Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Aipom]

I'd like to see a Mach Rider sequel, It'd be pretty nice in the hands of the proper development team. Also, I'd like to see Golden Sun revived, it'd be a huge shame if the series ended that way

 

[FlareHabanero]

I wouldn't want a Mach Rider reboot in this day and age.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Well maybe you'll get your wish when in a couple of years every single Nintendo IP gets transferred to Retro due to fan demand.



Because we all know voice actors make the best developers.
(Though Hayter is admittedly a pretty decent writer)

EDIT: lol I forgot Sakurai is also technically a "voice actor". I'll be eating my words now.



I think Tecmo might also be a possible good fit for the series, given their past work on Fatal Frame and their relationship to Nintendo, but I can also see them not really capturing the feel or "spirit" of ED, if that makes any sense, as ED is kind of a "western" horror game and Fatal Frame is a very "eastern" horror series. Oh well, I still think it might be worth a shot.

What if the sequel takes place in Japan for some reason?

 

[Aipom]

I believe I saw some discussion about Barbara Bat earlier on. I feel like she'll probably stay an assist trophy, but it'd be interesting to see how she'd turn out as a playable character

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

You know, I've been thinking. Now that Nintendo owns Fatal Frame, could we possibly see some representation in Sm4sh? I was thinking a stage or an assist trophy would be awesome, but I doubt we'd get a character.

Spirit Camera as an item... Yep best idea ever.

 

[Frostwraith]

Nintendo owns Fatal Frame? o.O

that Spirit Camera item would do what? summon ghosts and other scary stuff to obstruct the view?

 

[8-peacock-8]

You know, I've been thinking. Now that Nintendo owns Fatal Frame, could we possibly see some representation in Sm4sh? I was thinking a stage or an assist trophy would be awesome, but I doubt we'd get a character.

Spirit Camera as an item... Yep best idea ever.

I love the item idea. lol

Heres an idea for how Nintendo could rep their mature franchises.
Character Rep: Eternal Darkness (Assist or playable)
Stage rep: Geist (And Eternal Darkness)
item rep: Fatal Frame!

 

[Frostwraith]

if Alexandra becomes playable, I think she should have her Eternal Darkness-themed stage.

 

[Aipom]

I love the item idea. lol

Heres an idea for how Nintendo could rep their mature franchises.
Character Rep: Eternal Darkness (Assist or playable)
Stage rep: Geist
item rep: Fatal Frame!

That is just fantastic! That's a great way to represent them all

 

[8-peacock-8]

if Alexandra becomes playable, I think she should have her Eternal Darkness-themed stage.

Of course.

That is just fantastic! That's a great way to represent them all

It works out perfectly in the end.

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

Nintendo owns Fatal Frame? o.O

that Spirit Camera item would do what? summon ghosts and other scary stuff to obstruct the view?

Yeah Nintendo bought it after Fatal frame 4.

And I suspect the spirit camera could work like you press A and the camera flashes, and a ghost appears where ever you take a picture, and say you take a picture right in front of an enemy, the ghost could appear behind the opponent and latch onto them, or just flat out attack.

Love the idea of Alexandra as an assist though, with Geist getting a stage. Might as well add Zangeki no Reginleiv as another Nintendo mature rep for the Japanese players, I could see an assist or some music (as it's soundtrack is dang good)

 

[8-peacock-8]

The reason why i'm pushing for the mature franchises now is because this is most likely the final smash in a long time. (As other have said) Nintendo should really consider giving these franchises the attention they deserve. (Even if Fatal Frame and Eternal Darkness are probably the only choices that they'd use)

Yeah Nintendo bought it after Fatal frame 4.

And I suspect the spirit camera could work like you press A and the camera flashes, and a ghost appears where ever you take a picture, and say you take a picture right in front of an enemy, the ghost could appear behind the opponent and latch onto them, or just flat out attack.

