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[Deleted member]

Reaction images don't work outside of an anonymous message board. You seem more like a kid when you do that.

It's funny. Chrono and Manly's fighting is like looking at Kuma and I. heh.

I disagree, a picture is worth a thousand words, anonymity has nothing to do with.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything. It just shocked me that people can say Xenoblade is "The greatest RPG of All Time" and completely forget about titles like Deus Ex and Daggerfall. At least Dark Souls is at 5, but the fact that Deus Ex was ranked down at 30 certainly bugs me. Alas, it's probably mostly because Xenoblade and Persona 4 are more well known among mainstream gaming communties, so games like Deus Ex and the like didn't get as many well deserved votes.

But anyway, opinions opinions, and it's a tired topic so.... whatever. I'll probably post this on /v/ and have fun watching them explode.

 

[Deleted member]

Why does it have to be a platforming Mario title and why would it make sense for Waluigi to play a part of it?

Why can't it be a major role in Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon to serve as his main purpose: Luigi's rival?
Why can't it be a major role (or as major as Mona or Jimmy T., I guess) in Game & Wario, finally making him a part of the WarioWare series?
Why can't it be a new Wario Land, considering that Wario is mentioned to have brought him on one of his treasure hunts in Super Sluggers?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Reaction images don't work outside of an anonymous message board.

Neither do random links to sales figures in determining character inclusion.

It's funny. Chrono and Manly's fighting is like looking at Kuma and I. heh.

Big difference here is Kuma's right 99% of the time.

@ Manly: Persona and Xenoblade are gaining steam in the mainstream gaming community. Not surprising that they're sort of bubbling to the top of these kinds of lists. It's a new generation of gamers.

Smooth Criminal

 

[ChronoBound]

Why does it have to be a platforming Mario title and why would it make sense for Waluigi to play a part of it?

Why can't it be a major role in Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon to serve as his main purpose: Luigi's rival?
Why can't it be a major role (or as major as Mona or Jimmy T., I guess) in Game & Wario, finally making him a part of the WarioWare series?
Why can't it be a new Wario Land, considering that Wario is mentioned to have brought him on one of his treasure hunts in Super Sluggers?

Because by far the biggest Mario series is the Super Mario (platformer) series. Did you know that New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the second highest selling home console game of all time in Japan?

Also, Xenoblade is no more mainstream than Deus Ex. Its just fresher in everyone's mind because it got localized less than a year ago.

 

[Frostwraith]

Why does it have to be a platforming Mario title and why would it make sense for Waluigi to play a part of it?

Why can't it be a major role in Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon to serve as his main purpose: Luigi's rival?
Why can't it be a major role (or as major as Mona or Jimmy T., I guess) in Game & Wario, finally making him a part of the WarioWare series?
Why can't it be a new Wario Land, considering that Wario is mentioned to have brought him on one of his treasure hunts in Super Sluggers?

any of the three would be relevant and flesh out Waluigi's character, but I don't think any of those is necessary for Waluigi to appear in a Smash Bros. game as a playable character.

We have one time appearence characters like Ice Climbers, Sheik, Ness and Lucas, so why can't we have Waluigi who has appeared in most Mario spin-off games, including Mario Kart, Mario Party and many of the Mario sport games (Tennis, Golf, Strikers, among others)?

I am not really a Waluigi supporter, but it's worth discussing anyway.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I think why Waluigi got a boost in popularity was because of, well, arguably this or this. Ether that or he's started to gain character as opposed to simply being Luigi's rival for the hell of it.

 

[Deleted member]

@Chrono
That honestly does not mean worth a crap.
Waluigi playing a role in the platformer series does not make a lick of sense no matter how you look at it.
What's he going to do, be an underling to Bowser? Then what really puts him above Jr.?
He's certainly not going to help Mario and Luigi save Peach; he's not heroic, he hates Luigi, and he's too damn tall to work as a character. Making Toads into Mario size is reasonable; making Waluigi into Mario size is not.

Even if Luigi's Mansion is not as "big" as the Super Mario games, him serving as Luigi's rival in the game would help enforce what he was created for and help flesh him out as more than just Wario's lanky sidekick.
As a character in Wario Land or WarioWare, he would be looked at as a Wario character, not a Mario character. While it may not put him out of the Wario's lanky sidekick stigma unless they two are made to clash heads and become frienemies at times, it still helps flesh him out and gives him more reason to exist.

