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[Gamingboy]

Also, I can't help but think of what the Twitter Bird's moves would be now. I mean, the fail whale would be the obvious Final Smash...

 

[Frostwraith]

Frost: Yeah yeah, it does.

Should we now though say BIRDS make the world go round.

Hey, Groose likes birds, right?

GROOSE CONFIRMED AT SSB4

I LOL'd.

Also I think Celice going to do his father's job to the end makes him kinda like what Roy was to Eliwood. Besides he's essentially Marth but girlier. Hahahah. He'd be more popular if exposed out.

Chrono: See Manly? (->u<-)

Lyn's still loved around here. (-lvl-)^ And that's all it counts to make her reach more merits. If she can pull it, then why not Roy?

Well it is an explanation.

both characters are viable, but you must keep in mind that Roy is more popular.

Well, whether or not Sigurd was planned/favorite lord by Sakurai for Smash bros; his inclusion seems pretty unlikely at this point. Heck, even Ephraim seems to have a better chance now than he does; even to some extent Alm (and both have a bit below average of getting in; correct me if I'm wrong)

If we HAVE to see someone from Awakening other than Chrom or the DLC cast as the only/last Fire emblem character playable in smash; I'd rather have someone like Sariya or Vaike

I've heard that too. and I think that with Awakening, most FE characters have now good chances. let's see how will Awakening's release outside of Japan will affect the characters' popularity.

speaking of Awakening... why not Inverse?

dat appearence and dat pose

 

[Aipom]

True, that stuff was great.

On topic (kind of)..... I saw a little bit back the talk of Nintendo's M rated IPs. I would like to see Alexandra from Eternal Darkness and a stage from Geist. The third one I am very unfamiliar with

 

[Deleted member]

That argument has one flaw in the sense that Roy also appeared as DLC in Awakening.

and is it a concidence that the first two DLC characters in Awakening were Marth and Roy? I don't think so...

however, you do have some points right. Hector and Lyn are more memorable than Eliwood. I've never played FE7, but I know that Lyn and Hector are among the more popular characters of FE7. and, hey, Lyn appeared as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.

however, when comparing Roy's popularity with Lyn's popularity, Roy wins, hands down.

Of course! I was never arguing that Lyn>Roy. That would be absurd. I simply used Lyn as an example of how "relevant to the story" =/ "iconic."

 

[Gamingboy]

IGN has a thing about the state of Nintendo Franchises and what they might have for the future.

 

[Frostwraith]

@Aipom:

besides Geist and Eternal Darkness, we also have Disaster: Day of Crisis, developed by Monolith Soft and published by Nintendo. it sold poorly and was cancelled in NA, though. it's also a Nintendo IP.

@ManlySpirit:
you did prove your point, anyway. it's what TVTropes calls Ensemble Darkhorses. characters that are less important to the setting, yet have major recognition.

@Gamingboy:

looks like an interesting read. I'll check it out.

 

[Gamingboy]

He predicts that we might see some SSB stuff at E3, but the game itself almost certainly won't be out until 2014 at the earliest, since Sakurai games take forever to be made.

 

[ChronoBound]

IGN has a thing about the state of Nintendo Franchises and what they might have for the future.

F-Zero: Climax came out there in 2005

IGN, never change with your shoddy journalism (F-Zero Climax was released in 2004).

Also...

A new sequel that followed along after that game and ignored the oddities of Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault and Star Fox Command would be more than welcome.

A new Star Fox game that erases Adventures, Assault, and Command from the canon? I'm in.

I have said it before that if they rebooted Star Fox and ignored all the games after 64, few people would care, and there would actually be a lot of people that would welcome it.

 

[Frostwraith]

@Gamingboy: but it's for a good reason... we all know that...

 

[Gamingboy]

@Gamingboy: but it's for a good reason... we all know that...

Good things come to those who wait...