Love the idea of Alexandra as an assist though, with Geist getting a stage. Might as well add Zangeki no Reginleiv as another Nintendo mature rep for the Japanese players, I could see an assist or some music (as it's soundtrack is dang good)

Definitely should be represented in some way.

 

[SmashChu]

Monolith Soft Golden Sun would be epic.

On Golden Sun: Camelot still retains rights to it. Nintendo doesn't not wholly own it. Camelot would have to be willing to let Monolith do it or Nintendo would have to buy the series outright.

 

[Deleted member]

@Chronobound

Look, I have neither the interest nor the energy to nitpick at all the things that were biased and wrong in your reply and continue this rather petty argument. I think it's become very clear you and I are of opposite opinions and neither one of us is going to convince the other to see things from their perspective.

However, I agree with JPW, you're putting too much faith on Roy's return. My opinion stands as it is, and I will continue to say that Roy is, as of today, rather irrelevant to the Fire Emblem series, and I don't see him making the roster in Smash 4 over Chrom and Ike. The only way I see Roy getting in (the official roster), is if Chrom or Ike don't get into Smash 4, and we get at least 3 different lords, which I see as very unlikely. If we get 3 lords in Smash 4, it'll be to retain Ike.

Now, as I said before I can see Roy being a DLC character if they implement it (which they likely will) simply due to his popularity.

If you want to disagree, you are more than entitled to do so and have your own opinion. If what I say bothers you so much, then put your money where your mouth is. As dumb as I find Internet bets, this is clearly a case of pride. Neither of us is willing to concede, yet retain different opinions on the matter. Therefore, in the case of someone not paying up, it is the same as conceding. A simple 20 Euro bet sounds reasonable for something like this, doncha think?. Not overblown nor exaggerated, but reasonable enough to make it a matter of pride. I am a man of my word an I will pay up if I lose, I have no problem swallowing my pride when I'm wrong, and if you don't pay up I really don't care, as it's still a victory, and the money doesn't matter to me.

Oh, and one more thing, you have any sauce on Leaf being the Smash Melee pick over Sigrud? I've actually heard otherwise, but it seems I'm wrong on that one.

Anyway, with that behind us I'm gonna go chill out with some MonHun.

Also, someone here mentioned a roster where Mach Rider was added with a "stylish gun-style." Gun Kata anyone? I could go for a C.Falcon(Kamen Rider)+Noel Vermillion mix on his character. That actually sounds quite cool to be honest.

A Close Range, heavy hitting, in-your-face Gun user would be interesting to play as and brings forth tons of unique play-styles to the table. Especially if his Bike is added somehow as well (you know me, I take a preference to unique play-styles when it comes to characters). Also, I was always of the opinion that guns weren't added in Smash due to the fact that they would be cheap, not because they were "too mature," but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[FlareHabanero]

A lot of the 2nd party stuff also falls into a similar situation. Nintendo doesn't own any of them technically speaking, but only publishes them.

 

[ChronoBound]

However, I agree with JPW, you're putting too much faith on Roy's return. My opinion stands as it is, and I will continue to say that Roy is, as of today, rather irrelevant to the Fire Emblem series, and I don't see him making the roster in Smash 4 over Chrom and Ike. The only way I see Roy getting in (the official roster), is if Chrom or Ike don't get into Smash 4, and we get at least 3 different lords, which I see as very unlikely. If we get 3 lords in Smash 4, it'll be to retain Ike.

I can't see Chrom and Ike co-existing on the roster because Chrom fights for his friends too:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/psyvqda827ell5m/009.JPG

Oh, and one more thing, you have any sauce on Leaf being the Smash Melee pick over Sigrud, I've actually heard otherwise, but it seems I'm wrong on that one.\ion mix on his character.

The only source for the Leaf plan was some NeoGAF poster named cednym who claimed that Sakurai made some extra statements in Famitsu about the clones (such as Falco and Roy getting in over Wolf and Leaf due to them standing out more). Since cednym has no scans to provide for this interview, I am taking it with a grain of salt.