 

[Arcadenik]

any of the three would be relevant and flesh out Waluigi's character, but I don't think any of those is necessary for Waluigi to appear in a Smash Bros. game as a playable character.

We have one time appearence characters like Ice Climbers, Sheik, Ness and Lucas, so why can't we have Waluigi who has appeared in most Mario spin-off games, including Mario Kart, Mario Party and many of the Mario sport games (Tennis, Golf, Strikers, among others)?

I am not really a Waluigi supporter, but it's worth discussing anyway.

Toad showed up in most Mario spin-off games, too. I think we need a Venn diagram because Waluigi would only cover the Mario spin-off circle while Toad and Bowser Jr. would be in both Mario spin-off and main game circles.

 

[Deleted member]

As if being a spin-off only character meant anything.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Arguably being only regulated to spin-offs shouldn't be a big turn off, but at the same time you shouldn't bet your money on them since they are the ones that will most likely be overlooked by more prominent names out there. Support is perfectly reasonable, but expecting the spin off stuff will lead to disappointment.

 

[Arcadenik]

As if being a spin-off only character meant anything.

Funny you say this after you said this...

Why does it have to be a platforming Mario title and why would it make sense for Waluigi to play a part of it?

Why can't it be a major role in Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon to serve as his main purpose: Luigi's rival?
Why can't it be a major role (or as major as Mona or Jimmy T., I guess) in Game & Wario, finally making him a part of the WarioWare series?
Why can't it be a new Wario Land, considering that Wario is mentioned to have brought him on one of his treasure hunts in Super Sluggers?

It sounds like you are fully aware that being a spin-off-only character makes Waluigi unworthy of Smash and you want Waluigi to have roles in Super Mario Bros., Luigi's Mansion, WarioWare, or Wario Land games... basically anything that is not a Mario spin-off game like a tennis game or a golf game... just so Waluigi could have a fighting chance of getting in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Funny that you say that....

When you don't get the context of which it's being discussed.

Which, for your information, was what SmashChu said:

Waluigi is interesting. He used to be disliked during Brawl. Now, he is defiantly a contender in terms of popularity (you can see the various poll for that). I think people have warmed up to him, which is why there is demand for him to be in a main Mario title. That's the only thing holding him back.

Specifically the last part.
He's saying that the only thing holding Waluigi back is lack of a Super Mario (I'm using that to refer to the platforming series now. Just makes more sense). game appearance.
I'm merely giving other examples in how it doesn't take a Super Mario appearance to "release the chains" so to speak on what is holding him back for fan request to pull ahead. It could be a Luigi's Mansion appearance. It could be a Wario Land appearance. It could be a WarioWare appearance. It does not need to be a Super Mario appearance (and one would make no sense anyway).

I do not find him unworthy because of being a spin-off character, nor do I feel that he needs one of those to have a fighting chance.
I feel, however, that one of those can bring his requests to be higher than the current "tie" between him, Toad, and Paper Mario. (Although, a Wario Land/WarioWare appearance would heavily lower his competition, since he'd be competing for a Wario spot instead of a Mario one...)

Aside from that, if Pokemon can get an unworthy Pokemon like Jigglypuff, and Mario can get a spin-off character like Dr. Mario, then I fail to see the problem with Waluigi other than the typical "he's just a skinny Wario" BS.
EDIT: Oh, he's not important? Then tell me how Jigglypuff is important to the Pokemon series and why it/she should stay. And no, the "Original 12" argument doesn't count.
He's spin-off only? Didn't stop Dr. Mario, who was even planned to be re-added for Brawl.

 

[SmashChu]

Big difference here is Kuma's right 99% of the time.

Reaction images may not work well, but Youtube does

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The joke is most of what I'm saying is understanding the man who makes the game. It's funny how people think they know more than professionals. A good reason I need to up and leave. Better to deal with the real world.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Just because a professional says something doesn't mean it's automatically correct. Even professionals can be wrong for varies reasons, since their only human just like anyone else out there.