 

[ChronoBound]

On a side note, I doubt a new F-Zero will ever be made. The games just don't sell well. Its really sad for me because its one of my favorite Nintendo IPs. Oh well, at least we got the outstanding F-Zero GX, which is basically the perfect F-Zero game to me.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Well, whether or not Sigurd was planned/favorite lord by Sakurai for Smash bros; his inclusion seems pretty unlikely at this point. Heck, even Ephraim seems to have a better chance now than he does; even to some extent Alm (and both have a bit below average of getting in; correct me if I'm wrong)

If we HAVE to see someone from Awakening other than Chrom or the DLC cast as the only/last Fire emblem character playable in smash; I'd rather have someone like Sariya or Vaike

EDIT: @ horsetail: I'd rather not have Celice; thanks to rika Suzuki butchering him. Guy looks like a poorly drawn basara reject from deviant art [vomits internally]

I know it looks ridiculous, but I personally love the design.

It can be used to make GREAT FANART, like this

Also I died up because IGN says Kid Icarus is now Nintendo's biggest branches.

I guess this series had like 13 games and loads of popularity over the world to be included there and Fire Emblem again had two games then fell of the edge of the world because Metroid was more popular but then was revived in Brawl.

Wow. Kid Icarus sure is popular. WHY DIDN'T WE THEN GET SUPER KID ICARUS BACK IN 90'S IGN? OR ARE YOU NOW BLATANLY JUDGING NOW THAT KID ICARUS IS POPULAR NOW BECAUSE OF ONE GAME?

IGN seriously must be dumbest Nintendo-fanatics ever. (-l_l-) There's a REASON why Kid Icarus fell of the edge after two games and became a cult classic series. To say it's now a biggest N-brand is like saying NIGHTS is now a biggest Sega-brand because it got a sequel for Wii after being featured in Sega Superstar-games.
Oh wait, we're talking about Smash Bros-no, specifically about Sakurai here.

I can't even believe they didn't include DONKEY KONG OR KIRBY. (-0_l)

I read the thing more seriously but really it ticks me off beyond belief. This series might never be picked up by Nintendo yet IGN thinks it's even bigger than Donkey Kong, Kirby, FE and so on.

F-Zero too, what. It had no new game for ages and people still demand it.

 

[ChronoBound]

IGN seriously must be dumbest Nintendo-fanatics ever. (-l_l-)

IGN is shoddy. Always has been. I still remember the 1998 article of which Smash Bros. 64 was announced and they said Wario, Peach, Bowser, and Diddy Kong were playable characters.

 

[Gamingboy]

IGN is shoddy. Always has been. I still remember the 1998 article of which Smash Bros. 64 was announced and they said Wario, Peach, Bowser, and Diddy Kong were playable characters.

I think IGN is a very hit or miss place. When they hit, they hit dead on, but when they miss, they are wildly, not-even-close wrong. They have some of the best in the biz working, but also some of the worst.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono: HAHAHAHAHHH

THEY JINXED THEM

HAHAHAHAHAH

And dumber thing though is that most people believe IGN so I think Kid Icarus will be now declared as a B-list franchise along with what else IGN had listed up.

Have fun waiting for your new Kid Icarus people. Hope the following 25 years are worth it.

 

[Frostwraith]

you can't spell ignorance without IGN...

about Celice, that Awakening art is weird looking but otherwise, the outfit looks good. the art style is the only aspect wrecking it.

though I really liked Uprising, Kid Icarus is far from being a major series (as big as EarthBound), although it could become one if they made new games of the franchise. IMO, there are still a lot of possibilities for the series: a game featuring an open world and/or potential co-op adventuring (P1 as Pit and P2 as Dark Pit).

I'm kind of surprised on how they didn't mention FE, especially with Awakening coming to NA in February and to Europe in April...

@Horsetail: I give 10/10 to your new avatar.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Frost: Thanks. It's from this post if you're curious.

Also I'd be also for a new KI-game, but what worries me most is that Nintendo and it's subisidiaries, neglecting this series for long, might not still have interest to it. And since people might want Uprising to be a new standard for the series, it'll be pretty much harder to achieve the success of it.

But in anycase, I hate IGN for trying to paint a picture of Nintendo being practically "What Smash Bros has shown about it". And since they didn't like Kirby's Return To Dreamland that much despite hyping to it so much as I've seen all these years, they went so biased they clip it out as the "10 biggest brands of Nintendo".