Also, there is absolutely NO PROOF that Sigurd was EVER planned for ANY Smash Bros. installment.

Also, I am not going to do any roster bets, until Sakurai hands out some actual information about Smash 4. For all I know, Smash 4 could be a major reboot to the franchise and we end up with only a roster the size of Brawl's.

 

[---]

I can't see Chrom and Ike co-existing on the roster because Chrom fights for his friends too:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/psyvqda827ell5m/009.JPG

Since when does concept art matter? Fighting for one's friends is a common theme in all the FE games, Marth himself holds it as his top priority and is the bond he has with My Unit in FE12 (translation). They may have started out similar but now Ike and Chrom are two totally different characters now. Don't get me wrong though, I understand where you're coming from, it's tough defending characters like Lucario or Roy.

The only source for the Leaf plan was some NeoGAF poster named cednym who claimed that Sakurai made some extra statements in Famitsu about the clones (such as Falco and Roy getting in over Wolf and Leaf due to them standing out more). Since cednym has no scans to provide for this interview, I am taking it with a grain of salt.

Also, there is absolutely NO PROOF that Sigurd was EVER planned for ANY Smash Bros. installment.

What Chrono said. If you guys have been getting some of your "facts" from the Directory thread please take heed of what I write next to a source, it's there for a reason.

 

[Frostwraith]

I can't see Chrom and Ike co-existing on the roster because Chrom fights for his friends too:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/psyvqda827ell5m/009.JPG

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[/COLLAPSE]

Just because his concept art makes him similar to Ike doesn't stop him from being in the roster. That argument is flawed.

do note that there are also other similar-looking character pairs in the Smash Bros. series such as Mario and Dr. Mario, Mario and Luigi, Fox and Wolf, Ness and Lucas, Link and Young Link, and even, Kirby and Jigglypuff.

 

[ChronoBound]

Since when does concept art matter? Fighting for one's friends is a common theme in all the FE games, Marth himself holds it as his top priority and is the bond he has with My Unit in FE12 (translation). They may have started out similar but now Ike and Chrom are two totally different characters now. Don't get me wrong though, I understand where you're coming from, it's tough defending characters like Lucario or Roy.

Ike is in a worse position than Lucario. I actually think Zoroark stands out more compared to Lucario than Chrom does to Ike. Lucario also still gets lots of new merchandise and promotion within the Pokemon series.

Also, the comment about Chrom "fighting for his friends" was a tongue-in-cheek reference to aesthetic similarities to Ike.

 

[8-peacock-8]

On Golden Sun: Camelot still retains rights to it. Nintendo doesn't not wholly own it. Camelot would have to be willing to let Monolith do it or Nintendo would have to buy the series outright.

Yeah. I know.

I'm just stating that it would be awesome.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Ike being missing wouldn't be a terrible lose, but there will be the group that will mourn the loss regardless. Then again Ike was kinda more hated then his "precursor" Roy, so I presume the mourning would be smaller.

 

[Deleted member]

I can't see Chrom and Ike co-existing on the roster because Chrom fights for his friends too:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/psyvqda827ell5m/009.JPG

Yeah, I noticed when you posted that. However, that doesn't discredit the fact that we may get a revamped Ike with his RD getup as a true heavyweight with some Axes. Also, the whole "I fight for my friends" deal, never fit Ike too well. If I recall correctly he fought for the survival of his country and to avenge his father, and in Radiant Dawn it was out of duty or something, I can't remember.

So Chrom can keep the stupid meme, and Ike can don a new outlook on life.

The only source for the Leaf plan was some NeoGAF poster named cednym who claimed that Sakurai made some extra statements in Famitsu about the clones (such as Falco and Roy getting in over Wolf and Leaf due to them standing out more). Since cednym has no scans to provide for this interview, I am taking it with a grain of salt.