 

[Arcadenik]

The problem with your "but Dr. Mario got in and he's spin-off LOLOLOL" argument... is that Sakurai did not plan to add Dr. Mario in Melee. He added Dr. Mario as a last-minute clone because he felt Wario did not deserve to be a Mario clone and he needed someone easy to clone in order to buff the Melee roster. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why Dr. Mario didn't come back in Brawl despite being planned to come back. Dr. Mario is only Mario with a costume change, nothing more. That's why Sakurai didn't put such a high priority for Dr. Mario... he's merely Sakurai's backup plan in case he needed to buff the SSB4 roster.

As for Jigglypuff, I still want her cut. She's definitely not important. Like Dr. Mario, Jigglypuff is also Sakurai's backup plan in case he needed to buff the Brawl roster. That's why she is the last playable Pokemon character and one of the last characters added in Brawl. Difference is, Jigglypuff is unique and Dr. Mario is not, that's why Jigglypuff is in and Dr. Mario is not.

 

[N3ON]

Jigglypuff still made it in over Mewtwo. It would be unlikely she leaves at this point.

Personally though, I also could care less whether she stays or leaves.

 

[SmashChu]

Just because a professional says something doesn't mean it's automatically correct. Even professionals can be wrong for varies reasons, since their only human just like anyone else out there.

I tend to trust that the guys who made many commercial games (many selling over a million copies) knows more than someone on a message board who never made one. Yes, it is a fallacy to say that someone is right because of their profession. The difference is that Sakurai has proven himself time and time again. I'm sure his words have more weight.

As a note, I bring up sales because I try to understand why Super Smash Brothers is a best selling series why many fighting games are on the low end of sales (for commercial games). Many people would rather not understand that and strive to be right on the message boards. There is more joy is learning than being "right."

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo is more unique than Jigglypuff, who shares quite a bit with Kirby, yet Jigglypuff is in, and Mewtwo is not.

You know what that means?
That being unique meant ****.
Jigglypuff had higher priority because Jigglypuff was in both previous games, while Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr. Mario were only in Melee.
And it didn't have to be Dr. Mario, but it still was Dr. Mario anyway. Hell, he didn't even need to give Mario a clone. He could have given someone else the clone instead. But he felt Dr. Mario needed to be in because:
-He was from a critically-acclaimed retro game (Dr. Mario 64 was not released in Japan, though Nintendo Puzzle Collection for the Gamecube included the game years later)
-The team wanted to include his music (though why it didn't do anything for Mach Rider confuses me...)
-"A doctor would probably be on hand at an event as violent as Smash Bros." (Which supports my idea of making him into a combat medic fighter)

 

[ChronoBound]

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The joke is most of what I'm saying is understanding the man who makes the game. It's funny how people think they know more than professionals. A good reason I need to up and leave. Better to deal with the real world.

I am definitely leaving the Smash Bros. community after Smash 4. Brawl added nearly every character I wanted, and Smash 4 will hopefully add the remaining handful.

I am really anxious for the E3 2013 reveal, because there is a good chance that the two newcomers I want the most (Ridley and Mega Man) will be confirmed within the unveil trailer.

Six months is going to be a really long wait. I remember when there was people expecting E3 2012 to be the big reveal date (back before Uprising was delayed that is). Its funny to see how a year ago many people were thinking we would already know the first newcomers for Smash 4 a year from then, but a year later we are still waiting.

Hopefully, there will be some Pokemon stuff to talk about in a few days in relation to Smash 4.

 

[Arcadenik]

Jigglypuff still made it in over Mewtwo. It would be unlikely she leaves at this point.

Because we already had a furry-like Pokemon, Mewtwo would be repetitive and Jigglypuff isn't anything like the other playable Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

Because we already had a furry-like Pokemon, Mewtwo would be repetitive and Jigglypuff isn't anything like the other playable Pokemon.

Mewtwo is furry? First I've heard of that bull.

Mewtwo has less in common with Lucario than Jigglypuff has with Kirby.
(inb4butkirbyisnotapokemon)


The only reason Jigglypuff had priority was because of being in both previous Smash titles. That's it. Everything else is just bull.

