Ok, done a complete reread my lovelies and...
Washedlaundry - needs to never play mafia in dgames again, seriously, so salty that to teach one player a lesson you'll violate your wincon? Grow the **** up.
AdumbroDeus - Suave, debonair, and town as always.
Joey/Nabe - Definately town, JBT was trying to buddy Joey mad hard, no way it's a scumteam cause joey didn't really reciprocate. So yea, would do.
RR - Townie or indy - Reread the conversation about Chibo's 7, if RR was JBT's scumbuddy, he would wanna preserve that list at any cost cause a "cleared scum" can just coast to endgame and is essentially guaranteed a win. So why did he push so hard against it at it's high point? I don't think he's strong enough as scum to push against it to hedge his bets, he's not aligned with JBT. Definately ****able.
Chibo - Townie all the way, there's no way scum chibo would try that gambit, it could backfire way too hard. Beyond that, I just get mad townie vibes from his general aggressive play. Would make love to.
Ram - Noobtown vibe and his claim makes a town of sense. Would do.
Seph - mixed messages here, either noobtown (in terms of ability, he's been here forever) or lurker-scum. Need to seduce for more info.
Nix - Frankly, made no impression on me so far. Must be seduced for info, or at least reread again.
Beatstick - Same story as with Nix.
Dark Horse - Leaning scummy, can't really put my finger on anything specific though.
Chaco - Blending scum vibe, wanna hear more out of him. *adds to "seduce for information" list*
Kata - Scummy, he's being too evasive about the thought process behind an already shaky case
in terms of why the words imply the thought process he says they do, I like kata-scum. Definitely wouldn't do without protection.
Thoughts on the shot, most likely case is a second killer, probably SK. The reason it's most likely SK is the following:
1. JTB was on "the list", unlikely that a vig would've shot somebody who was generally believed by town to be a cleared townie.
2. If JTB carried out the kill, it very neatly explains why mafia no killed, SKs usually go before mafia. A vig killing scum and a successful doc-protect/scum attacking a BP townie on the same night is a bit far-fetched.
3. Vigs usually no-shoot night 1 at least so town can tell the difference between them and SKs.
Based on the the Swiss flip I'd say that in all likelihood J's insurance policy against breaking the game using colors was giving a few characters different townie colors, which sort of nullifies my prior reasoning as to other possible insurance policies. I don't think swiss would troll us like that, swiss plays to win.
Ok, so those are my thoughts for now my lovelies
Now @Deus: I don't think I implied Ryu had control over who gets to lylo. I did imply his expectation to reach lylo in a similar vein to the example quotes I listed from different scummy-scummies. Do you want me to explain my psychology behind this and as to why I became attentive to that comment, in simpler terms?
Also I'm confused when you say I'm side-stepping your remarks by not "proving" my assertions... I can't prove Ryu is scummy-scummy in absolutes. I can make assertions. I can assert that the comment he made regarding lylo made me question him amongst other phrases. I've explained where I got this assertion from. I've highlighted metagame examples that support my explanations of my assertions upon your request. I don't know what else you are after outside of me now proving Ryu = scum? If I had a cop guilty I'd totes be up for lynching him bang on because that's nigh mod-confirmed information minus sanity but I don't have this. I have my vote and questions I'd like answered to further my reads. My vote isn't static and I'm out to attack scum not "easy players". Ryu was deemed "easy" by you. I've never played with Ryu before. You said originally that I'm attacking an easy player by "bull****ting", now this has progressed to you now "believing that at least I believe it's legitimate", these are significant phrases to me in this exchange because it shows you partially understand what I'm trying to say to you. I'm very interested in what you're next response will be with respect to this.
Plz explain what I've missed in layman terms now because I don't understand what the next stage of my appraisal to Lord Deus is. I feel this conversation is divulging into debate hall stylistics, proofs, maths, absolutes, matrix numbers, electric futuristic panels, bald man with evil cat, ace attorney logic, your opinions on what is scum vs mine etc etc, especially when I feel I've explained my thought process and everything else to a T....... + metagame examples to support this.
No, you didn't. Here's what you said:
I'm not letting you near lylo, not if your gonna do this to town.
"I'm not letting you in lylo" is a phrase I dislike for a multitude of reasons and this is triggering alarm bells. I sense Ryu's expectation that he'll be alive by this point and is almost planning it - i.e. someone interested in reaching this point and not on their toes regarding the mafia NKills which could, should he be Town, end him. THE HORROR. Of course that 'on-your-toes' vibe is missing here - Ryu's protectiveness over lylo tells me he plans to reach it, and for what purpose? As scum? I think so. This phrase sticks to me like glue.
Non Sequitur, essentially you seem to be riding on previous successes with a tell without really providing a strong explanation for he fits the tell.
Why does "I'm not letting you near lylo" suggest anything about being alive at that point? Cello's example, he literally said that he was gonna survive to lylo, omni's example involved him literally giving people "permission to live till lylo" and saying who he'd bring to lylo, bringing implies that he's surviving till that point, though honestly I would think Omni's more meta about how he usually talks about lylo as opposed to being a general tell.
On the other hand, RR's statement implies that he wants to kill the person in question prior to lylo, unless you can explain otherwise.
o also I wanted to sneak 2 things in
1. it's selfish not to answer the questions I've posed at you when I have interest in destroying the scummies. 2. This is fickle of me but I'm playing your hand and I feel it's your turn to show me examples of your assertions and how they stand in the dgames metagame, notably the assertion where it's scummy for a player like me to attack an "easy player" - my emphasis being I can point out games here where plenty of Townies have done this, and thus I could go on to say that there isn't a "substantiative difference" between a scum doing this and a townie doing this action. Links links links plz!
Are you seriously questioning the value to scum of lynching somebody not in their faction?
Yes, townies attack weak townies, but they use arguments
THEY BELIEVE. That's the difference here, I don't think you believe your argument, I think you're you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and while town might need to do that in rare cases (Sir bed in Majora's mask mafia is an easy example), the vast majority of cases it's scum trying to secure a mis-lynch. So yes, cases you don't believe are a scumtell.
I also want to know, what do you think my alignment is?