More like "10 Biggest Brands of Nintendo according to IGNorant Fanboys".

 

[Frostwraith]

Frost: Thanks. It's from this post if you're curious.

Also I'd be also for a new KI-game, but what worries me most is that Nintendo and it's subisidiaries, neglecting this series for long, might not still have interest to it. And since people might want Uprising to be a new standard for the series, it'll be pretty much harder to achieve the success of it.

But in anycase, I hate IGN for trying to paint a picture of Nintendo being practically "What Smash Bros has shown about it". And since they didn't like Kirby's Return To Dreamland that much despite hyping to it so much as I've seen all these years, they went so biased they clip it out as the "10 biggest brands of Nintendo".

More like "10 Biggest Brands of Nintendo according to IGNorant Fanboys".

well, it's hard to top a game like Uprising. I mean, really hard. however, on the other side, it was since 1991 that no game in the franchise was released, so it was almost compensating for that fact alone. Sakurai said something on these lines, when talking about Pit's design.

I think that some studios like Monolith or Retro could shed a new light on the franchise.
Retro Studios's Metroid Prime series and DKCR were critically acclaimed games that succeeded at rebooting two different franchises, so I think they could make a good KI game.

IGN = IGNorance
biased journalism isn't journalism at all. a good reporter should avoid any kind of personal bias when writing an article.

EDIT: @Horsetail, that comic made me laugh hard...!

 

[Starphoenix]

On a side note, I doubt a new F-Zero will ever be made. The games just don't sell well. Its really sad for me because its one of my favorite Nintendo IPs. Oh well, at least we got the outstanding F-Zero GX, which is basically the perfect F-Zero game to me.

Not necessarily, if Nintendo had a competent online strategy they could easily make games like F-Zero successful (to an extent). Nintendo could cut manufacturing costs by releasing exclusive digital titles across the eShop, and, with service wide advertisement, inform users about those exclusives. Sadly, Nintendo is not that forward thinking when it comes to digital distribution and production. If they were, it would be a great way for them to create games for more of the core Nintendo crowd like F-Zero and Sin and Punishment, without the risk of stocking shelves with a product that will make it's way to the bargain bin in six months.

 

[Diddy Kong]

DK and Kirby didn't even get a mentoin, neither did Fire Emblem. Why are those 3 series almost always stuck with the short straw? Two of them even being my favorite game series... Guess I'm destinied to love the black sheep.

Spoiler

*is a black sheep himself*

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Monolith seems more fit to make a new KI-game. I think they could pull it off well since their projects are pretty grand.
Golden Sun would be great on their hands too if Camelot wishes to push it for Monolith as a collaboration.

And we all know. IGN fails. And no problem.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Monolith seems more fit to make a new KI-game. I think they could pull it off well since their projects are pretty grand.
Golden Sun would be great on their hands too if Camelot wishes to push it for Monolith as a collaboration.

And we all know. IGN fails. And no problem.

Monolith Soft Golden Sun would be epic.

 

[Diddy Kong]

PAON should work with Retro to make the next DKC game I feel. They're not so good with designs, but PAON respects the series quite a lot.

 

[ChronoBound]

PAON should work with Retro to make the next DKC game I feel. They're not so good with designs, but PAON respects the series quite a lot.

I wonder if K. Rool and/or Dixie Kong are going to make another game appearance before Smash 4 is released.

The Mario spinoffs have not been kind to the DK cast since Super Sluggers aside from DK and Diddy.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If PAON is working on something DK-related, I'm sure they will show up. DK:Jungle Climber was a great game (released in 2007) and had K.Rool as a main villain since a long time. Dixie was only playable in the multiplayer though. I sure hope they could make at least a sort of sequel to that game on the 3DS. Or as said before, a DKCR / Jungle Climber mix up worked on by both PAON and Retro. I imagine normal platforming with some climbing elements plus moves from DK64. It'd be one of the best things ever if done right. But likely? Not quite I'm affraid...

 

[Frostwraith]

Monolith seems more fit to make a new KI-game. I think they could pull it off well since their projects are pretty grand.
Golden Sun would be great on their hands too if Camelot wishes to push it for Monolith as a collaboration.

