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[Diddy Kong]

Wasn't it for Melee between Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Urban Champion and Ice Climbers? Was this also ever proofed?

 

[ChronoBound]

I think Snake is the single most likely character not to return for Smash 4. The main reason Kojima even wanted Snake in Brawl was so that his son could play a game that had a character he created in it (since the MGS games are not appropriate for children). By now I would say Kojima's son is at least a teen.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wasn't it for Melee between Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Urban Champion and Ice Climbers? Was this also ever proofed?

Not that I'm aware of.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Teens like Smash though no?

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I think Snake is the single most likely character not to return for Smash 4. The main reason Kojima even wanted Snake in Brawl was so that his son could play a game that had a character he created in it (since the MGS games are not appropriate for children). By now I would say Kojima's son is at least a teen.

Weird reason to add or lose somebody...
As much as I think snake looks awkward and out of place in brawl it seems kind of bad to throw out a character with a unique set of moves without replacing him.

 

[Second Power]

Wasn't it for Melee between Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Urban Champion and Ice Climbers? Was this also ever proofed?

Sakurai posted reasons that he rejected the "considered" Urban Champion, Balloon Fighter, Bubbles, and Excite Bike for the spot. Cue me and Starphonix arguing whether these were good reasons.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Oh well, Snake was way too good anyway. Got to make sure everyone sucks except for Meta Knight.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Once you get past the double gimmick, ICs have nothing.

The fact that they're paired up isn't a "gimmick" because their entire playstyle is designed around the fact they are paired up, and it has been since the beginning. There's a difference between quirks that a character might have, and a gimmick; while they both can help seperate that character from the rest of the pack, gimmicks are largely useless and are only relevant when the novelty of being able to use that gimmick for the first few times is still there, whereas quirks a lot of times are synonymous with and even essential to the character they are associated, as is the case with characters like Olimar and the Ice Climbers in Smash

So I really don't understand the logic behind saying "Oh, without x or y, this character ain't ****", because under those conditions, you're taking away what makes the character who they are in the first place, therefore making your argument invalid. I'll even put it to you this way: would you be singing this same tune if Excite Biker instead of the Ice Climbers were playable, and his playstyle revolved around the use of his bike?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Oh well, Snake was way too good anyway. Got to make sure everyone sucks except for Meta Knight.

Diddy, Olimar and Ice Climbers > Snake.

 

[Fastblade5035]

I think Snake is the single most likely character not to return for Smash 4. The main reason Kojima even wanted Snake in Brawl was so that his son could play a game that had a character he created in it (since the MGS games are not appropriate for children). By now I would say Kojima's son is at least a teen.

Master Chief for Smash 4? Ew.

Actually, I don't really think anyone is in danger of getting cut. But thats coming from the guy that mains Link, so what do I know?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Master Chief, Goku, Cloud and Naruto.

Those suggestions pop up everytime, and everything I cringe about the thought.

 

[Second Power]

The fact that they're paired up isn't a "gimmick" because their entire playstyle is designed around the fact they are paired up, and it has been since the beginning. There's a difference between quirks that a character might have, and a gimmick; while they both can help seperate that character from the rest of the pack, gimmicks are largely useless and are only relevant when the novelty of being able to use that gimmick is still there, whereas quirks a lot of times are synonymous with and even essential to the character they are associated, as is the case with characters like Olimar and the Ice Climbers

So I really don't understand the logic behind saying "Oh, without x or y, this character ain't ****", because under those conditions, you're taking away what makes the character who they are in the first place, therefore making your argument invalid. I'll even put it to you this way: would you be singing this same tune if Excite Biker instead of the Ice Climbers were playable, and his playstyle revolved around the use of his bike?

I was refering less to actual gameplay and more towards reasons to include them in the first place. I.E. If it were simply Ice Climber in the original game, would the character be in Smash?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Master Chief, Goku, Cloud and Naruto.

Those suggestions pop up everytime, and everything I cringe about the thought.

Have I mentioned that humans are lacking in brain cells?

