Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[volbound1700]

Well even as I pointed out, there are differences even in the Clones such as weight class, size, and a few moves here and there that are different so it is not like is entirely the same experience. The clones in Melee didn't bother me one bit so I don't understand the logic.

I would rather keep all the Vets than get a new character and have cuts in the series for Smash 4.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Now that I think of it, All Stars Mode is going to be painful with these 45-50 characters.

 

[volbound1700]

Thanks Shortie. I voted for more then one character, I assume you could. I saw a poll similar to it on here but I had never been to that site to vote.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Now that I think of it, All Stars Mode is going to be painful with these 45-50 characters.

Adds to the longevity of the game, and it would be fun

 

[Oasis_S]

I was playing Brawl last night, and the long loading times are really painful. ESPECIALLY in modes like All-Star. I assume that'll be fixed though.

 

[Big-Cat]

Saying that adds longevity to the game is like saying loading times add longevity to the game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I think a character should be competent first and original second. Being original does not always translates to being a competent threat, as such having something that works should be a first priority. I mean Marth isn't anything flashy, but the character works because the moves and attributes compliment each other, which is why the character works very well in both Melee and Brawl. Not saying we should abandon being original and make everyone a clone of each other, but going with good synergy should always be the first step.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just confused by the entire idea... I don't get it, I can't comprehend such passion for a fictional character, and this is coming from a 4channer who has to deal with hardcore waifufags.

Nobody answered my question, that's the worst part. How come your wish can't be fullfilled with a mod or a costume considering your ok with the getting in as clones.

All I ask for is an answer as to.me it seems illogical. If people simply wanted 'a new game' they would be ok with the roster and only be mildly disappointed if their top pic didn't get in. They would instead place gameplay above all else. But that's clearly not the case around here

 

[Frostwraith]

Manly still being so serious made me do this...

All characters in red are secret characters. Besides Magikarp, they're all clones.

Ganondorf is still a C. Falcon clone and the only clone not being adjacent either to the original base used for the clone or to one of the clone companions.

And I said the clone word as many times as I could because I cloned the word clone.

Ctrl+C -> Ctrl+V

 

[BluePikmin11]

Oh ****
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/team-meat-wants-nintendo-to-put-meat-boy-in-smash-bros/
Meat Boy in Super Smash Bros.
Is it worth it?

 

[Shorts]

You seem to be very into fighting games Manly, so I understand where you're coming from. I love the playstyle differences for EACH character in BB. (Their designs are gorgeous as well) BUT, Smash isn't like most fighting games. Characters have previous games from various genres of Nintendo franchises. We all have past experiences with these newcomers. We LIKE characters not for who they COULD be in Smash, but for who they ARE within their own series, ya know? There's more to the addition of Smash characters than just unique movesets.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

That should be fixed soon since the Wii U has even more horsepower. BTW What character themes ( the songs that play when you clear Classic Mode and All Star Mode) would you want for the newcomers? Here's a few examples:

Palutena: Kid Icarus Uprising Intro
Takamaru: Douchoumen
Pac Man: Namco Medley
King K. Rool: Gangplank Galleon
Shulk: Mechanical Rhythm
Ghirahim: Ghirahim's Theme
Ridley: Ridley's Theme
Mewtwo: Mewtwo Battle (Pokemon Stadium)
Roy: Roy's Hope

 

[Deleted member]

You seem to be very into fighting games Manly, so I understand where you're coming from. I love the playstyle differences for EACH character in BB. (Their designs are gorgeous as well) BUT, Smash isn't like most fighting games. Characters have previous games from various genres of Nintendo franchises. We all have past experiences with these newcomers. We LIKE characters not for who they COULD be in Smash, but for who they ARE within their own series, ya know? There's more to the addition of Smash characters than just unique movesets.

Alright, I may not agree with that mentality, but I at least get where most of you are coming from. Thanks for giving me a sensible answer.