 

[Arcadenik]

Mewtwo is furry? First I've heard of that bull.

Mewtwo has less in common with Lucario than Jigglypuff has with Kirby.
(inb4butkirbyisnotapokemon)

The fact people instantly believed Lucario replaced Mewtwo when Brawl's final roster was revealed speaks volumes. The first thought is usually the correct one. But if you like to second guess yourself, be my guest.

And I said furry-like.

 

[FlareHabanero]

From what I've read, Dr. Mario was included because Sakurai liked the remix of Dr. Mario's Fever in Super Smash Bros. Melee.

I can understand why.

 

[Gamingboy]

I always kind of wonder if the fact Mewtwo didn't make it back in was because there was no way they could put him in without him feeling greatly underpowered, and the way they put him in SSBM made him EXTREMELY underpowered. I've said this before, but legendary Pokemon just don't really work in Smash, since by their very nature they are supposed to be near-gamebreaker final boss material. It'd be like if they were to put in Ganon instead of Ganondorf.

 

[Deleted member]

The fact people instantly believed Lucario replaced Mewtwo when Brawl's final roster was revealed speaks volumes. The first thought is usually the correct one. But if you like to second guess yourself, be my guest.

And I said furry-like.

People also instantly believed R.O.B. was a horrible choice in character.
He's not viewed as such as much these days....
But, if the first thought is usually the correct one....

...then R.O.B. WAS a horrible choice in character.

You see, it's things like this that give me a hard time taking you seriously, Cade.

 

[ChronoBound]

Personally though, I also could care less whether she stays or leaves.

Not sure if

Jigglypuff is an icon to Smash Bros. at first point. One of those characters that is more iconic to Smash than their own series (Sheik would be another example of this, and perhaps Zero Suit Samus as well).

It would be a shame for Jigglypuff to leave since she was part of the Original 12, in Smash Bros. since the very beginning.

There was something of a charm seeing Jigglypuff in Smash 64 alongside major Nintendo icons back when Smash 64 was first released. I really did not understand at the time why Jigglypuff was picked. I originally thought that they wanted to give Pokemon a second playable character since it was such a huge phenomenon, but they did not know who to put in, so they picked a second Pokemon randomly, so and it ended up being Jigglypuff.
e SNES.

 

[Gamingboy]

There was something of a charm seeing Jigglypuff in Smash 64 alongside major Nintendo icons back when Smash 64 was first released. I really did not understand at the time why Jigglypuff was picked. I originally thought that they wanted to give Pokemon a second playable character since it was such a huge phenomenon, but they did not know who to put in, so they picked a second Pokemon randomly, so and it ended up being Jigglypuff.
e SNES.

It was a mix of Jigglypuff being one of the most popular Pokemon after Pikachu at the time, as well as the fact that some of the Kirby stuff could be applied to her.

 

[Arcadenik]

People also instantly believed R.O.B. was a horrible choice in character.
He's not viewed as such as much these days....
But, if the first thought is usually the correct one....

...then R.O.B. WAS a horrible choice in character.

Second guessing already?

 

[ChronoBound]

It was a mix of Jigglypuff being one of the most popular Pokemon after Pikachu at the time, as well as the fact that some of the Kirby stuff could be applied to her.

I said that at the time (1999) I did not know why Jigglypuff was put in. I am pretty sure most of the Western Smash Bros. fanbase was also scratching their heads on her inclusion as well at that time. I remember lots of people thinking back during pre-Melee that Jigglypuff did not deserve a spot on Smash 64's roster.

There was something of a charm seeing Jigglypuff in Smash 64 alongside major Nintendo icons back when Smash 64 was first released. I really did not understand at the time why Jigglypuff was picked. I originally thought that they wanted to give Pokemon a second playable character since it was such a huge phenomenon, but they did not know who to put in, so they picked a second Pokemon randomly, so and it ended up being Jigglypuff.
e SNES.

 

[Deleted member]

You see, it's things like this that give me a hard time taking you seriously, Cade.

You never cease to amuse me, Cade.
Between you and HyperFalcon, I don't know who I take less serious.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I always thought Jigglypuff was included to make a character fill in the "Joke Character" niche, you know something ridiculous that stands out from the crowd and makes the opponent feel embarrassed whenever they lose to it. A lot of fighting games did that ether simply because of humor or to trick the player into missing out on something with great potential and the opportunity of humiliation.

