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Never heard of that...

Do you have a source? (Not questioning you, I just want to read for myself, I love unused data in games)

Perhaps Starfy was the series, but then why would Sakurai state that no characters after Pikmin would work?

I'm confused...
Step 1: Turn on Brawl
Step 2: Go to Trophies
Step 3: Set layout to "Type" instead of "Series"
Step 4: Go to the section that is called "Fighter Related"
Step 5: Look through until you see Stapy.
Step 6: If you did not get the Stapy trophy, get it first.
 

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It's not the only odd placement. Dr. Mario's Chill theme is under NES music.
Though when you think about it, the two songs are not listed under Mario songs in Brawl's Sound Test either, but under "Nintendo".
That would mean that Dr. Mario series would qualify as its own series... Perhaps there was a Doctor Mario stage that was intended to go along with Doc, but once Doc was removed, they saw no reason to have it.
 

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Thinking about Olimar Jr./Olimarette, we have gone a very long time without any new Pikmin 3 information. That game is supposedly a few months away from release, and we still know barely anything about it.
I'm still waiting for the official Pink Pikmin reveal. If there happen to be more besides Rock and Pink, I will be surprised.

That would mean that Dr. Mario series would qualify as its own series... Perhaps there was a Doctor Mario stage that was intended to go along with Doc, but once Doc was removed, they saw no reason to have it.
That's reading a little too much into it, even for my tastes. Dr. Mario has always been considered a retro title, so it is not that far of a stretch. The sports song just seems odd when the Mario RPG and Mario Kart tracks fall under Mario's group.
 

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Also, V is missing too.
Since that comes after Sonic, that may have been placeholder for another 3rd Party in case one was added.
V could have been assigned for music from Smash 64 since it's right before Melee and Brawl, but after all the franchise music.

Sonic (U)
Smash 64 (V)
Melee (W)
Brawl (X)
 
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Then that wouldn't explain the missing Victory Theme.
Like the missing series, there is a missing Victory Theme that cannot be explained. It also cannot be Doc, as while his is missing, his would be inbetween Roy and Toon Link, as shown here:
Z01-Mario
Z02-Donkey Kong
Z03-Link
Z04-Samus
Z05-Yoshi
Z06-Kirby
Z07-Fox
Z08-Pikachu
Z09-Luigi (UNUSED)
Z10-Captain Falcon
Z11-Ness
Z12-Bowser (UNUSED)
Z13-Peach (UNUSED)
Z14-Zelda (UNUSED)
Z15-Sheik (UNUSED)
Z16-Ice Climbers
Z17-Marth
Z18-Mr. Game & Watch
Z19-Falco (UNUSED)
Z20-Ganondorf (UNUSED)
Z21-Wario
Z22-Meta Knight
Z23-Pit
Z24-Zero Suit Samus (UNUSED)
Z25-Olimar
Z26-Lucas (UNUSED)
Z27-Diddy Kong (UNUSED)
Z28-Pokemon Trainer (UNUSED)
Z29-MISSING (Going by Brawl data, this would be Charizard)
Z30-MISSING (Going by Brawl data, this would be Squirtle)
Z31-MISSING (Going by Brawl data, this would be Ivysaur)
Z32-King Dedede (UNUSED)
Z33-Lucario (UNUSED)
Z34-Ike (UNUSED)
Z35-R.O.B.
Z36-MISSING (Unknown)
Z37-Jigglypuff (UNUSED)
Z38-Mewtwo (UNUSED)
Z39-Roy (UNUSED)
Z40-MISSING (Because of placement, this would Dr. Mario)
Z41-Toon Link (UNUSED)
Z42-MISSING (Because of placement, this would be Wolf)
Z43-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z44-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z45-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z46-Snake
Z47-Sonic
Z48-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any 3rd Party after Sonic)
Z49-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any 3rd Party after Sonic)
Z50-Z58 are fanfares unrelated to characters.
 
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V could have been assigned for music from Smash 64 since it's right before Melee and Brawl, but after all the franchise music.
....That's already above Sonic.

EDIT: Aside from that, the one that is "Melee" on the list is actually the original versions of songs from Melee for the Melee stages and a few others. The one that is "Super Smash Bros" is the remixes of songs not debuting in Brawl under their original title (like the remix of 64's Credits) (other than the Master Hand theme, strangely enough).
"Brawl" is all the rest of the songs used for modes that don't have to do with the SSE (Other than Master Hand's theme, again.)
 

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That would mean that Dr. Mario series would qualify as its own series... Perhaps there was a Doctor Mario stage that was intended to go along with Doc, but once Doc was removed, they saw no reason to have it.
Dr. Mario stickers were also not grouped with the Mario series.
 

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Z36-Pichu (Unknown)
Z37-Jigglypuff (UNUSED)
Z38-Mewtwo (UNUSED)
Z39-Roy (UNUSED)
Z40-Dr. Mario (Because of placement, this would Dr. Mario)
Z41-Toon Link (UNUSED)
Z42-Toon Zelda
Z43-Toon Sheik
Z44-Dixie
Z45-Prai Mai
Z46-Snake
Z47-Sonic
Z48-Gray Fox
Z49-Shadow
Z50-Z58 are fanfares unrelated to characters.

Just throwing it out there for the heck of it. Please do not take this seriously.
 

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Z43-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z44-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z45-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
My guesses would be Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik, and Plusle & Minun. Dixie Kong might also have been one of them if Sakurai ever had any plans to make Dixie Kong her own character once the duo character idea did not work out.
 
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It really can't be the random box. It was in character data, not CSS data.

