Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Scoliosis Jones]

SSB takes scale as a guideline. I'm guessing Pac-Man would be more around Mario height in any SSB4 appearance, I'm guessing. Maybe slightly shorter.

Yea I would probably agree with that. Any shorter than Mario and he would be a sort of awkward size, and any taller and he would be an...awkward size. If he would be any other size, it would have to be around Sonic's size honestly because he's only slightly taller than Mario.

 

[3Bismyname]

yeah with his long legs and big feet it would be weird if he was shorter than Mario, but it be even more odd if he was as tall as let's say Link

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Exactly. Kind of like this video I saw, where this guy messed around with the models of the characters, and stretched out Pikachu into Ganondorf's stance. I was truly frightened.

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

Not sure why, but recently I've been wanting Waluigi to be a playable character in the next smash.

 

[Lukingordex]

Waluigi has already been discussed.

 

[Opossum]

So has everything, really. Just be glad it's not another Fire Emblem discussion.

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

I never meant to bring up discussion of a character that was already discussed. I just wanted to show my interest for Waluigi getting into the game :I

 

[Lukingordex]

I never meant to bring up discussion of a character that was already discussed.

Them why you came to this thread?

This is what most people do here.

 

[Second Power]

In all fairness, there's OVER 9000!!! posts in this thread. Everything that hasn't been discussed at some point most likely doesn't exist yet. Though, Waluigi has been fairly recent, so maybe not best to bring him up again yet.

On another subject, which would be more preferable, a clone, or a blank roster space? If clones had to be added, who would you like to see?

 

[N3ON]

On another subject, which would be more preferable, a clone, or a blank roster space? If clones had to be added, who would you like to see?

I'd gladly take two or three semi-clones over nothing, however I probably wouldn't want any more than that. As for who I'd like to see as a semi-clone (that has a decent chance of possibly being a semi-clone), probably Bowser Jr, Dark Samus, Medusa, Dixie Kong, and Roy. Of course Jr and Dixie could be original, and there's a good chance they would be, but semi-cloning is also a possibility if they're last-minute or on the chopping block. I'm guessing Dark Samus and Medusa wouldn't get in unless they were semi-clones, but of course they also have the potential to be original. And Roy is Roy, but I suppose Chrom could also be a semi-clone though.

 

[Diddy Kong]

LLA clones are fine with me.

Meaning: Late Luigified Additions. As Wolf and Toon Link where.

Characters I'd like to see as LLA are:

-Roy (main reason I thought of LLA)
-Additional F Zero racer
-Pichu & Raichu
-Blastoise
-Anthony Higgs
-Dixie Kong (if she doesn't make it otherwise)
-Impa (if she doesn't make it otherwise and Sheik is kept)
-Bowser Jr.
-Chrom (if he doesn't make it otherwise and Ike is kept)

Then again, if clones could be done right, and give us about 10 other characters I'm cool with it as long as the clones make sence (aka, not Ganondorf).

 

[Arcadenik]

Donkey Kong Jr. = clone of Donkey Kong, is smaller, faster, and slightly weaker than Donkey Kong

Fusion Suit Samus = clone of Melee Samus, uses ice-based moves, doesn't become Zero Suit Samus after using Final Smash

Louie = clone of Olimar, is slightly bigger, heavier, stronger, and slower than Olimar, uses Rock Pikmin and new Pikmin whereas Olimar uses the old Pikmin from Brawl

Plusle & Minun = clones of Pikachu, essentially two Pichu as a team, electric moves don't hurt them when they are together and hurt them when they are separate

If I'm being desperate...

Toad = semi-clone of Mario and Luigi, specials are Iceballs (Mario), Toad Torpedo (Luigi), Super Jump Punch (Mario), and Shroom Storm (Luigi), Mystery Spores (Luigi), the spores cause opponents to fall asleep or get poisoned or shrink into tiny size or temporarily transform into mushrooms (Super Mario RPG)

 

[SmashShadow]

Personally I'd rather a blank space because I feel that if a character gets in they deserve their own moveset otherwise it just undermines what the character can do. Though I'm fine with the semi-clones we have because they all make sense(outside of Ganon) due to them having basically the same actions within their games. Mario/Luigi pretty much always did the same things and starfox characters in general did too. Although I don't find this as an excuse for clone final smashes. I'm fine with semi-clones(that make sense) just not full blown clones.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Waluigi hasn't been a special character to me, he's only been in sports and party games. He hasn't shown off what can he really do, the only way Waluigi is going to be in SSB4 is if Sakurai can make a moveset for him that will make him unique.