 

[ChronoBound]

Weird reason to add or lose somebody...
As much as I think snake looks awkward and out of place in brawl it seems kind of bad to throw out a character with a unique set of moves without replacing him.

Pico for Smash 4 then. He could easily take Snake's stuff.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Maybe. Probably not, but maybe.

What I do know is that Zelda would be playable without Sheik though.

 

[Shorts]

Really, I do not like third party characters one bit. Good riddance if Snake does end up leaving. Just, why have Raiden in PSBA instead of Snake? Honestly. We got Heihachi, who is the mascot of his franchise. Why not Snake?

 

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I think Snake is the single most likely character not to return for Smash 4. The main reason Kojima even wanted Snake in Brawl was so that his son could play a game that had a character he created in it (since the MGS games are not appropriate for children). By now I would say Kojima's son is at least a teen.

Kojima's a responsible parent, we're not going to be able to get rid of Snake until Smash 5 or 6.

Yeah I'd agree with that. I still think he has shot at getting in, and fit in fairly well by playing off the humorous side of Metal Gear, only time will tell. Also please let it be Old Snake should he return.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Pico for Smash 4 then. He could easily take Snake's stuff.

Nah, let's just give em to Slippy

Neva gonna happen since Microsoft is Nintendo's rival and he can't appear in a Nintendo or Sony published video game. Embarrass

Thank Hylia.

Really, I do not like third party characters one bit. Good riddance if Snake does end up leaving. Just, why have Raiden in PSBA instead of Snake? Honestly. We got Heihachi, who is the mascot of his franchise. Why not Snake?

When I first saw that, I was pretty much certain that Snake would return. GAMING IS A CONSPIRACY! SAKURAI HAD THE ROSTER PLANNED ALL THIS TIME!11

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Actually, I don't really think anyone is in danger of getting cut. But thats coming from the guy that mains Link, so what do I know?

Master Chief for Smash 4? Ew.

Actually, I don't really think anyone is in danger of getting cut. But thats coming from the guy that mains Link, so what do I know?

Neva gonna happen since Microsoft is Nintendo's rival and he can't appear in a Nintendo or Sony published video game. Embarrass

 

[ChronoBound]

I personally would not want to see Sonic go, but I would understand if he leaves.

Seriously though, if Sakurai announced Brawl's third-party characters are not returning, I am starting up a Pico support thread.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

If Snake was gone, not sure what I would miss more between him and the codecs.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'd miss the codecs more

I was refering less to actual gameplay and more towards reasons to include them in the first place. I.E. If it were simply Ice Climber in the original game, would the character be in Smash?

Point still stands either way

 

[ChronoBound]

If Snake was gone, not sure what I would miss more between him and the codecs.

I could easily see Pit's conversations with various Kid Icarus characters (Palutena, Viridi, and Hades) replacing the codecs.

 

[Fastblade5035]

And Little Mac and Doc Louis!

 

[Diddy Kong]

If Snake leaves, please let him take Sonic wih him.

 

[Fastblade5035]

If Snake leaves, please let him take Sonic wih him.

And Jigglypuff.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I could easily see Pit's conversations with various Kid Icarus characters (Palutena, Viridi, and Hades) replacing the codecs.

I like the way you think, Chrono. Imagine Hades insulting villains like Bowser and Ganondorf for their constant failures.

 

[Second Power]

And Jigglypuff.

Replaced with Wigglytuff from PMD: Explorers.

YOOOOOM-TAAAAH!

 

[Metal Overlord]

Nah, Jiggs stays

Speaking of codecs, I would love to see Professor Oak have some codecs for some reason

 

[Deleted member]

For a bike moveset, it's not like the entire thing has to be bike based attacks. You could throw in a few punches, but primarily use stuff like donuts and wheelies for attacks. Pinning a good playstyle for them is a bit difficult, but hey, ICs' probably had the same problem.

If you want a Bike user why not go for Mach Rider instead? He lends himself much more to the type of moveset you suggest, also he has weapons at his disposal and would make a good rival for Falcon.

