Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[ChronoBound]

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@SuperSmashFan

Wait a sec... When did I ever post porn on here? The most I posted was a bunch of ecchi-esque pics of girls wearing bodysuits. Samus Aran wears a bodysuit too, I can hardly see how that qualifies as porn. Sure, perhaps very risque and not appropriate for say... 12 year olds. But it's hardly even softcore porn as there isn't even any nudity.

You posted an anime pic of naked anime loli girl, and that post got deleted as a result.

 

[Deleted member]

I would actually like Murasame Castle as a stage with the Japanese aesthetics I mentioned as a main appeal, essentially a stage that feels alive that is constantly shifting in moods. At one point it's a beautiful paradise with flowing water and sakura petals blowing in the wind, then it's mysterious in the night time with a full moon shining in the background, and then it becomes dangerous with a blood red tint and varies shadowy figures in the background.

I'd imagine something like that being quite the thing on the Wii U.

Yeah, I'd love something like that to be honest. I saw someone post an idea like that over at the stage thread.

It could be like in the courtyard, with the castle in the background. At night you see Ninjas move across in the background. During the day, the cherry blossoms blow across the screen. Ah, it could even have that typical sound effect from Japanese Gardens and stuff. You know, the one where the water fills the bamboo *** till it fills and the water causes it to tip over and drain. It'd be a neat stage to play in to be honest.

Maybe they could make it like Isle Delfino, where one moment, you're outside the gates, the next you're inside the garden, then inside the castle, then atop the castle, meanwhile day and night cycle randomly each giving you different visual aesthetics.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

EDIT: Ah ****. Double post

 

[Dark Phazon]

The Overall Idea: The roster is based on retro characters and new characters being separate on different versions, you can connect to between these versions to transfer these characters.

This is the overall roster, with a total of 55 characters in total:

Veterans:

1. Mario (3DS)
2. Luigi (3DS)
3. Yoshi (3DS)
4. Wario (3DS)
5. Peach (3DS)
6. Donkey Kong (3DS)
7. Diddy Kong (Wii U)
8. Bowser (3DS)
9. Kirby (3DS)
10. King Dedede (3DS)
11. Meta Knight (3DS)
12. Link (3DS)
13. Zelda (3DS)
14. Ganondorf (3DS)
15. Pikachu (Wii U)
16. Pokemon Trainer (Wii U)
17. Jigglypuff (Wii U)
18. Samus (3DS)
19. Mr. Game and Watch (3DS)
20. Pit (3DS)
21. Ice Climbers (3DS)
22. Ness (Wii U)
23. R.O.B. (3DS)
24. Pikmin and Olimar (Wii U)
25. Captain Falcon (Wii U)
26. Fox (Wii U)
27. Falco (Wii U)
28. Marth (Wii U)
29. Sonic (Wii U)

Newcomers:

30. Louie (Pikmin) (Wii U)
31. Palutena (Kid Icarus) (3DS)
32. Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fighter) (3DS)
33. Little Mac (Punch Out) (3DS)
34. Pac-man (Pac-Man) (3DS)
35. Mike Jones (Startropics) (3DS)
36. Dig Dug (Dig Dug) (3DS)
37. Duck Hunt Dog (Duck Hunt) (3DS)
38. Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy) (Wii U)
39. Zoroark (Pokemon Black and White) (Wii U)
40. Starfy (Densetsu no Starfy) (Wii U)
41. King K. Krool (Donkey Kong Country) (Wii U)
42. Skull Kid (The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask) (Wii U)
43. Ghirahim (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword) (Wii U)
44. Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment) (Wii U)
45. Airan Jo (Sin and Punishment) (Wii U)
46. Professor Layton (Professor Layton: The Curious Village) (Wii U) (3rd)
47. Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) (Wii U)
48. Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow) (Wii U)
49. Shulk (Xenoblade) (Wii U)
50. Zael (The Last Story) (Wii U)
51. Andy (Advance Wars) (Wii U)
52. Ridley (Metroid) (Wii U)
53. Isaac (Golden Sun) (Wii U)
54. Sora (Kingdom Hearts) (Wii U) (3rd)
55. Bowser Jr. (Mario) (Wii U)

If this actually happened fans would Hang Sakurai.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You posted an anime pic of naked anime loli girl, and that post got deleted as a result.

