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[Deleted member]

Too bad that Gun Kata is useless if not resulting in you somehow killing yourself.

Watch Saki mains mash D all day long.

Noel users in a nutshell, ahahahahaha. Just spam that Drive 'all day erryday.' But it's not like Smash isn't already without its newbie friendly spammable moves. Back in the days of Melee there was this one dude in our circle of friends who we called 'No-Skills' because he would always pick the characters with the most spammable moves (Link's Spin Attack, Samus' Screw Attack and Charge Beam, DK's v+B), and Spam the **** outta them. Which was hilarious in FFA's. Everyone would get all pissed and he's get cocky, then me or my old buddy would dash in and kick his *** for a straight 5 for 0, good times man.

 

[ChronoBound]

First I've heard of this and it seems odd since the general pattern seemed to be 2 games per continent barring the original which has 4 games and 2 remakes. There were rumors of another Ike game due to how FE10 ended, but it could also be interpreted as open-ended. Also I don't remember how FE6 ended, all I remember is killing a dragon. Any sauce, I'd like to read it.

Here is where the interest about a FE6 remake comes from:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=71773

Its funny how each of their desires happened with a Fire Emblem game after Shadow Dragon.

FE12: Contained a remake of Akaneia Senki.
FE13: Basically Fire Emblem All-Stars
FE14: FE6 remake?

 

[Arcadenik]

The Japanese fanbase is under the assumption that either Ike or Chrom is going to be on the roster, not both.

The strong negative reaction to Roy being cut in Japan is basically going to keep Sakurai's hands tied in regards to Fire Emblem. There is a very strong movement to bring Roy back that he is very likely aware, and he most likely knows he will end up creating a strong Ike movement for Smash 5 if he ends up cutting him. He probably also knows that Chrom is the most current lord, but if he does not place him in this time, there will be far less people asking about it when Smash 5 rolls around.

I am betting Ike and Roy will be used to promote future Fire Emblem games. Ike will be used to promote a future FE game with Paris, while Roy will be used to promote a FE6 remake (which the IS higher-ups have an interest in).

Melee - adds Marth and Roy, fans start to love them

Brawl - keeps Marth, cuts Roy, adds Ike, fans start to love Ike, fans want Roy to return

SSB4 - keeps Marth, cuts Ike, adds Chrom, Roy returns, fans start to love Chrom, fans want Ike to return

SSB5 - keeps Marth and Roy, cuts Chrom, adds New Lord 1, Ike returns, fans start to love New Lord 1, fans want Chrom to return

SSB6 - keeps Marth and Roy and Ike, cuts New Lord 1, adds New Lord 2, Chrom returns, fans start to love New Lord 2, fans want New Lord 1 to return

...and so on.

Yeah, Sakurai's hands are tied. Then again, you cannot make a Smash roster without pissing off fans.

 

[Deleted member]

Here is where the interest about a FE6 remake comes from:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=71773

Its funny how each of their desires happened with a Fire Emblem game after Shadow Dragon.

FE12: Contained a remake of Akaneia Senki.
FE13: Basically Fire Emblem All-Stars
FE14: FE6 remake?

Interesting, personally I'd rather they either take from FE2, 4 or 5 for their next games. Or if they're gonna go remake. Remake one of those 3. Especially 2 and 4. I have a thing for Black Sheep (FE2, Zelda 2, Mario Sunshine), and FE4 was a masterpiece worthy of a remake. But if they wanna re-introduce Roy... well, they should at least do it with a new game than a remake.

@Arc

Or people can just be reasonable and put up with the idea of characters staying cut. The MvC fanbase (barring Megaman fans), the SF fanbase, the Tekken fanbase, the DoA fanbase, the SC fanbase, etc.. don't throw such hissy fits over cuts. And those games have less of an excuse since they're not representing evolving franchises, hell, even the hardcore BB waifu***s understood Nu getting cut in CS (granted they still threw a hissy fit, enough to get her death retconned so she could return in CP).

 

[ChronoBound]

But if they wanna re-introduce Roy... well, they should at least do it with a new game than a remake.

My theory is that if/when a FE6 remake does happen, it is broken up into two parts. The first half of the game is a remake of FE6, while the second half of it is a sequel to it (or rather a Book II).

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

Too bad that Gun Kata is useless if not resulting in you somehow killing yourself in real life, but it IS awesome as hell in videogames.

Watch Saki mains mash D all day long.

While I totally support the gun kata playstyle, he better at least use his sword for some moves...