Also, there is absolutely NO PROOF that Sigurd was EVER planned for ANY Smash Bros. installment.

Well, I've heard the it was Sigurd for many years now, and that he is supposed to be Sakurai's fave. I recently saw it mentioned in this Fire Emblem Retrospective. Also, a quick google search brought THIS up, where someone else makes some bold claims about Sigurd.

But whatever, it's just a rumor and irrelevant now anyway.

Also, I am not going to do any roster bets, until Sakurai hands out some actual information about Smash 4. For all I know, Smash 4 could be a major reboot to the franchise and we end up with only a roster the size of Brawl's.

Fair enough, but I suppose we can at least agree to disagree.

 

[---]

Ike is in a worse position than Lucario. I actually think Zoroark stands out more compared to Lucario than Chrom does to Ike. Lucario also still gets lots of new merchandise and promotion within the Pokemon series.

Also, the comment about Chrom "fighting for his friends" was a tongue-in-cheek reference to aesthetic similarities to Ike.

I see your point about Lucario/Zoroark, but I still fail to see how Chrom threatens Ike more than Roy. We're both just too Stubborn on to admit that both respective character's we're defending have their own issues to deal with when it comes to Chrom.

Yeah I got the reference, my mistake for getting it mixed up then. It can be tough to understand sarcasm online sometimes.

 

[ChronoBound]

Well, I've heard the it was Sigurd for many years now, and that he is supposed to be Sakurai's fave. I recently saw it mentioned in this Fire Emblem Retrospective. Also, a quick google search brought THIS up, where someone else makes some bold claims about Sigurd.

But whatever, it's just a rumor and irrelevant now anyway.

The whole "Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite Fire Emblem character" was de-bunked years ago. Sakurai actually has gone on the record about who his favorite Fire Emblem character is, its Nabarl a mercenary from FE1/FE3/FE11/FE12.

Also, those people that say that Sigurd was planned are all wrong, and probably don't cite anything that Sakurai has said, as Tri-Hyphen has said, check the back room.

 

[SmashChu]

Yeah. I know.

I'm just stating that it would be awesome.

Oh. Sorry. Carry on.

I agree with a lot of the other posters that Ike and Chrom can both work in the same game.

 

[ChronoBound]

I see your point about Lucario/Zoroark, but I still fail to see how Chrom threatens Ike more than Roy. We're both just too Stubborn on to admit that both respective character's we're defending have their own issues to deal with when it comes to Chrom.

The Japanese fanbase is under the assumption that either Ike or Chrom is going to be on the roster, not both.

The strong negative reaction to Roy being cut in Japan is basically going to keep Sakurai's hands tied in regards to Fire Emblem. There is a very strong movement to bring Roy back that he is very likely aware, and he most likely knows he will end up creating a strong Ike movement for Smash 5 if he ends up cutting him. He probably also knows that Chrom is the most current lord, but if he does not place him in this time, there will be far less people asking about it when Smash 5 rolls around.

I am betting Ike and Roy will be used to promote future Fire Emblem games. Ike will be used to promote a future FE game with Paris, while Roy will be used to promote a FE6 remake (which the IS higher-ups have an interest in).

 

[Deleted member]

I agree with a lot of the other posters that Ike and Chrom can both work in the same game.

Exactly, in fact. Chrom getting in and and Ike staying is good news for Ike fans, as it's a nearly guaranteed revamp, at the very least his appearance will be updated (hopefully) to his more bulky version.

 

[ChronoBound]

Ike in his Radiant Dawn outfit could easily have Chrom as an alternate costume, and I have mentioned that months ago. I suggested for Ike to come back in Radiant Dawn form to separate himself more from Marth and Roy even.

 

[JPW]

i would love a Monolith Soft "Golden Sun" too. It could actually be on a console then.