At least it wasn't Krystal lol

I'd like the idea of that type of stage too. I'm sure whatever stage they have accompanying Takamaru will be something similar to that.

Assuming Snake and Sonic return, what will their stages be? It's kind of weird because they COULD just bring back the brawl stages, or they could include brand new ones.

Lets not get into another debate as to why they will/won't be back because that isn't what i'm asking.

 

[Frostwraith]

When was the last time I've seen a discussion got on such a low level like this...? (O_O;

seriously, guys? all that mayhem caused by simple speculation about a game that is still far from being released? (o_O)

anyhoo... Murasame Castle is likely one of the next retro franchises to have a character in SSB4, with it being referenced in Samurai Warriors 3 and Nintendo Land, both recent games. Takamaru has potential to be a unique character.

With Takamaru's inclusion, NES's aptly named "action series" would be all represented at last by having playable characters from Zelda, Metroid, Kid Icarus and Murasame Castle.

 

[Opossum]

Well I mean...it could be worse right? At least it isn't Krystal

It's still horrible. I mean, it could have been worse, but not much. It was still vile and distasteful.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I presume Sonic would at least get City Escape as a new stage, mostly because I love the stage in Sonic Generations and Sonic Adventure 2. After all, we are rolling around at the speed of sound and need to follow our rainbow. Also, that psycho truck needs to be included if it ever does happen.

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On a more disturbing note, this talk of Japan aesthetics and pedophilia is reminding me of the practice called shudō.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It's still horrible. I mean, it could have been worse, but not much. It was still vile and distasteful.

I'm sure it was. I wouldn't expect people to exactly accept some sort of porn (anime or not) in the middle of Smash Bros discussions. Eesh

@Habanero, if they do City Escape, then the psycho truck needs to drive across the screen and just obliterate people. It would be hysterical. Imagine just fighting somebody and getting flattened by a random truck

 

[Deleted member]

At least it wasn't Krystal lol

I'd like the idea of that type of stage too. I'm sure whatever stage they have accompanying Takamaru will be something similar to that.

Assuming Snake and Sonic return, what will their stages be? It's kind of weird because they COULD just bring back the brawl stages, or they could include brand new ones.

Lets not get into another debate as to why they will/won't be back because that isn't what i'm asking.

For Snake , THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu6RHbFj7vk

That Maya Pyramid with the Crysalis Flying around, the stage should also fog up and stuff. Peace Walker is the most recent entry in the series and that was the most memorable battle from the game. Also, if Snake comes back, it'd be cool if he was Big Boss, instead of Solid. Kojima has a preference for the Boss too, we could have Solid and Old Snake as Costumes. A slight moveset revamp for Snake would be cool too (maybe he can finally have guns?), more aggressive and he must have his traditional Judo Throw.

For Sonic: I just got Generations for PC yesterday, but I haven't had time to sit down and play it, but people mention the SA1 stage remake with the whales. That'd be cool I guess...

Speaking of Sonic, if he comes back, we'd better get Robotnik as a Boss.

EDIT: On the porn thing...

*sigh... I think I know the pic you guys are talking about. You mean that Joke pic that talks about why Char (the dude from Gundam) wears a mask. That's hardly porn as it's a fanmade joke pic and nothing is actually shown, sure it has a loli because it was made by /a/, but if you guys seriously took offence to that, then you need to lighten up. It wasn't even a serious image, it's seriously less vulgar than half the stuff shown on Family Guy and stuff. Anyway lets not get into another offtopic discussion.

 

[Dark Phazon]

i Will go back and read the last 30 Pages i missed in the morning...good nite guys..

 

[8-peacock-8]

Here's my prediction:

My only thought is that maybe I put too much third-party characters.

UPDATE:

Layout:
* Reverted to Brawl's layout. I tried to go for a theme for each column (ex. Mario, Retro, TPC). It's really more organized than Melee's, you have to admit.
* Opted to make half the roster unlockable, that's the fun of it, right?

