Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[3Bismyname]

Now I know originating in video games should be a given but technically captain n is a Nintendo property so would it really b that big a stretch. It's not like their using Mickey mouse or anything

 

[Arcadenik]

Three new retros: Sheriff, Takamaru, & Captain N

However wouldn't originating in a cartoon hurt his chances?

Swap Sheriff for Duck Hunt Dog and we are good to go.

And Captain N could still get in despite originating in a cartoon if he is owned by Nintendo. This is a Nintendo All-Star game, no?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Mega Man would be a green ****** and Pit would have the worse cowlick and voice crack ever. Also they will say "Mega" and "-icus" respectivly all the freaking time.

 

[3Bismyname]

Megaman having his 10 cartons a day voice

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Swap Sheriff for Duck Hunt Dog and we are good to go.

And Captain N could still get in despite originating in a cartoon if he is owned by Nintendo. This is a Nintendo All-Star game, no?

at think Duck Hunt Dog should be playable in general

And I am not denying Captain N because of it, I am just saying that might be a problem for it.

 

[FishSlappinDance]

I don't want us to deviate entirely from the current discussion but Little Mac would still be categorized under "Retro characters" despite the fact his series got a reboot in 2009, correct?

 

[Arcadenik]

You know what? If Capcom really wanted to outdo the Bad Box Art Mega Man in Street Fighter X Tekken, they could put in Captain N version of Mega Man in SSB4. The butthurt fanboy tears would taste like diabetes.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I don't want us to deviate entirely from the current discussion but Little Mac would still be categorized under "Retro characters" despite the fact his series got a reboot in 2009, correct?

Since he returned, I wouldn't think so. Same for Pit.

 

[Arcadenik]

Samus was grouped with the retro characters in Brawl despite Metroid going through a revival with Prime trilogy, Fusion, and Zero Mission.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Samus was probably grouped with Pit, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. because they all were characters that debuted during the NES days. Presuming what is currently speculated, I presume that Kid Icarus and Metroid characters would still be paired up, but R.O.B. and Ice Climbers would be moved somewhere else.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Samus was grouped with the retro characters in Brawl despite Metroid going through a revival with Prime trilogy, Fusion, and Zero Mission.

When was Samus classified with the retro characters?

 

[FlareHabanero]

When was Samus classified with the retro characters?

Super Smash Bros. Brawl, where Samus was paired up with Pit, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. if viewed vertically.

 

[Big-Cat]

Samus was grouped with the retro characters in Brawl despite Metroid going through a revival with Prime trilogy, Fusion, and Zero Mission.

It probably just turned out like that. There was only one Metroid character after all.

And as SmashChu once said, "What came first? The roster or the pretty box?"

 

[FishSlappinDance]

1. Take the 3rd party roster we have now
2. Replace Snake with Simon Belmont (Mirrors of Fate Version)
3. Change Sonic's move-set to have some reflection on Colors, Generations, Unleashed, and Sonic & Sega All Star Racing Transformed (on top of original games)
4. Add in Travis Touchdown (w/ Beam Katana and Wrestling Moves) and Mega-Man (w/ Buster Cannon and Copy Ability)

I doubt Snake would get removed from 4. I know this isn't the best argument but back in the days when Brawl was in development, I recall people firmly believing that characters such as the Ice Climbers and G&W were going to get cut. Then Brawl was released and both were intact.

My point being that once a franchise is introduced in Smash, it ain't goin' anywhere.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl, where Samus was paired up with Pit, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. if viewed vertically.

If that truly was used to put the retros in a line like that, why is Mr. Game & Watch all the way over to the right?

 

[Arcadenik]

Samus was probably grouped with Pit, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. because they all were characters that debuted during the NES days. Presuming what is currently speculated, I presume that Kid Icarus and Metroid characters would still be paired up, but R.O.B. and Ice Climbers would be moved somewhere else.

I can see Metroid and Kid Icarus sharing one column because the theme is NES password games. Samus/Zero Suit Samus, Ridley, Pit, Palutena, and maybe Medusa or Magnus.

Maybe R.O.B. and Ice Climbers might get their own column where the theme is famous NES characters with Little Mac, Takamaru, and maybe Balloon Fighter or Duck Hunt Dog.

 

[Gamingboy]

If that truly was used to put the retros in a line like that, why is Mr. Game & Watch all the way over to the right?

Because he's so retro, he doesn't fit anywhere, and since somebody had to be with the 3rd Parties and random button...

 

[FishSlappinDance]

If that truly was used to put the retros in a line like that, why is Mr. Game & Watch all the way over to the right?

If my memory serves me right, Mr. Game & Watch wasn't on the NES, or more accurately, didn't debut on the NES like Samus, Pit, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. (he was an accessory, m'kay) did.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

If my memory serves me right, Mr. Game & Watch wasn't on the NES, or more accurately, didn't debut on the NES like Samus, Pit, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. (he was an accessory, m'kay) did.

And like others have said, that is probably why they were listed together. If it was just a list of retros, they would have been with Game & Watch.

 

[Gamingboy]

Say, could E. Gadd be a possible character? I mean, he's making his return in the new Luigi's Mansion and he's had roles both on and off-screen in a bunch of Mario games... could be sort of a cartoony gadget user....

 

[Deleted member]

He isn't particularly likely, but if he was in, then Mario and Luigi could not get too overhauled while HE gets the F.L.U.D.D. and the Poltergust (he designed them, afterall).