 

[Gamingboy]

Exactly. Kind of like this video I saw, where this guy messed around with the models of the characters, and stretched out Pikachu into Ganondorf's stance. I was truly frightened.

I remember that too. Truly horrifying.

 

[~automatic]

On another subject, which would be more preferable, a clone, or a blank roster space? If clones had to be added, who would you like to see?

I could go either way. In an ideal world characters would be fully and uniquely thought and worked out. However, with late additions (like Wolf) a move set or character has to be reworked for an additional character inclusion.

To me clones are like little extras we get.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I always said Waluigi should be a half clone of both Luigi and Wario.

If we have reasonable ammount of unique character newcomers I don't think clones are that bad. As long as all fan favorites make it and the clones are not really stupid (Roy, Young Link, Pichu >>> Dr.Mario, Captain Ganondorf)

 

[Gamingboy]

I always said Waluigi should be a half clone of both Luigi and Wario.

And his final Smash, as I said before, should be something horrifying that the screen goes almos completely black, and you only hear "WALUIGI TIME!" and then when the lights come back on, Waluigi has KO'd everybody above 5%.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I still say a Blue Shell should crash into Waluigi after he says: Waluigi numba one! He'd take heavy damage, but so would others.

 

[~automatic]

If we have reasonable ammount of unique character newcomers I don't think clones are that bad.

Which characters would you consider to be good and unique inclusions to the roster?

 

[Diddy Kong]

A pool of characters I've been thinking about:

Mewtwo, King K.Rool, Dixie Kong, Ridley, Maxwell (Scribblenauts), Toad, Paper Mario, Bowser Jr., Chrom, Roy, Lyn, Impa, Ghirahim, Isaac, Mach Rider, Takamaru, Anthony Higgs, Palutena, Porky, Tingle, Pac-Man, Megaman, Lucina, Zoroark, Elite Beat Agents, Bandana Dee, Little Mac, new / other Pokemon Trainer.

Not saying I'm expecting all of them playable. But expect most newcomers to come from this pool. And of coarse something Sakurai will blow us away with, a WTF-addition of sorts.

If we'd get about 10 new characters fully unique out of these, I wouldn't mind clones. Especially not half clones coming out of this pool, say, Roy, Chrom or Dixie Kong.

 

[Gamingboy]

Yeah, Sakurai loves his WTF additions.

 

[peeup]

If we get another FZero rep, it will hopefully be a CFalcon clone so Sakurai will have a reason to further differentiate Ganon's moveset. Falcon was a weird choice to use as a basis for Ganon. And by weird I mean stupid.

 

[Opossum]

\ Maxwell (Scribblenauts)\

You're making me sad, Diddy.

Times like this I really wish Scribblenauts was a Nintendo-IP...so much potential.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

If we get another FZero rep, it will hopefully be a CFalcon clone so Sakurai will have a reason to further differentiate Ganon's moveset. Falcon was a weird choice to use as a basis for Ganon. And by weird I mean stupid.

I've said it before, but it's incredibly selfish(and hypocritical) of Ganondorf fans to say any F-Zero character should get Ganon's old moveset so that Ganon can have a new one.

The best "solution" for Ganondorfs clone moveset is to heave some way to pick between his old moveset and whatever new non-clone moveset he might get.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ganondorf could get Luigified further to the level of say, Wolf or Lucas, and he'd be fine. Preferably he gets different B moves though. But yeah, I wish Black Shadow could just take his moveset. It would fit nicely. Not just 'any F Zero racer'. But yeah, I can see how F Zerp fans would think something like that to be egoistical. Yet, F Zero should be happy for any newcomer, even if it's a clone.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I've said it before, but it's incredibly selfish(and hypocritical) of Ganondorf fans to say any F-Zero character should get Ganon's old moveset so that Ganon can have a new one.

The best "solution" for Ganondorfs clone moveset is to heave some way to pick between his old moveset and whatever new non-clone moveset he might get.

Guys lets keep in mind that all characters are getting new moves. For all we know these moves can really help Gannon/Falco/Lucas/Whoever to carve their own identity.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Guys lets keep in mind that all characters are getting new moves. For all we know these moves can really help Gannon/Falco/Lucas/Whoever to carve their own identity.