 

[Gamingboy]

I said that at the time (1999) I did not know why Jigglypuff was put in.

Ah, sorry. Didn't read close enough.

 

[N3ON]

Not sure if

Jigglypuff is an icon to Smash Bros. at first point. One of those characters that is more iconic to Smash than their own series (Sheik would be another example of this, and perhaps Zero Suit Samus as well).

It would be a shame for Jigglypuff to leave since she was part of the Original 12, in Smash Bros. since the very beginning.

There was something of a charm seeing Jigglypuff in Smash 64 alongside major Nintendo icons back when Smash 64 was first released. I really did not understand at the time why Jigglypuff was picked. I originally thought that they wanted to give Pokemon a second playable character since it was such a huge phenomenon, but they did not know who to put in, so they picked a second Pokemon randomly, so and it ended up being Jigglypuff.
e SNES.

I just don't much care for Jigglypuff. I never really liked the Pokemon, and I didn't much like the Smash character either. I (eventually) understood why she was added, it makes sense, and I don't begrudge the addition, but personally I have no attachment to the character.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect she'll leave now (I guess at this point she has tenure ), nor do I think she should be or would advocate for her being cut, but hypothetically if she was cut (which I know she won't be), I wouldn't much care either way. Just my opinion, I'm sure many other people have a character they would be indifferent towards the exclusion of.

Don't worry, I know she's firmly secured her place in Smash.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Jiggs thought is pretty much a Killer Rabbit in competitive Smash nowadays, hahum. I dunno if I care to see her back this time, though.

 

[ChronoBound]

I have really thought about Star's comment about how much on the requests on Nintendo's facebook for Smash 4 newcomers are absurd and that there is no consensus. I am feeling that this game will pretty much be the last game in which there is a multitude of characters that a lot of people can agree on in regards to their inclusion.

The Japanese Smash Bros. fanbase is much closer to that point than we are. Outside of flavors-of-the-month for FE and Pokemon and the two cut Melee guys, the only characters that get a lot of requests there are Mega Man, Palutena, Shulk, K. Rool, and Dixie Kong.

 

[Deleted member]

I just don't much care for Jigglypuff. I never really liked the Pokemon, and I didn't much like the Smash character either. I (eventually) understood why she was added, it makes sense, and I don't begrudge the addition, but personally I have no attachment to the character.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect she'll leave now (I guess at this point she has tenure ), nor do I think she should be or would advocate for her being cut, but hypothetically if she was cut (which I know she won't be), I wouldn't much care either way. Just my opinion, I'm sure many other people have a character they would be indifferent towards the exclusion of.

Don't worry, I know she's firmly secured her place in Smash.

I feel the same exact way as you do N3ON. I don't particularly care too much for her character either, but the argument that she's a Smash Bros. Character is certainly a strong one. I personally would have preferred Meowth or someone else, but... Oh well. It is what it is.


Speaking of HyperFalcon, it's been a while since I've seen him post...

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know if I've posted it here or not, but I believe there was a cut character from an unrepped series (other than Animal Crossing) judging by music data. One that does not appear in the character data (unless "pra_mai" actually refers to that character).