Other than that i would prefer a new FE character on Smash rather than an oldie who was cut due to so called "time constraints".

 

[---]

The Japanese fanbase is under the assumption that either Ike or Chrom is going to be on the roster, not both.

First time I've heard of this, which is kinda funny since it's more or less the opposite overseas. Neither of us are going to budge so let's just end this on an agree to disagree note, either that or start talking about what Chrom has against him.

 

[Ember Reaper]

i would love a Monolith Soft "Golden Sun" too. It could actually be on a console then.

PLEASE THIS. That would make me ecstatic beyond belief.

 

[ChronoBound]

First time I've heard of this, which is kinda funny since it's more or less the opposite overseas. Neither of us are going to budge so let's just end this on an agree to disagree note, either that or start talking about what Chrom has against him.

There are lots of people on GameFAQs now that think Chrom is going to replace Ike, and that its just going to be Marth and Chrom.

I actually think its ironically going to be Roy that saves Ike's place in Smash Bros.

The strong negative reaction to Roy being cut in Japan is basically going to keep Sakurai's hands tied in regards to Fire Emblem. There is a very strong movement to bring Roy back that he is very likely aware, and he most likely knows he will end up creating a strong Ike movement for Smash 5 if he ends up cutting him. He probably also knows that Chrom is the most current lord, but if he does not place him in this time, there will be far less people asking about it when Smash 5 rolls around.

I am betting Ike and Roy will be used to promote future Fire Emblem games. Ike will be used to promote a future FE game with Paris (who will be a DLC costume for Ike), while Roy will be used to promote a FE6 remake (which the IS higher-ups have an interest in).

 

[Big-Cat]

Also, someone here mentioned a roster where Mach Rider was added with a "stylish gun-style." Gun Kata anyone? I could go for a C.Falcon(Kamen Rider)+Noel Vermillion mix on his character. That actually sounds quite cool to be honest.

A Close Range, heavy hitting, in-your-face Gun user would be interesting to play as and brings forth tons of unique play-styles to the table. Especially if his Bike is added somehow as well (you know me, I take a preference to unique play-styles when it comes to characters). Also, I was always of the opinion that guns weren't added in Smash due to the fact that they would be cheap, not because they were "too mature," but correct me if I'm wrong.

I was thinking more along the lines of Ghost Rider for Mach Rider, but not anywhere near as much zoning.

The Gun Kata fighter would easily be Saki.

 

[Deleted member]

One thing I hope gets cleared out of the way (even though it won't) is the issue with FE and Pokemon.
We currently have a character waiting to return for each (Roy and Mewtwo)
a character that may be on the line for each (Ike and Lucario)
and a character that might usurp one or both for each (Chrom and Zoroark/Genesect/whatever)

To me, it seems to be a lose-lose-lose situation, as apparently, having the two sets of three is not an option for people, so that means one from each series is not going to make it. And no matter which way you look at it, it's going to raise issue.
Just a ticking time bomb no matter the result.

 

[ChronoBound]

One thing I hope gets cleared out of the way (even though it won't) is the issue with FE and Pokemon.
We currently have a character waiting to return for each (Roy and Mewtwo)
a character that may be on the line for each (Ike and Lucario)
and a character that might usurp one or both for each (Chrom and Zoroark/Genesect/whatever)

To me, it seems to be a lose-lose-lose situation, as apparently, having the two sets of three is not an option for people, so that means one from each series is not going to make it. And no matter which way you look at it, it's going to raise issue.
Just a ticking time bomb no matter the result.

Yeah. The cycling faces is a very big problem for Pokemon and Fire Emblem. I already mentioned that Roy and Ike could have future utility in the Fire Emblem series.

As for Pokemon, it would definitely need six slots to keep everyone happy. I can see Intelligent Systems letting Chrom not getting in slide (since Roy and Ike could be utilized in future FE games in the form of a FE6 remake and a Paris FE), but I can see Game Freak putting up a stink to get some sort of "new" Pokemon in.