And we all know. IGN fails. And no problem.

having a Zelda or Kid Icarus game with the same dimension as Xenoblade...

from what I've heard, Xenoblade has a really big game world.

 

[Arcadenik]

Barbara might stay as an Assist Trophy. Her games fall into Nintendo's many obscure franchises, and the fact that her games aren't released worldwide doesn't help her chances at all. Then again, we have Ness and Lucas as playable characters...

I think that is because HAL Laboratory developed Super Smash Bros. games and MOTHER games, not just Kirby games.

 

[N3ON]

I'd be perfectly happy in PAON never touched the Donkey Kong IP again. Really didn't care for the DK games they made. However, they developed the Klonoa remake adequately, so if they ever did return to DK games, I'd hope it be more in the typical platformer vein like Klonoa (not that it should play like or be similar to Klonoa) rather than returning to the peg-swinging mechanics from before. With the success of DKCR though, I could see Nintendo opting to keep DK games like that for a while now.

At least PAON included K. Rool in their games though.

Golden Sun would be great on their hands too if Camelot wishes to push it for Monolith as a collaboration.

Monolith Soft Golden Sun would be epic.

 

[FlareHabanero]

-Monolith Soft in charge of Kid Icarus.
-Retro Studios in charge of The Legend of Zelda.
-Sora in charge of rebooting The Mysterious Murasame Castle.
-Platinum Games in charge of Star Fox.
-Good Feel in charge of Yoshi's Island.
-Hal Laboratory in charge of Arcana reboot.
-Game Freak in charge of Pulseman reboot.

Any others I'm missing?

 

[N3ON]

^I'd be more than happy if Sega handled F-Zero again. GX was great.

And someone (no idea who though) needs to handle Eternal Darkness, it's too good to die alongside Silicon Knights.

 

[---]

-Game Freak in charge of Pulseman reboot.

Not sure what you're talking about but you have my attention.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, is Jam With The Band really getting a new title?

I suppose if that gets more well known, then Barbara support would probably rise.

 

[MasterMushroom]

Monolith Soft Golden Sun would be epic.

I've been thinking about that possibility for a long time now. It'll be perfect honestly in all respects. Sorry Camelot, but ever since Hiroshi Yamuichi stepped down from the company and being in charge as an executive producer of GS, in addition to Camelot *allegedly* losing its members over the years; its time to give the IP to a more competent team :/

 

[Deleted member]

@Habanero: Switch The Legend of Zelda with new IP.

Also, am I the only one that wants a new Mach Rider game?

 

[8-peacock-8]

And someone (no idea who though) needs to handle Eternal Darkness, it's too good to die alongside Silicon Knights.

Retro Studios teamed up with Konami. Thats the best team that i could think of to handle Eternal Darkness. (This isn't counting the fact that Eternal Darkness had Metal gear VA's working on it. lol)

 

[MasterMushroom]

Also, am I the only one that wants a new Mach Rider game?

Nope, you're not. The best In-House studio/team I can think of that would make a great Mach Rider game is Retro Studios

If 3rd party, the only one who takes the project should be Valhalla Studios. For those who don't know, Valhalla Studios is the team Itagaki made after leaving Team Ninja. He had a conflict with them, far beyond not getting his proper salary pay; specifically with differences against Hayashi (and the corporate execs from Tecmo that sided with Hayashi).

Moment Itagaki left, 70% of the team including key members/veterans left along with him to make Valhalla Studios. All these guys were the solely responsible for Ninja Gaiden 1/Black and Ninja Gaiden 2

The quality would be off the roof and extremely good when you think about it.

 

[N3ON]

I've been thinking about that possibility for a long time now. It'll be perfect honestly in all respects. Sorry Camelot, but ever since Hiroshi Yamuichi stepped down from the company and being in charge as an executive producer of GS, in addition to Camelot *allegedly* losing its members over the years; its time to give the IP to a more competent team :/

Yeah, as sad as it is to admit, Camelot's recent efforts haven't been to the standard they used to be (not just with Golden Sun). Unless they can get their act together and somehow manage to attain their past quality, I'd agree that Golden Sun might fare better with another development team (though one with past experience in RPGs). Monolith could work, but in all likelihood I doubt they'll ever touch the GS series, not due to dislike or anything, but just because they have enough to work with already that they don't need to be given the reins of another semi-successful already-existing series.