 

[Oasis_S]

@Murnly: I don't think I'm the type you're addressing, BUT STILL, since I think you're in the Kuma Camp (Camp Kuma? I dunno which sounds better), I don't see how you're so fixated on the gameplay. I mean, Kuma would go on and on about what could be done with Smash, mostly awful things. Do you expect there to be drastic changes to it? While the changes in gameplay with each installment have been noticeable, I wouldn't really call them major or... well really anything close to "exciting." I think most here would agree that there's nothing much to get excited about, especially MORE excited about than characters, when it comes to gameplay changes.

There's hardly anything one could even predict for that kind of thing. Just, I dunno, who would go around like "WOOO YEAH CAN'T WAIT TO JUMP OUT OF ROLLS." Not that gameplay isn't important and the changes that WILL INEVITABLY OCCUR are meaningless, just I don't think that really gets most people GOIN'.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Saying that adds longevity to the game is like saying loading times add longevity to the game.

More characters to play as = More choices to pick from

 

[peeup]

I think a character should be competent first and original second. Being original does not always translates to being a competent threat, as such having something that works should be a first priority. I mean Marth isn't anything flashy, but the character works because the moves and attributes compliment each other, which is why the character works very well in both Melee and Brawl. Not saying we should abandon being original and make everyone a clone of each other, but going with good synergy should always be the first step.

I respectfully disagree. Marth operates very well in both Melee and Brawl in the sense that he is a good character. But considering 90% of his moveset could be described by "Marth swings his sword," I would rather have an interesting, original character. Not to say I don't love Marth. I do. But I believe that a character should be original first and competent second.

Examples: (and these are completely subjective mind you, I totally get it if you 100% disagree with everything I'm saying.

Pichu: He was the epitome of a character who is not competent. And while he was not the epitome of a character who is totally original, I really, really liked the concept of him hurting himself on attacks. It gave the kinda put a twist on the whole risk/reward thing in the sense that you don't have to be punished by the opponent for it to be a failed attack. Very personal choice, I just love Pichu.

Metaknight: He's the opposite, he's 100% competent but not very original. While boasting a badass design and personality, his attacks are fairly generic, as is the unfortunate effect of being a swordsman. His gottagofast beat down mentality is cool, but much more interestingly implemented via Sonic, who is much less competent, but also a much more engaging character in my opinion.

My two cents. Totally subjective, but those are my thoughts.

 

[Frostwraith]

Pichu was supposed to be a joke character... that's why he's pathetically weak.

 

[volbound1700]

Alright, I may not agree with that mentality, but I at least get where most of you are coming from. Thanks for giving me a sensible answer.

Manly,

Part of the reason I want Prince Fluff, Skull Kid, or Megaman is because of their potentially unique movesets. An Epic Yarn style move set sounds interesting to me. So does a MM style play set with different Masks.

Also Megaman has an assortment of moves to pull from. Another good option is Bowser Jr with his Paint brush. Also Little Mac would give us the first true boxer character for the game.

 

[peeup]

Pichu was supposed to be a joke character... that's why he's pathetically weak.

...not at all the point of anything that I said. And I know he was. And that was partly why he was so much fun to play.

 

[volbound1700]

More Themes

Megaman: Theme for beating boss on Megaman 2

Little Mac: Rocky Theme.... jk... boxing victory theme.

 

[Deleted member]

@Murnly: I don't think I'm the type you're addressing, BUT STILL, since I think you're in the Kuma Camp (Camp Kuma? I dunno which sounds better), I don't see how you're so fixated on the gameplay. I mean, Kuma would go on and on about what could be done with Smash, mostly awful things. Do you expect there to be drastic changes to it? While the changes in gameplay with each installment have been noticeable, I wouldn't really call them major or... well really anything close to "exciting." I think most here would agree that there's nothing much to get excited about, especially MORE excited about than characters, when it comes to gameplay changes.