Character Selection:
* Removed Hilbert in favor of Red. Red's a hit with Pokemon fans plus he recently appeared in Black 2/White 2. Also, not all generations are represented in Smash so I decided to keep it to characters that have appeared in past installments.
* Cleaned up third-party characters, this is a Nintendo fighter, so I think four is good enough.
* Updated most characters to their most recent renditions (Fire Emblem & Zelda characters).

1. Travis over Mega Man? i loled.

2. I liked the layout from the previous image more. But i guess that doesn't matter.

3. Props for keeping Shiek.

4. Too lazy to look at the rest of the roster.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

For Snake , THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu6RHbFj7vk

That Maya Pyramid with the Crysalis Flying around, the stage should also fog up and stuff. Peace Walker is the most recent entry in the series and that was the most memorable battle from the game. Also, if Snake comes back, it'd be cool if he was Big Boss, instead of Solid. Kojima has a preference for the Boss too, we could have Solid and Old Snake as Costumes. A slight moveset revamp for Snake would be cool too (maybe he can finally have guns?), more aggressive and he must have his traditional Judo Throw.

As far as the costumes go, I'd say keep Snake as the base character, and then have Big Boss/ Old Snake Alternates as you had mentioned. I don't think Snakes moveset is too bad, and if he DID use guns, I think it should be limited to tranq rounds. You could just put everybody to sleep and then choke them out

Then everytime you do the dash+a attack as Old Snake he would hurt his back

 

[Deleted member]

As far as the costumes go, I'd say keep Snake as the base character, and then have Big Boss/ Old Snake Alternates as you had mentioned. I don't think Snakes moveset is too bad, and if he DID use guns, I think it should be limited to tranq rounds. You could just put everybody to sleep and then choke them out

Then everytime you do the dash+a attack as Old Snake he would hurt his back

The reason I'd like Big Boss over Solid Snake is because Snake is a clone of Big Boss canonically, Big Boss is overall better at combat than Snake, and the Solid Snake Saga is officially over with MGS4, so it would make more sense to represent the current Snake. Lastly, the entire series is technically focused around Big Boss and his endeavors, the Solid Snake Saga was fixing the aftermath of what he caused. Therefore Big Boss is technically the main character.

There's also the fact that Big Boss is inspired by Che Guevara, who is one of my personal inrl Heroes and inspirations.
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So I do have a lot of bias and preference for him.

And although Big Boss does use guns I agree on the tranq thing. It fits well with the whole focus the series has on "non-lethal takedowns" Snake technically hardly ever kills anyone unless forced to, and the game rewards you for being stealthy and not killing anyone, rather than charging through guns a blazin'.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

*sigh... I think I know the pic you guys are talking about. You mean that Joke pic that talks about why Char (the dude from Gundam) wears a mask. That's hardly porn as it's a fanmade joke pic and nothing is actually shown, sure it has a loli because it was made by /a/, but if you guys seriously took offence to that, then you need to lighten up. It wasn't even a serious image, it's seriously less vulgar than half the stuff shown on Family Guy and stuff. Anyway lets not get into another offtopic discussion.

I don't even like Family Guy, but what picture? I didn't see it.

Neogaf just posted an article that I found very interesting. I wonder if Sakurai would change his stance on making Animal Crosser as playable character.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506943

 

[Deleted member]

None of how New Leaf has done commercially and economically will affect Sakurai's stance on the Crosser, due to him already believing the series deserves a character.
His stance will only change if Sakurai feels the concept of having a character outweighs the concept that they don't make sense as fighters at this point, which is completely undeterminable.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Again, I do like the idea of the Mayor of Smashville being in Super Smash Bros. as the foreshadowed "late hero" mentioned by Sakurai years ago.

 

[PSIguy89]

That would be such a great addition to Smash4! i am completley for it! On a side, note I loved the stage ideas for Murasame Castle you guys were talking about! nice touches!

 

[FishSlappinDance]

1. Travis over Mega Man? i loled.

2. I liked the layout from the previous image more. But i guess that doesn't matter.

3. Props for keeping Shiek.

4. Too lazy to look at the rest of the roster.

I'm flattered that someone actually acknowledged my roster.