 

[Deleted member]

There's always the Rayquaza route with Kyurem. Even incorporating it's form changes.

 

[---]

There are lots of people on GameFAQs now that think Chrom is going to replace Ike, and that its just going to be Marth and Chrom.

Gamefaqs is in it's own little world.

Other stuff

I both agree and disagree, but I'm still betting on Marth/Roy/Ike with it all coming down to movesets.

One thing I hope gets cleared out of the way (even though it won't) is the issue with FE and Pokemon.
We currently have a character waiting to return for each (Roy and Mewtwo)
a character that may be on the line for each (Ike and Lucario)
and a character that might usurp one or both for each (Chrom and Zoroark/Genesect/whatever)

To me, it seems to be a lose-lose-lose situation, as apparently, having the two sets of three is not an option for people, so that means one from each series is not going to make it. And no matter which way you look at it, it's going to raise issue.
Just a ticking time bomb no matter the result.

I laughed when I read this post, as it's definitely true. I think however the least amount of butt-hurt would come from keeping the vets.

 

[Deleted member]

There are lots of people on GameFAQs now that think Chrom is going to replace Ike, and that its just going to be Marth and Chrom.

I actually think its ironically going to be Roy that saves Ike's place in Smash Bros.

The strong negative reaction to Roy being cut in Japan is basically going to keep Sakurai's hands tied in regards to Fire Emblem. There is a very strong movement to bring Roy back that he is very likely aware, and he most likely knows he will end up creating a strong Ike movement for Smash 5 if he ends up cutting him. He probably also knows that Chrom is the most current lord, but if he does not place him in this time, there will be far less people asking about it when Smash 5 rolls around.

One thing I hope gets cleared out of the way (even though it won't) is the issue with FE and Pokemon.
We currently have a character waiting to return for each (Roy and Mewtwo)
a character that may be on the line for each (Ike and Lucario)
and a character that might usurp one or both for each (Chrom and Zoroark/Genesect/whatever)

To me, it seems to be a lose-lose-lose situation, as apparently, having the two sets of three is not an option for people, so that means one from each series is not going to make it. And no matter which way you look at it, it's going to raise issue.
Just a ticking time bomb no matter the result.

Well they could just cut them both and make them DLC. Seems like the smartest move from a business standpoint to me, and everyone wins this way. A bit of a Jew move, but... meh, Ninty would make some decent cash from it. Just call "time constraints" on it and wash your hands.

I am betting Ike and Roy will be used to promote future Fire Emblem games. Ike will be used to promote a future FE game with Paris (who will be a DLC costume for Ike), while Roy will be used to promote a FE6 remake (which the IS higher-ups have an interest in).

First I've heard of this and it seems odd since the general pattern seemed to be 2 games per continent barring the original which has 4 games and 2 remakes. There were rumors of another Ike game due to how FE10 ended, but it could also be interpreted as open-ended. Also I don't remember how FE6 ended, all I remember is killing a dragon. Any sauce, I'd like to read it.

I was thinking more along the lines of Ghost Rider for Mach Rider, but not anywhere near as much zoning.

The Gun Kata fighter would easily be Saki.

Holy ****! Mind = Blow

It's so perfect! How did I not see it before?

As a Noel main in BB, I would absolutely ****ing LOVE that. That's it, Saki gets my official support now. I would main Saki in a heartbeat if this happens, even if he turns out to be ****. Gun Kata is so much fun to use in vidya, it's not even funny.

 

[Big-Cat]

Too bad that Gun Kata is useless if not resulting in you somehow killing yourself in real life, but it IS awesome as hell in videogames.

Watch Saki mains mash D all day long.

 

[Gamingboy]

To be fair, though, Pokemon is a far more popular and widely known series than FE is, so it could be entirely fair for it to have 6 spots while Fire Emblem has 3 or 4.