Switch The Legend of Zelda with new IP.

Also, am I the only one that wants a new Mach Rider game?

I never got my hopes up for that Mach Rider Unchained rumor, but it did sound very interesting and if it had turned out to be true I definitely would've picked up the game. I think that rumor sparked a lot of interest in revisiting the IP in general, which, if handled properly, I think could be very well done. Normally I'm fairly uninterested and at this point tired of all the "gritty, over-the-top, violent" games as of late, but unlike other series that are going down this route, I think Mach Rider could benefit from this style of game (mixed with the driving/racing/shooting/vehicle combat elements of course). Plus it'd be pretty different than the normal games Nintendo likes to create and promote.

Anyway, yeah, I'd like to see a new Mach Rider game.

Retro Studios teamed up with Konami. Thats the best team that i could think of to handle Eternal Darkness. (This isn't counting the fact that Eternal Darkness had Metal gear VA's working on it. lol)

If Silent Hill's original dev team was working on it, I'd say it could have the potential to turn out fantastically, but since they were absorbed and Silent Hill games turned mediocre, I have shaken faith in Konami's creation of horror games.

Of course, all the recent Silent Hill games haven't been developed by Konami themselves, so I'm not even sure which team at Konami would handle ED2.

Plus, we can't have Retro working on it, they're already working on those Star Fox, Prime 4, DKCR2, F-Zero, Zelda, and New IP games we want.

 

[Deleted member]

Nope, you're not. The best In-House studio/team I can think of that would make a great Mach Rider game is Retro Studios

If 3rd party, the only one who takes the project should be Valhalla Studios. For those who don't know, Valhalla Studios is the team Itagaki made after leaving Team Ninja. He had a conflict with them, far beyond not getting his proper salary pay; specifically with differences against Hayashi (and the corporate execs from Tecmo that sided with Hayashi).

Moment Itagaki left, 70% of the team including key members/veterans left along with him to make Valhalla Studios. All these guys were the solely responsible for Ninja Gaiden 1/Black and Ninja Gaiden 2

The quality would be off the roof and extremely good when you think about it.

I would love to see both studios input on a new Mach Rider game. The rumor back last year would have been great if it came true.

 

[8-peacock-8]

If Silent Hill's original dev team was working on it, I'd say it could have the potential to turn out fantastically, but since they were absorbed and Silent Hill games turned mediocre, I have shaken faith in Konami's creation of horror games.

Of course, all the recent Silent Hill games haven't been developed by Konami themselves, so I'm not even sure which team at Konami would handle ED2.

Plus, we can't have Retro working on it, they're already working on those Star Fox, Prime 4, DKCR2, F-Zero, Zelda, and New IP games we want.

But they would be the best Nintendo team to handle it.

Obviously, the ED2 team would be a mix of the SH team and the MGS Voice actors.

Either way, i think Konami is the best bet when it comes to Eternal Darkness getting a sequel. (If Retro ended up helping, that would be amazing)

 

[N3ON]

But they would be the best Nintendo team to handle it.

Well maybe you'll get your wish when in a couple of years every single Nintendo IP gets transferred to Retro due to fan demand.

Obviously, the ED2 team would be a mix of the SH team and the MGS Voice actors.

Because we all know voice actors make the best developers.
(Though Hayter is admittedly a pretty decent writer)

EDIT: lol I forgot Sakurai is also technically a "voice actor". I'll be eating my words now.

Either way, i think Konami is the best bet when it comes to Eternal Darkness getting a sequel. (If Retro ended up helping, that would be amazing)

I think Tecmo might also be a possible good fit for the series, given their past work on Fatal Frame and their relationship to Nintendo, but I can also see them not really capturing the feel or "spirit" of ED, if that makes any sense, as ED is kind of a "western" horror game and Fatal Frame is a very "eastern" horror series. Oh well, I still think it might be worth a shot.