1. Yes, I know I was treading on thin ice with Travis over Mega Man but I felt that Suda would probably request him to be included much like Hideo Kojima with Snake previously. I admit that he's a rather obscure character - heck I never heard of him until now - with only three games compared to Mega Man but I think it would be interesting how a character from an M-rated game can transition to Smash Bros. I'm not saying, "I want Travis over Mega Man 24/7/365," I simply feel that Suda may go to Sakurai and plead his character gets in and something may happen. My roster simply reflects the idea if Sakurai actually accepts Suda's request. Dealing with third-party characters in a Smash roster is incredibly difficult, I have to say.

But if you ask me, you could say that Suda's taking any opportunity to leech attention for his character. I don't think he has any priority advantages over Mega Man, though I do find it rather interesting should he get in.

"I love him, and I want him to be a huge star," Suda tells Nintendo Power. "That’s why I’m working very hard to make this game as interesting as possible. Maybe in the future, we can see him fighting alongside Link in the next Smash Bros. [laughs] That would be great."
Read more at http://www.destructoid.com/suda-51-...-smash-bros--138979.phtml#UXcZHu7wVhih8PUf.99

2. Different strokes for different blokes, I suppose.

3. No problem. I don't think anyone deserves to get cut, though you can call me out as a hypocrite for excluding Dr. Mario and Pichu. But c'mon Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor's suit and Pichu was essentially a worse-version of Pikachu. Though I believe Pichu has potential to have a unique moveset, I don't think it would be enough to give Pokemon another rep.

4. Take your time, thanks, and have fun!

 

[Arcadenik]

Again, I do like the idea of the Mayor of Smashville being in Super Smash Bros. as the foreshadowed "late hero" mentioned by Sakurai years ago.

I like the idea of Villager and Mii as casual reps in SSB4.

 

[FlareHabanero]

It's kinda doubtful we'll get Travis Touchdown regardless of who says what.

 

[Arcadenik]

So what, do I need to befriend Sakurai in real life so I can have my characters I want in Smash? Just because someone in the game industry is friends with Sakurai doesn't mean they will get Sakurai to put in their favorite characters in Smash. Even Kojima had to BEG his friend to put Snake in Brawl...

 

[Frostwraith]

You could go and gain his friendship via Twitter.

my 777th post...

 

[Arcadenik]

I can see it now... Sakurai complaining about fans trying to befriend him on Twitter and then asking him to put their favorite characters in Smash.

 

[Frostwraith]

You got it right!

Totally robs you of wishing to have more friends... right?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Obtaining friendship on the internet is hardly an achievement. All it takes is a button click away, and then you forget about it later on.

Some exceptions do come up, but I'm pretty sure everyone has that feeling.

 

[Frostwraith]

I thought the trollface would be a good indicator of my obvious sarcasm, no?

Other than that, you're right... and these assumptions of Sakurai's friends' characters being in Smash because of that friendship... it's a farfetched generalization.

Speaking of Suda51... did you know that his name appears somewhere in the Special Thanks section of Brawl's staff credits?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I'm flattered that someone actually acknowledged my roster.

1. Yes, I know I was treading on thin ice with Travis over Mega Man but I felt that Suda would probably request him to be included much like Hideo Kojima with Snake previously. I admit that he's a rather obscure character - heck I never heard of him until now - with only three games compared to Mega Man but I think it would be interesting how a character from an M-rated game can transition to Smash Bros. I'm not saying, "I want Travis over Mega Man 24/7/365," I simply feel that Suda may go to Sakurai and plead his character gets in and something may happen. My roster simply reflects the idea if Sakurai actually accepts Suda's request. Dealing with third-party characters in a Smash roster is incredibly difficult, I have to say.

But if you ask me, you could say that Suda's taking any opportunity to leech attention for his character. I don't think he has any priority advantages over Mega Man, though I do find it rather interesting should he get in.



2. Different strokes for different blokes, I suppose.

3. No problem. I don't think anyone deserves to get cut, though you can call me out as a hypocrite for excluding Dr. Mario and Pichu. But c'mon Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor's suit and Pichu was essentially a worse-version of Pikachu. Though I believe Pichu has potential to have a unique moveset, I don't think it would be enough to give Pokemon another rep.