This is where looking at movesets first pays off, between Mach Rider and Excite Biker, who is the better option? I think that answer is evident if you look at moveset potential. So now I ask the question, why are you fixated on Excite Biker then? Are you really looking at what would make a fun game, or are you trying to placate some innate senseless wish-fulfillment. Ask yourself this question, I don't mean it as criticism, I'm just trying to get you to think in a different way.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I would be a little peeved at Sonic in particular because of his moveset not getting the improvements it deserves. Sonic is one of those characters that has potential but never achieved it. But at the same time, I do understand why it would happen. Guest characters don't stay for long in video games, especially when the game in question is a Nintendo crossover.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Sonic and Snake must stay. I love to play as them, especially Snake.

 

[ChronoBound]

I like the way you think, Chrono. Imagine Hades insulting villains like Bowser and Ganondorf for their constant failures.

The return of Hades would be a killer app in it of itself.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Cranky Kong codecs would be the best thing ever.

Habanero what..? Sonic can't leave cause his moveset was done crappy in Brawl, yet Mewtwo absolutely cannot return cause he'll have a crappy moveset like in Melee according to you? Are you just extremely biased or not?

 

[Fastblade5035]

Replaced with Wigglytuff from PMD: Explorers.

YOOOOOM-TAAAAH!

Wigglytuff for assist trophey.

Doc Louis, Prof. Oak, Hades, and Cranky Codecs FTW!

 

[lobotheduck21]

And Little Mac and Doc Louis!

How has anybody not thought of this tell now

You get the lobotheduck emblem of approval (body of a duck, head of a wolf)

 

[Starphoenix]

So, because Balloon Fighter and Excite Biker are completely original, they can't get an interesting moveset?

No, but they obviously did not offer anything that interested Sakurai. Looking at the Ice Climbers, I think he made the best decision.

You missed the question. This isn't about Sakurai, it's about the fans. Will the fans accept random characters for the sake of gimmicks? Should we expect Son Goku because of this? (Not the anime character, there's a support thread for him somewhere on this board)

I answered the question. While Sakurai respects the fans wishes, he is autonomous in his position as director to do what he wants -- or as I said last night, give fans what they don't know they want. There is an old saying in the sports community, "if you start listening to the fans, you'll soon be sitting with them." This does not mean ignore fans and do whatever you feel like, but what it does mean is that a coach (or director) should have the ability to do what they think is best for their team (or game). The key is balance, and Sakurai has done that. If you have a personal issue with Sakurai's selection, well, there isn't much to do at this point.

I meant excluding a character from getting the same treatment in Smash as everyone else. And, again, all you've given me is hammer and fights in pairs. Dedede had a hammer, didn't keep him from missing the bench mark twice. Once you get past the double gimmick, ICs have nothing.

Sakurai thought differently.

If I recall, there was no "competition" between Pit, Ice Climbers, and Balloon Fighter. It was simply another rumor made up.

Not pit, but Ice Climbers and Balloon Fighter were "in competition" so to speak. That part is fact.

I don't understand Japanese, what exactly was said at the end of the trailer that hints at a new form?

As taken from Serebii:

"The text at the end enigmatically states that we don't know the REAL Mewtwo yet."

 

[Fastblade5035]

How has anybody not thought of this tell now

You get the lobotheduck emblem of approval (body of a duck, head of a wolf)

Actually, I remember that somewhere here. It was a while ago, though, but I loved the idea.

Can I keep the emblem?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I would be a little peeved at Sonic in particular because of his moveset not getting the improvements it deserves. Sonic is one of those characters that has potential but never achieved it. But at the same time, I do understand why it would happen. Guest characters don't stay for long in video games, especially when the game in question is a Nintendo crossover.

I know right? His moveset should have been like Super Smash Flash 2's, where he has some useful attacks and not too many Spin Dashes (Side and Down Special) like in Brawl.

 

[Metal Overlord]

If Cranky Kong got codecs, I swear to God, I would fall to my knees and cry out of pure joy lol

Cranky Kong should be in every game