There's hardly anything one could even predict for that kind of thing. Just, I dunno, who would go around like "WOOO YEAH CAN'T WAIT TO JUMP OUT OF ROLLS." Not that gameplay isn't important and the changes that WILL INEVITABLY OCCUR are meaningless, just I don't think that really gets most people GOIN'.

Well this is a problem with Nintendo as company or rather the game industry as a whole, the Japanese industry where very few companies dare to venture from what work. And when they DO innovate it is not usually in the right direction. Rather than having an artistic vision, most settle for extending their reach, and thus make more profit. Under these conditions it is normal to desire change in the positive direction. Camp 'Kuma' is larger than you make it out to be. It is made of gamers that have ideas and are tired of a stagnating industry. People who understand that by making people see wghat they see, they can create change. We don't freverently argue for a better game becauseit's what we're excited for. We do it because we KNOW that if we stay quiet, things will only get worse.

I think Skyward Sword, Brawl, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age, CnC and many others are testaments of our concern.

Perhaps it's the typical "I could do.better" attitude, but I feel it's well founded.

 

[Oasis_S]

Perhaps it's the typical "I could do.better" attitude, but I feel it's well founded.

Just laughable.

ALSO I AM SORRY KUMA IT'S JUST YOU'RE THE MOST VOCAL AND FREQUENT GUY LIKE THAT AROUND HERE, DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE I'M PICKING ON YOU PERSONALLY. So I guess I'll just say YOU PEOPLE are misguided.


It'd be really cool though if some people with the know-how could get some kind of kickstarter going and create the ideal competitive Smash (with an all original cast of course).

 

[Deleted member]

Just laughable.

ALSO I AM SORRY KUMA IT'S JUST YOU'RE THE MOST VOCAL AND FREQUENT GUY LIKE THAT AROUND HERE, DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE I'M PICKING ON YOU PERSONALLY. So I guess I'll just say YOU PEOPLE are misguided.


It'd be really cool though if some people with the know-how could get some kind of kickstarter going and create the ideal competitive Smash (with an all original cast of course).

It would be, and it IS possible. We'll just have to wait and see. It IS the most logical option at this point.

 

[Shorts]

Okay, out of all the biggest female characters of Nintendo that have a chance of being in Smash (Peach, Zelda, Samus, Dixie, Palutena, Krystal)

Three of them are in Smash, and only one of them has shown physical combat skills. (Samus) Yet, Palutena, Dixie, and Krystal are all three combat-ready, and adventure-ready characters. Silly if you think about it.

I want all these characters in, pretty badly o.o

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I want none of them in. Well, I wouldn't mind Dixie that much. I don't exceptionally want her though

 

[BKupa666]

Ugh, I almost want Sakurai to just deconfirm third party characters right out of the gate to shut up all these snooty developers who go out of their way to namedrop Smash in interviews and project such a sense of entitlement. "It would just be the -greatest- thing for our IP to be in Smash" *wink wink, nudge nudge*

He can then reveal Snake, Sonic and Megaman late in development so that can be his alibi for not taking on more of them.

 

[Oasis_S]

The idea of Palutena fighting physically is just gross. Which is why it really annoys me when people equate her to Krystal. Highly doubt they would be similar at all. It wouldn't be fitting for a goddess to appear to be fighting with so much effort. ...Yeah. Effortless power. That sounds about right for how she would work.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I thought she'd work as a mage-like fighter, not unlike Zelda?

Effortless power would make her uneligible to Smash...

 

[ChronoBound]

You seem to be very into fighting games Manly, so I understand where you're coming from. I love the playstyle differences for EACH character in BB. (Their designs are gorgeous as well) BUT, Smash isn't like most fighting games. Characters have previous games from various genres of Nintendo franchises. We all have past experiences with these newcomers. We LIKE characters not for who they COULD be in Smash, but for who they ARE within their own series, ya know? There's more to the addition of Smash characters than just unique movesets.