4. Take your time, thanks, and have fun!

Just replace Pac-Man with Mega-Man and you got a great 3rd Party list (Sonic, Snake, Mega-Man, & Travis).

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't want Travis in Smash. If we have to have a weeaboo in Smash, I'd rather they update Captain N into a weeaboo to reflect modern gamers.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I don't want Travis in Smash. If we have to have a weeaboo in Smash, I'd rather they update Captain N into a weeaboo to reflect modern gamers.

Correction: He is an OTAKU, not a WEEABOO

 

[FlareHabanero]

Regardless, we do need more otaku characters on the roster. We have to pander to the fans somehow, you know?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Regardless, we do need more otaku characters on the roster. We have to pander to the fans somehow, you know?

Yes, especially one that can use a beam katana and wrestling moves on his opponents.

Just imagine slashing up your opponent and then hitting theim with a tombstone.

Epic

 

[8-peacock-8]

I don't want Travis in Smash. If we have to have a weeaboo in Smash, I'd rather they update Captain N into a weeaboo to reflect modern gamers.

Captain N is just a video game nerd though.

 

[3Bismyname]

I would actually enjoy captain n. could make for good event matches between him pit megaman and even link

 

[8-peacock-8]

I'm flattered that someone actually acknowledged my roster.

1. Yes, I know I was treading on thin ice with Travis over Mega Man but I felt that Suda would probably request him to be included much like Hideo Kojima with Snake previously. I admit that he's a rather obscure character - heck I never heard of him until now - with only three games compared to Mega Man but I think it would be interesting how a character from an M-rated game can transition to Smash Bros. I'm not saying, "I want Travis over Mega Man 24/7/365," I simply feel that Suda may go to Sakurai and plead his character gets in and something may happen. My roster simply reflects the idea if Sakurai actually accepts Suda's request. Dealing with third-party characters in a Smash roster is incredibly difficult, I have to say.

But if you ask me, you could say that Suda's taking any opportunity to leech attention for his character. I don't think he has any priority advantages over Mega Man, though I do find it rather interesting should he get in.



2. Different strokes for different blokes, I suppose.

3. No problem. I don't think anyone deserves to get cut, though you can call me out as a hypocrite for excluding Dr. Mario and Pichu. But c'mon Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor's suit and Pichu was essentially a worse-version of Pikachu. Though I believe Pichu has potential to have a unique moveset, I don't think it would be enough to give Pokemon another rep.

4. Take your time, thanks, and have fun!

No problem.

Anyway, we don't even know if Suda and Sakurai are even friends or not.

However, i could see Travis being the next WTF third party if Snake and Sonic don't return for some reason. (Not saying they wont return. Just giving a "what if?" scenario.)

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Three new retros: Sheriff, Takamaru, & Captain N

However wouldn't originating in a cartoon hurt his chances?

No problem.

Anyway, we don't even know if Suda and Sakurai are even friends or not.

However, i could see Travis being the next WTF third party if Snake and Sonic don't return for some reason. (Not saying they wont return. Just giving a "what if?" scenario.)

And why couldn't Travis get in if both stay? I easily could see all 3 with Mega-Man.

 

[Arcadenik]

I would actually enjoy captain n. could make for good event matches between him pit megaman and even link

They need to put Simon Belmont in there as well. I like the Lords of Shadow reboot version.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You mean the FABULOUS~ Simon Belmont from the cartoon who was Simon in name only, right?

 

[Arcadenik]

Yes, but I don't want THAT Simon Belmont... HOWEVER if that version gets in, then Pit and Mega Man need to get chibi makeovers.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

They need to put Simon Belmont in there as well. I like the Lords of Shadow reboot version.

1. Take the 3rd party roster we have now
2. Replace Snake with Simon Belmont (Mirrors of Fate Version)
3. Change Sonic's move-set to have some reflection on Colors, Generations, Unleashed, and Sonic & Sega All Star Racing Transformed (on top of original games)
4. Add in Travis Touchdown (w/ Beam Katana and Wrestling Moves) and Mega-Man (w/ Buster Cannon and Copy Ability)