Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[FalKoopa]

What's the general topic at the moment?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

What's the general topic at the moment?

Cuts, cuts, and more cuts. We need to move on.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'll says NO to cuts!

 

[Croph]

Blegh, this mushy talk is starting to make me gag.

Oh dear, would you like me to hold a bucket for you just in case? I think I have one in the basement...hold on. *Runs off*

I'm not sure what the topic is as well. Talking about cuts makes me uncomfortable. But I'm sure I'll be understanding (most likely time restrains) if they do happen.

 

[ChronoBound]

One thing I am hoping Sakurai answers after the E3 unveil is whether there will be DLC (particularly DLC characters). If there is, I think any characters that could get pushed out due to time constraints (like with Brawl) would eventually get in due to DLC.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I wonder, what characters would make it in as DLC?

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

Shame on Sakurai if he decides to cut Ike out. He fights for his friends.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

One thing I am hoping Sakurai answers after the E3 unveil is whether there will be DLC (particularly DLC characters). If there is, I think any characters that could get pushed out due to time constraints (like with Brawl) would eventually get in due to DLC.

I'll bee looking forward to that too since there would be no more excuses on why a character can't make it in a la Forbidden 7.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm seriously hoping for DLC. They'll miss out a perfect opportunity if they don't.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Starphoenix mentioned a while back that I'm not a fan of Fire Emblem characters in the Super Smash Bros. franchise, and he's right. I find the idea of Fire Emblem characters in the Super Smash Bros. to be pretty uninspiring and dull. The only character from the franchise that sparks interest is Marth, while other characters are more flimsy options. In general, a lot of characters feel easily disposable.

 

[Croph]

Regarding DLC, I'm definitely hoping for it. What I don't want is them holding back characters (assuming they'll be DLC characters) for the sake of DLC (especially if you have to pay for them). If characters don't make it in due to time restrains/priority I understand, but it's up to the individual to believe/trust in a company. And I do believe that Nintendo is fairly trustworthy with it's DLC. Heck, even Iwata said, "And one thing Nintendo has determined as a company policy, what we are not going to do is create a full game and then say, 'let's hold this back for DLC.' That's not our plan. We're definitely not doing that".

But anyway, it's all right if you don't like certain characters in Smash. Honestly, I find ROB pretty boring as well as the Mario cast a bit uninspiring. But that's just my opinion, I do really love everyone in the end.

 

[Frostwraith]

Iwata has admitted that they could make lots of profit, had they made paid DLC for Animal Crossing: New Leaf... but instead, they made the DLC free.

Nintendo has to be the less money-hungry company compared to other companies (but, they also have their faults).

 

[SmashChu]

I think Lucario is safe so long as Pokemon gets five slots. Zoroark never caught on, and is now old news (heck, at this point Lucario is being promoted more by The Pokemon Company than Zoroark is), and Mewtwo is getting a big revival instead of another anthropomorphic Pokemon showing up.

Even during the discussion here, Zoroark came up because he was the last Pokemon promoted. Not because people liked him. I'm less sure of him. Heck, maybe this would be the first game with no new Pokemon character.

And I agree with you Fallkoppa on DLC and cuts. Good man!

 

[Starphoenix]

As I've mentioned in the past, I'm not a big fan of the Pokémon. However, the Fire Emblem cast are usually my favorite. Ike and Marth are probably my most utilized characters in Brawl.

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

IMO the Fire Emblem games should really just stick with one main protagonist(s) for the series then rather introducing a new one every one or two games. That way, the characters have a chance to establish themselves.

 

[Frostwraith]

IMO the Fire Emblem games should really just stick with one main protagonist(s) for the series then rather introducing a new one every one or two games. That way, the characters have a chance to establish themselves.

Someone hasn't played enough JRPGs...

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

The only RPGS I play are the main Pokémon games, let me be.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't mind Pokemon considering the franchise opens up more opportunities for movesets, but at the same time I don't like how oversized it feels.

For the record, I'm all for the Kirby series believe it or not. But at the moment what I want to see the most for the next game is for Kid Icarus to be expanded more.

 

[Big-Cat]

Iwata has admitted that they could make lots of profit, had they made paid DLC for Animal Crossing: New Leaf... but instead, they made the DLC free.

Nintendo has to be the less money-hungry company compared to other companies (but, they also have their faults).

More like they're looking at the long term. They've seen the effects of microtransations in other games along with the reception of them so they want to avoid running into that. What seems to be the case is that they will either make the DLC for their games free (Animal Crossing) or will give more than a bang for the people's buck (New Super Luigi). The only exception so far appears to be Awakening, BUT I almost feel like Awakening was partially a DLC experiment.

 

[Frostwraith]

More like they're looking at the long term. They've seen the effects of microtransations in other games along with the reception of them so they want to avoid running into that. What seems to be the case is that they will either make the DLC for their games free (Animal Crossing) or will give more than a bang for the people's buck (New Super Luigi). The only exception so far appears to be Awakening, BUT I almost feel like Awakening was partially a DLC experiment.

FE: Awakening was the first Nintendo game to have DLC. And that was a decision that was made later in that game's development.