You wrote this a while ago, but you are on fire today.

Anyway, I just got done entering the AR code for F-Zero AX. The best racing game of all time just got even better. I really love it how people find things in games so long after their release.

 

[---]

Personally I always thought she'd playout similar to Sophitia/Cassandra/Pyrrha/Patroklos from Soul Calibur mixed with various attacks from her boss fights for Special Attacks. A fierce but graceful style and whatnot.

Effortless power? Could just do what we always do and nerf the hell out of her like we've done with Ganondorf and Mewtwo.

 

[Oasis_S]

Nah, mine's better.

And if she so desires to spawn an army of Meta Knights then who are you to question her will.

@Tryphen: Yeah she'll probably turn out about as well but that's okay.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Palutena should only use the staff for smashes in my opinion.

And Waluigi is rising on the poll again...

 

[peeup]

Did she use the staff for physical attacks in KI:U? I know nothing about the game.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Palutena should only use the staff for smashes in my opinion.

And Waluigi is rising on the poll again...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Isaac isn't going down without a fight.

 

[Shorts]

The idea of Palutena fighting physically is just gross. Which is why it really annoys me when people equate her to Krystal. Highly doubt they would be similar at all. It wouldn't be fitting for a goddess to appear to be fighting with so much effort. ...Yeah. Effortless power. That sounds about right for how she would work.

IF they both were in Smash, and Krystal wasn't a clone they would be much different. Palutena's staff seems to be more of a magical staff, while Krystal's is a physical staff. Really the argument that they would be similar is just like the "swordsmen all play the same" type arguments. Plus, they both have different things to pull from. One has Dinos and guns the other has angel boys light magic. Heck, even if somehow they added these two AND Caeda/Ephraim, they have the potential to play completely different from Krystal and Palutena as well.

Oh yeah, Waluigi is going to do that. It's only because of 4chan. Just ignore him. I have 40 votes to 1000, and, I'm wondering who will hit 100 votes first, Mona or Bandana Dee? I also wanna know who will hit 200 first, Krystal, Goroh, Zoroark, or Toad.

 

[ChronoBound]

Okay, out of all the biggest female characters of Nintendo that have a chance of being in Smash (Peach, Zelda, Samus, Dixie, Palutena, Krystal)

Three of them are in Smash, and only one of them has shown physical combat skills. (Samus) Yet, Palutena, Dixie, and Krystal are all three combat-ready, and adventure-ready characters. Silly if you think about it.

I want all these characters in, pretty badly o.o

Sakurai: I am pretty sure Toon Zelda belongs on that list.

 

[Shorts]

Sakurai: I am pretty sure Toon Zelda belongs on that list.

The truth is, I would not be suprised to see her added. My only hope would be that Diddy is right, and Toon Shiek was some idiotic way to say Tetra. Which it isn't, and we know it. >.<

 

[Opossum]

Imagine Diddy's face if they add a Toon Sheik

 

[ChronoBound]

The truth is, I would not be suprised to see her added. My only hope would be that Diddy is right, and Toon Shiek was some idiotic way to say Tetra. Which it isn't, and we know it. >.<

That would make Toon Sheik the first original Smash character as a playable. I don't think he will ever revisit Toon Sheik though.

Sakurai: I was browsing some Western forums to get an idea on what my Western fans wanted for Smash 4, and I saw many things, however, one thing in particular that stood out in my mind was this user named Diddy Kong whose favorite character seemed to be Sheik. Now I don't know what he was particularly saying about Sheik, but since he kept bringing him up all the time, I think she must be like his favorite character. I thought it was funny that a user named Diddy Kong liked Sheik so much. So, I've been thinking, Sheik must be so great an addition, I should not only bring Sheik back (I originally had Impa planned), but I should bring back my idea of Toon Sheik. I hope I made that Diddy Kong very happy. *laughs