 

[FlareHabanero]

Technically the Magic Paintbrush was also developed by E. Gadd too, so add that to the mix I guess.

 

[Deleted member]

Err yeah, but at the same time, it still makes more sense for Jr. to use it, given that while Mario and Luigi aren't really "defined" by their tools, Jr. is kind of defined for his.

 

[SmashShadow]

If that truly was used to put the retros in a line like that, why is Mr. Game & Watch all the way over to the right?

Hasn't G&W made several appearances after Melee and even got another game title. It could show that he's broken out of retro status while Pit, IC and R.O.B had yet to.

 

[kikaru]

When was Samus classified with the retro characters?

She isn't.

Samus being paired with retro characters because they all share the NES is as legitimate of a reason as Captain Falcon being paired with the StarFox crew because they all pilot something.

If they wanted to clearly separate out all of the series and generations the roster wouldn't look as organized as it does now.

 

[pikmingrapeandrape]

Hasn't G&W made several appearances after Melee and even got another game title. It could show that he's broken out of retro status while Pit, IC and R.O.B had yet to.

Wait.....what? Im assuming that you're counting the game and watch gallery re release as a brand new game entirely? Just because a game re appears on a virtual console, it doesn't mean it's a new game. By that logic, Ice Climbers would also not be retro anymore. And also, Pit isnt retro anymore. He just got a brand new, full fledged game last year. Point being, Mr. G&W is still one the most old school around.

 

[SmashShadow]

Wait.....what? Im assuming that you're counting the game and watch gallery re release as a brand new game entirely? Just because a game re appears on a virtual console, it doesn't mean it's a new game. By that logic, Ice Climbers would also not be retro anymore. And also, Pit isnt retro anymore. He just got a brand new, full fledged game last year. Point being, Mr. G&W is still one the most old school around.

I said Pit "had yet" to break out of retro status meaning before Uprising. Ice climbers still haven't gotten another game under their belt regardless of minor appearances so I still see them as retro. As to G&W, the game I was referencing was gallery 4.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think you guys are talking about Game & Watch Gallery 4. It came out in 2002. It was only a Mario spin-off game.

 

[Frostwraith]

I think you guys are talking about Game & Watch Gallery 4. It came out in 2002. It was only a Mario spin-off game.

sort of, actually. I have G&W Gallery 4, and Mr. Game & Watch himself makes an appearence in the game, not to mention that the original G&W games are in that game, alongside reworked versions featuring Mario characters.

 

[Deleted member]

The only game Mr. Game & Watch actually appears in outside of Smash.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What about Wario Land 4 and Donkey Kong Country Returns?

 

[Arcadenik]

What about Wario Land 4 and Donkey Kong Country Returns?

Those are only cameos.

 

[Gamingboy]

He isn't particularly likely, but if he was in, then Mario and Luigi could not get too overhauled while HE gets the F.L.U.D.D. and the Poltergust (he designed them, afterall).

I admit he isn't particularly likely- he hasn't had a bodily appearance since M&L: Partners in Time (although some of his stuff has shown up since then) and won't show up again until LM:DM this year.

But I think he'd be an interesting and unique character in Brawl, somebody who'd have to be almost entirely reliant on gadgets and gear. He'd be crap in close-in fights but could dominate in a long-range game. I mean, Snake at least had CQC to defend himself...

 

[Deleted member]

On Samus, I can hardly call her retro, I mean all she did was skip on a generation, and that was because her game wasn't finished by the time the N64 was done with.

If you really stop and count, she's had more game in "modern" times than in "retro times."

Cut her some slack guys, I mean, it's bad enough Nintendo forgets all about her 25th anniversary, you don't have to rub it in by calling her retro (synonymous for forgotten).
[COLLAPSE="Happy birthday to me.... ;_;"]

[/COLLAPSE]

Spoiler

I had a better one lying around somewhere but I can't find it...

Anyway, a bit of a throwback to Snake.

How come he never got his infamous catchphrase in Smash Brawl? If he comes back he better have it as either a taunt, or a Victory Phrase.

For those of you who don't know:

Spoiler

http://www.hark.com/clips/yxchknvkvx-kept-you-waiting-huh

 

[Gamingboy]

Cut her some slack guys, I mean, it's bad enough Nintendo forgets all about her 25th anniversary, you don't have to rub it in by calling her retro (synonymous for forgotten).

To be fair, having the same anniversary as Zelda is sort of like being born on Christmas, much like that comic.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'd imagine 2014 being a big celebration for Super Smash Bros. by both developers and fans.

It's Super Smash Bros., so it's going to be unavoidable yet pretty awesome.

 

[Arcadenik]

Hmmm... if E3 2013 doesn't show SSB4 trailer... then I guess E3 2014 might show SSB4 trailer as an anniversary tribute to Smash.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hmmm... if E3 2013 doesn't show SSB4 trailer... then I guess E3 2014 might show SSB4 trailer as an anniversary tribute to Smash.

Then everyone would be simply pissed and complain on Nintendo. Then Reggie will have to discuss how E3 2013 was just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Gamingboy]

Please, this is Nintendo. Other than us (or at least most of us) diehards, at every E3 Nintendo is always either flying higher than they've ever been or is on the edge of extinction.

 

[FlareHabanero]

One things for sure is that we're not going to get something like E3 2008.

Wii Sports Resort! Wii Music! Cammie! Enraged Fanboys!