 

[Deleted member]

My theory is that if/when a FE6 remake does happen, it is broken up into two parts. The first half of the game is a remake of FE6, while the second half of it is a sequel to it (or rather a Book II).

I guess that could work since my biggest gripe with FE6 is how short it felt. I could see them doing it considering how much they seem to love FE3.

 

[Arcadenik]

My theory is that if/when a FE6 remake does happen, it is broken up into two parts. The first half of the game is a remake of FE6, while the second half of it is a sequel to it (or rather a Book II).

Or... maybe the first half is FE7, you know, the one where you play as Roy's father, and then in the second half is FE6, where Roy grows up. And then Lyn fanbase, Hector fanbase, and Eliwood fanbase simultaneously explode to challenge Roy fanbase just like in the pre-Brawl days.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So FE7 and FE6 basically become fused and we get a game similar to FE4 and FE13? Seems reasonable, but don't think it's too likely. Maybe after FE13's succes, they'll start working on a remake of FE4 instead because of how similar it is to FE13? Remember how that game also never saw the light in the west, and is still highly regarded by Japanese fans?

 

[ChronoBound]

So FE7 and FE6 basically become fused and we get a game similar to FE4 and FE13? Seems reasonable, but don't think it's too likely. Maybe after FE13's succes, they'll start working on a remake of FE4 instead because of how similar it is to FE13? Remember how that game also never saw the light in the west, and is still highly regarded by Japanese fans?

I don't think a FE6 remake would have FE7 attached to it. I can see it being FE6 and an entirely new Elibe storyline.

 

[Deleted member]

Or... maybe the first half is FE7, you know, the one where you play as Roy's father, and then in the second half is FE6, where Roy grows up. And then Lyn fanbase, Hector fanbase, and Eliwood fanbase simultaneously explode to challenge Roy fanbase just like in the pre-Brawl days.

Eliwood has a fanbase?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Suggestions for a plot then maybe? Cause after Bern's defeat and the dragons being gone, what else could possibly endanger Roy and his army? Nergal's return perhaps? Etruria suddenly wanting to conquer all of Elibe? Not too sure how it would work out...

 

[Deleted member]

and is still highly regarded by Japanese fans?

And Western fans alike. Many western fans imported that game just to get a chance at playing it. Not to mention it is considered the best in the series, well at least according to /feg/ and I agree.

 

[ChronoBound]

Suggestions for a plot then maybe? Cause after Bern's defeat and the dragons being gone, what else could possibly endanger Roy and his army? Nergal's return perhaps? Etruria suddenly wanting to conquer all of Elibe? Not too sure how it would work out...

Well for the FE6 remake, I would imagine that the FE6 remake part of the game ends when you kill Zephiel (and there is no plot about collecting all the holy weapons to fight Idoun). In the original FE6, if you don't collect all the holy weapons, Brunya (one of Zephiel's generals) escapes with Idoun (the maiden who is the dark dragon). Have Yahn (the great dragon general still alive from The Scouring) be the main antagonist of Book II and have it take place 10 years after the end of Book 1 (FE6). Book II basically ends the same way as the original FE6 did, having to find all the holy weapons to find out where Idoun is hidden and to fight her.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Could be? Or Zephiel gets a similar treatment to the Black Knight in FE10? Somehow surviving the end of the war, and returning for MASSIVE REVENGE. Dunno though, not sure if it'd work to just collect the holy weapons without having a story related around a massive war which explains why the weapons are needed... FE6 remake could also have BOTH Sacae and Ilia routes also to make it somewhat longer. As well as maybe, a few chapters where you get to play with Eliwood's army defending Lycia from Bern? Or you get to play as Hector, fighting his hopeless battle against the two Dragon Lords holding out as long as possbile? Just throwing out ideas...

Speaking of Fire Emblem... The story around Zelgius and the Black Knight still somehow confuses me... How can one be so honorable yet so murderous at the same time? The Black Knight had no REAL motive to kill Greil in the end I feel. How did he end up getting so twisted, yet still keeps up with his honorable appearance? Was it all an act?

EDIT: We need to get this Fire Emblem discussion to some other place I think. It's been going on for days, but I kinda like it. Anyone having complaints?

 

[ChronoBound]

Could be? Or Zephiel gets a similar treatment to the Black Knight in FE10?

That trope of a FE villain dying and then being "lol I am actually alive" started with FE3. A lot of the bad guys of FE1 that died or appeared to have died, returned for FE3 (Medeus, Garnef, Michelis, Camus).

