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Why not?I'm just curious on the phone shenanigans continuing. I don't think we're done with those items, sadly.
Lynch between rake and j
That's why I was confused on Ryu's claim. I didn't think it condemned him, but it did make me pause at him for a bit and relook at him. Right now, I am equivilant to a VT with bobbles.
#HBC | Ryker
, you targetted Gheb correct? (I need this 100% confirmed)
Agree with this.Alright, this is beating around the bush at this point and I'm just wasting my time by continually talking about it.
I think Rake vs Ruy is TvT at this point in time.
This is an analytical point based on their play revolving around each other and the influence of a third party hand.
First things first, let's talk about Ruy's role. His original claim was Raziek, Town Mod, who held possession of a phone that could only receive messages and a gamecube controller. That was the basis of Ruy's role, as it stands. However, upon Rosie dying and flipping as Red Ruy, Town Amnesiac Tracker, Ruy's phone became a neighborizer that could be used with whoever else held the other phone and he gained a one-shot track. Frankly, at first glance, this looks like bull****, but the fact that these are likely linked roles (given the fact both had phones that could likely only send or only receive messages), it explains the transformation of Ruy's role somewhat simply. It's just a matter of whether or not Ruy is actually town, but him gaining a track and a neighborizer doesn't make much sense coming from a poisoner (I'm still working under the assumption that mafia doesn't have two night kills) and him being targeted by a thief makes me think that's fairly likely. I don't like clearing him based on role shenanigans but I think those events do outweigh Ruy's ****-tier play.
Now, Rake walked in this thread with just that first part of the role in mind. It is not directly obvious that Ruy was linked to Rosie's role as it seems most people did not jump to this conclusion immediately (albeit, in hindsight, it does make sense). For Rake to receive a message from Ruy, a guy who claimed he could only receive them himself a day prior, it becomes shifty. For Rake to immediately lose connection before a response can be sent, it becomes immediately shiftier. Rake immediately comes under the impression that Ruy has lied about his role, something he had no reason to do, and thinks Ruy is scummy for it. As a result, he enters the thread and pushes to lynch Ruy because he thinks he's caught lying scum, so there's no reason not to lynch him as soon as the thread starts.
As I see it, this resolution is simple: Ruy has a role that is vague and rather useless but is linked to the Town Amnesiac Tracker. Said tracker gets lynched and Ruy, being effectively a back-up, gets a free track and his phone gets unlocked. Rake gets a message from a guy who previously said he couldn't get them and becomes suspicious. Ruy, being stupid, is not aware how Rake got the phone. Before Rake can respond, NAR kicks in, Ruy's phone is stolen by a third party, day starts, shenanigans.
If something else happens that changes the validity of these observations or challenges my understanding of the situation, I am liable to change these reads, but so far no one has managed to do that, so I am simply waiting for other factors to occur (or, rather, reoccur) to change my mind. As a result, I'd rather not lynch here.
I think Spak's summary is townie. He's new and he's trying dog give him a break no need to be so harsh.Yeh, I really don't care for this approach. You don't need to respond to everything that happened and put your opinion on it and it's a pain in the *** to read in the first place. We don't want summaries with quick hits, I would just prefer the quick hits and how they influence your reads. Right now, you read like a pawn and I hate pawns.
This is a weird thing to focus in on. Like there is a reason to not like Rake here (how he got "stuck" in the RR read, trying to incriminate RR cus he had junk items) but calling his opening play opportunistic is odd cus it's really not. It's really not hard to imagine a town Rake getting excited about a potential bingo and I'll like to think if scum was thinking one step ahead they would know how ****ty it would look for them if they lynched someone off of that.
I'm not sure on J anymore (read end of my wall).@#HBC | Laundry - Where are you looking to lynch toDay? If you want us to move away from Rake vs Ryu where do you want us to look? J? Spak?
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@#HBC | Dancer - I haven't read your wall at J but you still think he's scum correct? Where's your head regarding Rake and Ryu? Is one scum? Or both like WATT suggested? Or neither as Laundry proposed? Who would you lynch if it wasn't J?
Any response to this WATT?Maven said:
We traded one wall but I agree making large posts is stressful af.
He said so at the beginning of the day@
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I'm not even gunning for you right now. ;_;
Yes he did.@
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#HBC | Dancer
if your primary scum read was J why didn't you vote him at all in this phase, why are you having second doubts now?