Though, I have a theory that "pra_mai" is the Animal Crossing Boy, though I'm going to need some time to gather my thoughts on that, tomorrow. Too tired now.

EDIT: @ Chrono: I really doubt that. Considering Wolf himself doesn't have one, its very likely that the four would have been placeholders for any non-guest Newcomer Sakurai could include after Toon Link, and Wolf managed to be the only one. While it could be for Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik, Dixie, etc. that's not to say that they were really set into it.
 

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I read somewhere that Pra Mai can't be Plusule & Minun because there should have been two files in that case, like Ice Climbers have separate files for Nana.

That probably means they were scrapped very early in development.
 
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One other thing that doesn't make sense about it being Plulse and Minun is that their Romanized names don't fit as "pra_mai".
Prasule and Minun (there's Pra, but no Mai)

Even in phonetic Japanese:
Purasuru and Mainun (there's Mai, but no Pra).

Second thing that doesn't make sense, is why are they Romanized to begin with? Mewtwo isn't "Myuutsu" in the data, nor is Lucario "Rukario", Charizard is "pokelizardon", not "pokerizadon", etc.
 

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Charizard should totally be renamed as Pokelizardon

It could be a partial rominization. They still have Pra and Mai between them
 

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They were talking about Mario's RPG's at IGN and I came to thinking.

Maybe some other Nintendo character should have an RPG.

I think the best choice would be Kirby
 

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Staaar! Unexpected to see you here (and to be honest, I've become now used to all this "off-topic" in this topic... maybe because it's a nice change of pace.

I still wonder what it could possible have been in at those empty slots. But we'll see. (Still theorizing Squirtle was on Starfy's place, hehehe)
 

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I do think people give Issac more credit then the character deserves, especially considering the stigma of not being worthy.
Here's my well thought opinion about this statement:

Bull****
 

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One other thing that doesn't make sense about it being Plulse and Minun is that their Romanized names don't fit as "pra_mai".
Prasule and Minun (there's Pra, but no Mai)

Even in phonetic Japanese:
Purasuru and Mainun (there's Mai, but no Pra).

Second thing that doesn't make sense, is why are they Romanized to begin with? Mewtwo isn't "Myuutsu" in the data, nor is Lucario "Rukario", Charizard is "pokelizardon", not "pokerizadon", etc.
Besides, if pra_mai is Plusle and Minun, why aren't they in their own files, like the Ice Climbers? This is also a good question to think about.

They were talking about Mario's RPG's at IGN and I came to thinking.

Maybe some other Nintendo character should have an RPG.

I think the best choice would be Kirby
Kirby RPG could work nicely. Another series I would like to see an RPG of would be Kid Icarus.
 

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Olimar Jr.? Olimarette? There's nothing about the new Pikmin protagonists that make them stand out from each other. I would rather have Louie as the second Pikmin rep. Seems appropriate...
 

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So maybe to get back on whatever topic we're supposed to be on, any comments on this roster I've been tossing the idea of around (Issac and Goroh are place holders, and I just guessed on 3rd parties):

Wow.. finally a list that I 100% agre--
*see's no Pac-man*
Wow.. finally a list that I 99% agree with!
 

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Just think if it weren't for Melee. Roy would never be as popular as he is right now. I mean his FE game isn't even that memorable, how many people do you see bring it up? It wasn't even released outside of Japan, there have been much better lords than Roy.
 

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Just think if it weren't for Melee. Roy would never be as popular as he is right now. I mean his FE game isn't even that memorable, how many people do you see bring it up? It wasn't even released outside of Japan, there have been much better lords than Roy.
Kinda disagree about his game being memorable. His appearance in Melee and Fire Emblem 6 marked the revival of the series in Japan. The series had no game since the SNES, and FE6 was the first GBA game. Sure, outside of Japan, the most memorable FE for GBA is FE7, but Roy's still very popular here to cause of Melee.

He seems most likely for a Lord character that's not recent at least. If we get 4 FE characters, I expect itmto be Roy.

@---: That roster would be perfect for me if it had Impa instead of Sheik. Good job though, agree with most other choices.
 

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Just think if it weren't for Melee. Roy would never be as popular as he is right now. I mean his FE game isn't even that memorable, how many people do you see bring it up? It wasn't even released outside of Japan, there have been much better lords than Roy.
It's really funny when people try to discredit Roy be saying "oh he's only popular because of Melee." You can make the same "argument" about Captian Falcon(and Ness and Lucas to an extent). It actually kinda reminds me of this.
 

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It reminds you of the worst comic book artist in history?
 

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It's really funny when people try to discredit Roy be saying "oh he's only popular because of Melee." You can make the same "argument" about Captian Falcon(and Ness and Lucas to an extent). It actually kinda reminds me of this.
Popularity is popularity. Trying to marginalize any character because it does not fit the mold decided by the community is not a strong enough reason.
 

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So, Mudkip is a legitimate contender?

'cause I her u like Mudkips
 

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I do not understand what you're getting at...
I was talking about the difference in the Romanization and the Hepburn transliteration
Examples:
English Hepburn Official
1. Charizard - Rizadon - Lizardon
2. Minun - Mainun - Minun
3. Lyn - Rin - Lin
 

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It reminds you of the worst comic book artist in history?
No: It reminds me of how people try to say that, despite for a time being incredibly popular, Liefeld somehow doesn't deserve or didn't earn said popularity. Regardless of what you think of his creative or artistic talents, the fact is his artwork/name sold MILLIONS of comics in the early nineties.

For the record, I'm not a fan of Liefelds art or his writing.
 
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