 

[Diddy Kong]

Medeus gets revived though so he was actually killed, yet the other 3 are serious trolls who faked their deaths. The Black Knight didn't do that though. He was just ASSUMED to be dead.

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly think that Ike has a slightly better shot at returning than Lucario. For Fire Emblem, I imagine the competition is between Roy and Chrom whereas I imagine that for Pokemon, if it comes down to five slots, they will either pick Lucario or Zoroark.

That said, I expect both to return.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

If they do remake FE6, I hope they decide to include a few of the characters from FE7 that weren't originally in FE6. Even if they just cameo for a bit.

 

[ChronoBound]

If they do remake FE6, I hope they decide to include a few of the characters from FE7 that weren't originally in FE6. Even if they just cameo for a bit.

That will definitely happen. Lyn will also almost certainly make an appearance or be mentioned as well. There would definitely be a lot more FE7 characters in a FE6 remake.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Jaffar, Renault, Rath, Lyn, Geitz... Not sure who else would fit...

 

[Deleted member]

Just saw GameFAQs's Chrom Rate Their Chances thread and there are way too many 90%+ vote.

Posting there after I get off work.

 

[Deleted member]

Could be? Or Zephiel gets a similar treatment to the Black Knight in FE10? Somehow surviving the end of the war, and returning for MASSIVE REVENGE. Dunno though, not sure if it'd work to just collect the holy weapons without having a story related around a massive war which explains why the weapons are needed... FE6 remake could also have BOTH Sacae and Ilia routes also to make it somewhat longer. As well as maybe, a few chapters where you get to play with Eliwood's army defending Lycia from Bern? Or you get to play as Hector, fighting his hopeless battle against the two Dragon Lords holding out as long as possbile? Just throwing out ideas...

EDIT: We need to get this Fire Emblem discussion to some other place I think. It's been going on for days, but I kinda like it. Anyone having complaints?

No complaints here, I love Fire Emblem, and there's not much else worth talking about.

Anyway, everyone keeps confusing me, FE7 is a prequel. Unless you mean the beginning of the supposed remake adding a bit of extended FE7, which could be cool I guess. I'd like to get the chance at seeing Hector bravely fighting a hopeless battle. Also, said game could also clear up the whole thing on who ended up being Roy's mom, Lyn or that Blue haired chick whose name eludes me (my money is on the latter), and give us a canon ending for Lyn as well, since she was a late addition to FE7 and thus missing from the FE6 canon.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

That will definitely happen. Lyn will also almost certainly make an appearance or be mentioned as well. There would definitely be a lot more FE7 characters in a FE6 remake.

Yeah, Lyn is a given. I think it's probable we'll see Geitz and maybe Rath or Lucius. Anyone else you think would show up?

#offtopic

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lucius will be killed of though, so maybe he could be there when Hector is fighting that hopeless battle? To ACTUALLY acchieve a victory, make it so that you have to last at least a couple of turns, because Hector gets treathens that if he doesn't live up to the fight they'll go ravage Eliwood instead (and Lilina his daughter is staying with him).

Still bothered about Zelgius though. Don't really like the idea of killing of a dude who suffered so much. Then again, why did he murder Greil in the first place? HE HAD NO REASONZ!

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Lucius will be killed of though, so maybe he could be there when Hector is fighting that hopeless battle? To ACTUALLY acchieve a victory, make it so that you have to last at least a couple of turns, because Hector gets treathens that if he doesn't live up to the fight they'll go ravage Eliwood instead (and Lilina his daughter is staying with him).

I think they could retcon some of the characters who were originally dead in FE6 to not be dead anymore.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hector seems unbelievable though... Maybe through the Aum Staff? Where you are able to pick an AMAZING unit from FE7 who died for the cause of 'great justice' to function as your 'Athos' archetype character in one of the later chapters?

 

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I'd personally rather see a remake of Gaiden first, but Roy does deserve a proper introduction to the west. Anyway I'm guessing the next FE game won't be announced until late next year at the earliest (honestly it depends on how long IS wants to continue making DLC for FE13 lol).

Speaking of FE, I'm currently on Chapter 5 of FE12. It's definitely easier than the original game. My Unit is great and the prologue chapters make it easy to level up certain characters for later (such as Est). Either way I'm definitely loving the music the most, I'd love to see a Mystery of the Emblem Medley in a similar vein to Brawl's Shadow Dragon Medley.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Hector seems unbelievable though... Maybe through the Aum Staff?

Yeah, I mean characters like Canas or Lucius who deaths weren't super important to the story.