Starting with the Victory Fanfares

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Z01-Mario
Z02-Donkey Kong
Z03-Link
Z04-Samus
Z05-Yoshi
Z06-Kirby
Z07-Fox
Z08-Pikachu
Z09-Luigi (UNUSED)
Z10-Captain Falcon
Z11-Ness
Z12-Bowser (UNUSED)
Z13-Peach (UNUSED)
Z14-Zelda (UNUSED)
Z15-Sheik (UNUSED)
Z16-Ice Climbers
Z17-Marth
Z18-Mr. Game & Watch
Z19-Falco (UNUSED)
Z20-Ganondorf (UNUSED)
Z21-Wario
Z22-Meta Knight
Z23-Pit
Z24-Zero Suit Samus (UNUSED)
Z25-Olimar
Z26-Lucas (UNUSED)
Z27-Diddy Kong (UNUSED)
Z28-Pokemon Trainer (UNUSED)
Z29-MISSING (Going by Brawl data, this would be Charizard)
Z30-MISSING (Going by Brawl data, this would be Squirtle)
Z31-MISSING (Going by Brawl data, this would be Ivysaur)
Z32-King Dedede (UNUSED)
Z33-Lucario (UNUSED)
Z34-Ike (UNUSED)
Z35-R.O.B.
Z36-MISSING (Unknown)
Z37-Jigglypuff (UNUSED)
Z38-Mewtwo (UNUSED)
Z39-Roy (UNUSED)
Z40-MISSING (Because of placement, this would Dr. Mario)
Z41-Toon Link (UNUSED)
Z42-MISSING (Because of placement, this would be Wolf)
Z43-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z44-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z45-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any Newcomer after Wolf)
Z46-Snake
Z47-Sonic
Z48-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any 3rd Party after Sonic)
Z49-MISSING (Unknown; possibly placeholder data for any 3rd Party after Sonic)

Z50-Z58 are fanfares unrelated to characters.

Outside of placeholder non-guests after Wolf and placeholder guests after Sonic, there is one missing victory theme that is rather peculiar. The one inbetween R.O.B. and Jigglypuff.

Then the music data itself, which is labeled in alphabetical order.

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A-Mario
B-Donkey Kong
C-Legend of Zelda
D-Metroid
E-Yoshi
F-Kirby
G-StarFox
H-Pokemon
I-F-Zero
J-Fire Emblem
K-Mother
L-Pikmin
M-WarioWare
N-Animal Crossing
O-MISSING (???)
P-Kid Icarus
Q-Retro Nintendo
R-Modern Nintendo
S-Metal Gear
T-Melee Remixes
U-Sonic the Hedgehog
V-MISSING
W-Melee Originals
X-Brawl
Y-Subspace Emissary
Z-Victory Themes

There is one missing Nintendo series, possibly one that has to do with that victory fanfare between R.O.B. and Jigglypuff.
There is also a missing one after Sonic, but I feel that may have been a placeholder for another 3rd Party.

I wonder who it could have been....is it possibly one of the Assist Trophy series like Starfy (due to Starly's/Stapy's trophy being "Fighter Related") or Saki (Sakurai did say that he "did what he could to include him"...)?
Or perhaps a non-Retro series that has NOTHING (not even a song)?

Although, even though I said it could be related to "pra_mai", it most likely isn't, given that if the songs were removed from the data, the character would have likely been as well.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I have really thought about Star's comment about how much on the requests on Nintendo's facebook for Smash 4 newcomers are absurd and that there is no consensus. I am feeling that this game will pretty much be the last game in which there is a multitude of characters that a lot of people can agree on in regards to their inclusion.

The Japanese Smash Bros. fanbase is much closer to that point than we are. Outside of flavors-of-the-month for FE and Pokemon and the two cut Melee guys, the only characters that get a lot of requests there are Mega Man, Palutena, Shulk, K. Rool, and Dixie Kong.

Sad to hear they don't want to see Ridley (though I guess since Metroid's not huge in Japan... that might explain why)

 

[FlareHabanero]

The Japanese Smash Bros. fanbase is much closer to that point than we are. Outside of flavors-of-the-month for FE and Pokemon and the two cut Melee guys, the only characters that get a lot of requests there are Mega Man, Palutena, Shulk, K. Rool, and Dixie Kong.

I think this will be the game where suggestions for newcomers will be slightly more focused on the west since we're in general less stingy. Though at the same time, some stuff does seem to be even across the board, which might be a good thing to avoid too much lopsided support.

On a related note, I still find it extremely ironic that Takamaru has more interest in the west despite Mysterious Murasame Castle never being released outside of Japan.

 

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@Jigglypuff: She beat out Mewtwo twice for a spot in Smash. Nuff said.

I do think she adds a lot to the game so I'm glad she was added. Maybe I'm getting old but she was a big Pokemon character back in the day who had a large effect on the series and has become a staple of Smash, as for why she was picked though it's anyone's guess (Meowth sucks and Mewtwo was too technical ). Honestly, right now she's more deserving than any of the Gen 5 Pokemon.