No they aren't. That was a misinterpretation of something Sakurai said.

 

[Moon Monkey]

No they aren't. That was a misinterpretation of something Sakurai said.

Source??? What was the article talking about then???

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Source??? What was the article talking about then???

Source: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...acters_are_coming_to_smash_bros_3ds_and_wii_u

Sakurai just said: "It's fun making new skills for new characters". All this confirms is that there will be new characters, which everybody with half a brain already new.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

On another subject, which would be more preferable, a clone, or a blank roster space? If clones had to be added, who would you like to see?.

If they are done with all characters that they added to SSB4 and still have time left over then I'm okay with clones.

1.Black Shadow
2. Medusa

I don't mind to see Black Shadow to absorb Ganondorf's movesets and allow Ganondorf to have his own moveset. If Sakurai actually added Palutena then I don't mind to see evil version of Palutena's moveset as Medusa.

Source??? What was the article talking about then???

I don't remembered but he's right. I made the thread at NeoGaf but realized that someone translated it into something good so they can get more hits on their websites. Really he said that he was enjoyed his job that he is coming up with new moves for new characters. That's all.


I would be okay if Little Mac can't debut in SSB4, at long they are going to add King Hippo.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Source: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...acters_are_coming_to_smash_bros_3ds_and_wii_u

Sakurai just said: "It's fun making new skills for new characters". All this confirms is tha there will be new characters, which everybody with half a brain already new.

Oh okay, that's a bit disappointing though.

 

[Deleted member]

If it is clones vs. nothing, I'll take clones.
If we're talking new clones, then I guess someone like Dark Pit or Metal Sonic, since they make SENSE as clones. I don't want to pull another Ganondorf, you know?

 

[FlareHabanero]

If it's clone vs. nothing, let's go with nothing.

There is no reason to over saturate things with pointless filler, as it just makes things redundant. This is mainly in the context of Mario and Dr. Mario, not Ness and Lucas; in other words true clones, not clones in name only.

 

[Big-Cat]

Oh okay, that's a bit disappointing though.

It doesn't mean that returning characters WON'T be getting new stuff though. It just leaves that as unconfirmed.

 

[Second Power]

If it's clone vs. nothing, let's go with nothing.

There is no reason to over saturate things with pointless filler, as it just makes things redundant. This is mainly in the context of Mario and Dr. Mario, not Ness and Lucas; in other words true clones, not clones in name only.

Sorry, I should have clarified. When I started this, I was thinking less Mario -> Dr. Mario (Where one is decidely superior to the other) or Fox -> Falco (where, while the characters have difference, their playstyles are nearly identical) but instead Marth -> Roy (where several small differences changes how they play entirely) or, and I dread to bring this up but I do for the sake of being thorough, Falcon -> Gannondorf (where several of their smaller characteristics change how they feel entirely).

 

[3Bismyname]

its really likely that returning characters will get a few changes. some characters like Luigi and Olimar have new things that can be implemented to their movesets. but some characters dont really need a change of any sort. maybe just a few buffs

 

[Moon Monkey]

There is hope. This is the same Nintendo that lied in our face about the existence of a 3DS XL at E3 2012, only to announce the thing 2 months after.

But I'm sure certain characters will receive tweaks or replacement moves.

I too would prefer nothing than having clone characters filling up the roster. I'd rather energy spent on other aspects like stage builder or story mode than waste time coding and modeling filler characters.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Clones = bad bad bad.
LLA = Quite good, if people can get over the fact Final Smashes can be similar

King Hippo won't get in if Little Mac won't get in.

 

[Frostwraith]

If it is clones vs. nothing, I'll take clones.
If we're talking new clones, then I guess someone like Dark Pit or Metal Sonic, since they make SENSE as clones. I don't want to pull another Ganondorf, you know?

I can agree with this. Especially on the last statement.

By the way, I am sure some of you have read my "character importance list" I posted a few days ago. I am working on the next part, but, as you may guess from my recent absence, I have been busy as of late, so things are going slower than I originally wanted.

Regarding returnees, I think Olimar could have the new Pikmin introduced in Pikmin 3, regardless of whether Olimar makes an appearence in said game. It would add more variety to his already unique moveset and playstyle.