Edit:@Tri

you mean Prologue 5 or Chapter 5? Because they're different. Anyway, FE12 is pretty cool. (BTW, reclass Draug to a Hunter. Trust me on this)

 

[ChronoBound]

I think they could retcon some of the characters who were originally dead in FE6 to not be dead anymore.

FE12 did

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retcon the deaths of some of the characters that originally died in FE3's Book II

, so its possible for Hector's own death to be retconned, though very unlikely, due to how Hector's death was an important storyline event in FE6.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

FE12 did retcon the deaths of some of the characters that originally died in FE3's Book II, so its possible for Hector's own death to be retconned, though very unlikely, due to how Hector's death was an important storyline event in FE6.

Well, yeah, I'm talking about characters like Canas, Rath, and/or Lucius whose deaths weren't super important to the story.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of FE, I'm currently on Chapter 5 of FE12. It's definitely easier than the original game. My Unit is great and the prologue chapters make it easy to level up certain characters for later (such as Est). Either way I'm definitely loving the music the most, I'd love to see a Mystery of the Emblem Medley in a similar vein to Brawl's Shadow Dragon Medley.

Is it really that much easier? 3 star mode in Shadow Dragon was rather pathetic imo, especially when in contrast with FE5 and 10. Do they have difficulty modes like in 11? Can you skip the prologue chapters like in 11?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, not to the main story. But a lot of supports still rely around the deaths of those two. Especially with Lugh / his thief friend (WE GOTSTA AVENGE FATHER!) or Niime and Hugh (BOY YOU JUST AS LAZY AS YOU NO GOOD FATHER, WHO'S ACTUALLY THE GREATEST MAN EVER- ever told you he was a Dark Mage just like me?). So yeah, I don't think those deaths can be erased from the game.

For everyone else: Aum Staff baby.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Well, not to the main story. But a lot of supports still rely around the deaths of those two. Especially with Lugh / his thief friend (WE GOTSTA AVENGE FATHER!) or Niime and Hugh (BOY YOU JUST AS LAZY AS YOU NO GOOD FATHER, WHO'S ACTUALLY THE GREATEST MAN EVER- ever told you he was a Dark Mage just like me?). So yeah, I don't think those deaths can be erased from the game.

Well, I haven't played FE6, so I wouldn't know about stuff like that. But still, I'm sure there's some that could be easily written away.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, read up the supports of Lugh and Chad, or Chad and um.. The Dark Mage brother of Lugh. They all talk about the death of the father of their church and orphanage, which was Lucius. Niime is the grandmother of Canas as well, and Hugh is his son (who refuses to learn Dark Magic but goes Anima magic, for good reasons, it's overpowered as **** in FE6) and their support talks talk a lot about Canas, and how he was so awesome at Dark Magic.

 

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Is it really that much easier? 3 star mode in Shadow Dragon was rather pathetic imo, especially when in contrast with FE5 and 10. Do they have difficulty modes like in 11? Can you skip the prologue chapters like in 11?

Maybe it's because it's my second time playing through FE3, but for the most part yes. My Unit makes a huge difference and the prologue/extra chapters are good for extra experience. You also have stuff like Forging/Drill Grounds/How's Everyone for even more supports/extra items and experience.

Yes there are multiple difficulties, even one beyond Lunatic. And no you cannot skip the prologue chapters.

My only complaint is that the Orb Shards don't increase your growth rates anymore, instead giving minor stat boosts when equipped.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

While we're talking about an FE6 remake(I'm going to call it FE6+ from now on), I just realized that even though it would seem logical to put Lyn in FE6+, it might not be a great idea given you'd have to deal with the thorny issue of who she wound up wiht at the end of FE7. This issue would be solve, though, if they remade FE6 and 7 together.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lyn is a selfish DASTARD that wanted to live on the plains, regardless of giving birth to Roy / whoever or not. Problem solved. Lyn, you heartless CUR!

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[Robert of Normandy]

Lyn is a selfish DASTARD that wanted to live on the plains, regardless of giving birth to Roy / whoever or not. Problem solved. Lyn, you heartless CUR!

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Still seems like someone would have to acknowledge it. And if she's Sue's mother, there's no question Sue would recognize her.

Personally, I think a combination of FE6 and 7 would be great. While I don't think they would be integrated quite the same way as FE4s halves were, I think that how you played FE7 would affect a few things here and there in FE6.

Edit: Also, I think Rebecca should show up as well.

 

[Aipom]

Jeez, I wish I was more familiar with the Fire Emblem series so I could contribute something useful to the debate