I don't know if this is true, but I heard that Sakurai would've made DLC for Brawl if the Wii supported it.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Technically speaking, Pokemon games have been doing DLC long before Fire Emblem: Awakening.

Also, there is the Satellaview from the Super Famicom.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I love nintendo when it comes to the ethical parts of gaming. They don't release games unfinished (game breaking bugs and glitches), they're against DLC that belongs in the game and they always keep to originality to keep things fresh and different.

 

[Starphoenix]

I don't mind Pokemon considering the franchise opens up more opportunities for movesets, but at the same time I don't like how oversized it feels.

For the record, I'm all for the Kirby series believe it or not. But at the moment what I want to see the most for the next game is for Kid Icarus to be expanded more.

Oversized isn't my problem, I just don't like the way they play. That's been pretty consistent for every title to date.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I could easily see Pit's conversations with various Kid Icarus characters (Palutena, Viridi, and Hades) replacing the codecs.

As could I, not that they would have the same kind of charm as Snake's. If I was a big time Metal Gear fan though, I'd be pissed that they not only cut Snake but replaced his codecs with some knockoff.

Habanero what..? Sonic can't leave cause his moveset was done crappy in Brawl, yet Mewtwo absolutely cannot return cause he'll have a crappy moveset like in Melee according to you? Are you just extremely biased or not?

That kind of bias is just painful and cancerous.

 

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Only series in Smash that I'm not a fan of would be Zelda and DK. Don't really like either series to begin with and I find their movesets bar DK, Toon Link, and Melee Link to be boring.

Am fine with Pokemon's size and I enjoy most of the movesets, though I will admit Jigglypuff stands out a bit. Only real series I want to see stay the same would be Mario and Zelda, mostly in part because I feel they're complete.

Technically speaking, Pokemon games have been doing DLC long before Fire Emblem: Awakening.

On-cart DLC.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

IMO the Fire Emblem games should really just stick with one main protagonist(s) for the series then rather introducing a new one every one or two games. That way, the characters have a chance to establish themselves.

The game is sort of like Final Fantasy. For a while some people believed the games were completely unrelated, creating new worlds, lore and characters. But Awakening is bringing them together. Turns out they just take place on separate secluded continents.

 

[Deleted member]

@ChronoBound: I'm confident that Pokémon will get five slots. Mewtwo is the most wanted character, there's bound to be at least one addition (Mewtwo and/or a Pokémon newcomer) and Lucario is also very likely to return. Heck, we could even see six slots (although a much less likely possibility).

 

[Frostwraith]

The only RPGS I play are the main Pokémon games, let me be.

What I meant with that sarcastic comment is that, like Fire Emblem, most JRPGs tend to have different character casts per 1-3 (approx.) games. Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Tales and even some Nintendo ones like Fire Emblem and EarthBound. Even in the Pokémon games, this situation happens.

 

[FlareHabanero]

At this point every series is pretty much complete, as such I believe there should be a bigger focus on establishing new franchises instead of unnecessarily padding out existing veteran franchises.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

@ChronoBound: I'm confident that Pokémon will get five slots. Mewtwo is the most wanted character, there's bound to be at least one addition (Mewtwo and/or a Pokémon newcomer) and Lucario is also very likely to return. Heck, we could even see six slots (although a much less likely possibility).

Before brawl was released I was told the game had 40 characters. Turns out that includes people who have multiple characters within them. Thinking it that way, Pokemon already has 6 (which is cool cause that's the same size of a party in pokemon). 7 or 8 seems a bit much.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At this point every series is pretty much complete, as such I believe there should be a bigger focus on establishing new franchises instead of unnecessarily padding out existing veteran franchises.

Well. No Palutena then.

 

[FalKoopa]

At this point every series is pretty much complete, as such I believe there should be a bigger focus on establishing new franchises instead of unnecessarily padding out existing veteran franchises.

Most of them are, I'll say.
Metroid, DK, and (I think) Fire Emblem are the ones left to be complete..

 

[Starphoenix]

At this point every series is pretty much complete, as such I believe there should be a bigger focus on establishing new franchises instead of unnecessarily padding out existing veteran franchises.

Personally, I don't care about adding to existing series or adding new series. At this point it's about adding fun characters.

 

[Moon Monkey]

That's the real issue...we are running out of franchises to suggest for smash...for better or worse.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well. No Palutena then.

You seemed to have misread me. I said there would be a bigger focus on establishing new franchises onto the roster, not solely focus on them.

 

[FalKoopa]

The misread seems intentional.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You seemed to have misread me. I said there would be a bigger focus on establishing new franchises onto the roster, not solely focus on them.

You seemed to have misread me. That troll face was there for a reason.

 

[TheCreator]

I think DLC would be a bad business move if they plan to continue the series. Characters anyways. Maybe the ones that were cut, but whole new characters as DLC would be a different beast.

 

[BKupa666]

That's the real issue...we are running out of franchises to suggest for smash...for better or worse.

Not to mention, when so many small franchises exist, the jockeying to boost some above the others by putting their protagonists in Smash, regardless of who they are or what they have to offer, becomes quite contentious.

 

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Would rather see characters being chosen for being good characters that naturally fit into the frame of Smash (gameplay, balance, character, and character balance wise) rather than being chosen for the sake of meeting some status quo.