Resident Evil 4 Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins!!!

[Kataefi]

can you not copy and paste the example Ryu if you can't quote it?

 

[Kataefi]

Everyone's disappeared

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

can you not copy and paste the example Ryu if you can't quote it?

No.

10can'tdoit.

 

[Kataefi]

Hmmm... okay. I'd still like an answer to my previous questions if you don't mind.

 

[#HBC | J]

Chapter 2-3, continues


1. Nabe [0]
2. Kataefi [1] adumbrodeus
3. Sephiroths Masamune [0]
4. Dark Horse [0]
5. adumbrodeus [0]
6. Ranmaru [0]
7. vVv ChiboSempai [1] Ranmaru
8. Red Ryu [4] BeatStick, Nabe, Dark Horse, Kataefi
9. BeatStick [0]
10. Nix2100 [0]
11. Chaco [1] Sephiroths Masamune

Not Voting: vVv ChiboSempai, Red Ryu, Nix2100, Chaco

With 11 alive it takes 6 to shoot...

Deadline is set for 4/19/11 at 12:00midnight.​

 

[Kataefi]

Reading reading reading Trying to cram everything in before work starts

@Chaco:

What do you think about Swiss's crumbs?

Indy status?

Can you elaborate on this quote please? Why would his crumbs imply indy status over, say, anything else?

Do you have a clearcut stance on Chibo atm btw?, from the *****y tone of your D1, you seemed focused on being negative [and by this I mean toys out of the pram type of negative] against Chibo's play which is why I'm interested in your opinions on him now and how you feel he has approached/will approach D2.

I agree with your stance on Deus FWIW. What made you reach this conclusion?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

omg are you srs? you shouldn't have claimed imo. Your role produced no results and there's a chance Dark Horse's shot could be fake in a bid to get quick reactions from you.

Well he got a guy to claim a ****ing princess, a role you never want to claim, ever. If the dayvig was real, wtf DH, if not, Ran why would you claim princess? Seriously.

O hai Ryu what do you think of my analysis on you? Also, could you explain why you were concerned for other players against Chibo's aggressive behaviour?

I don't like how you took my call on, "not let him into lylo" because it really has merit because it looks for players who are not trustworthy in end game, they could be scummy

I'm not sure what you mean with the second question, I was not a fan of the supporters of his plan or behavior. Could you reword or explain this a bit better for me?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dang it hit reply too fast, anyways, I was gonna finish with the firs statement saying, they could be scummy in most cases they take out the weakest and scummiest players. Scum will want to take out players to leave little connections and strong town players.

 

[adumbrodeus]

^explain this in much more detail.

Actually, and totally out of curiosity, why did you cut out the rest of that post pertaining to why I felt Ryu was scummy? And why didn't you answer my questions directed at you considering you're focus in that post was me, and you addressed me?...

I don't think such a particular phrase is common from the games I've read here - link me link me! I agree lylo discussion is common and is used by all players not strong players but I've never seen it worded in this way before... "I won't let you live in lylo" - "I won't", doesn't that word choice come across as possessive to you? It does to me, and for what Town purpose? Ryu needs to expound on this and explain his thought processes in more detail but he was on the phone... ...

Why aren't you on Ryu?

I'll answer that in time, but I'm currently quite ill and wanna focus on catching scum (aka. you). I'm not on Red Ryu because I'm on you atm, I'll read Red Ryu once I have the energy to do so.

A few examples:

If you are going to follow people based on their attitude in this game, I want you lynched early because you will just be a liability in Mylo/Lylo. Are your reads honestly goin to be skewed with Zen because he's nice to you vs people that are less personable in a game they take seriously?

KevinM does it all the time, I first ran into the phrase playing him in Code Geass mafia (still salty about the balance in that game btw).

anyway I've decided to put you in the "needs to die before lylo" pile. but you can live over Kevin and inactives.

Omni does it a lot too.


I could cite others, but I think I've made my point, it's extremely common for players who are looking to produce a strong endgame team.



But here's the interesting thing I see, in the second example, not only were you in that game (as chuckie), you QUOTED THAT EXACT POST. I also don't see any objections for it being scummy AND omni flipped town.


So don't try to pull the ignorance card, you saw a weak player and you attacked, regardless of his alignment, you are scum.


So, what do you say dear?

 

[Kataefi]

omg this is awful. However, I do think after looking at the exchanges between Dark Horse/Ran that Dark Horse had this scenario in the cards, planned I felt, in a bid to get quick unscripted reactions from Ran, which he did but I think this wonderful intimate moment was reliant on Dark Horse being active in the livetopic at the same time WHICH HE WASN'T Of course this is conjecture and Dark Horse needs to shed some more. I need to think about this...
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@Ryu: Yes I agree you may not like my push on you because you're on the receiving end of it I'd probably hate it too Can you understand where my analysis on that line comes from though? Also to clarify, I'm not mentally warped by just that, hence my ongoing second question --> To explain: you stated early D1 "how will this affect other players?" or something along those lines in the heat of Chibo vs Swiss. I expressed that I felt you showed a strange concern for these other players, players I felt one should always be doubtful about, not concerned for in a caring way. So I'm simply keen to know why this was the case; Why were you interested in how Chibo's methods would affect other players?
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@Deus: but those examples prove everything about nothing. I'm highlighting Ryu's possessive use of lylo. Where does this exist in both Moriarty's and Omni's quotes? It doesn't.

Omni's quote was FF7 correct? Chuckie was scum-scums. We were in positions to sweet-talk relentlessly about mafia and essay right about nothing to make ourselves look clever. Shame we got poisoned. Also I'm glad you've brought this up because as of next week I might have to summon it. Chuckie is very different dynamically to myself as solo. If you want a good description of ChuckieKatTown and KatTown here, observe the strangely written and/or blue posts in Halo where I catch all 3 scum by... D1, by looking at word choices as I am here. Also observe Discworld where I looked at word choices there and pinned Cello D1, Gheb D2 and Swiss on my last important post of the game. Word choices word choices word choices... I scumhunt by looking at word choices.

So don't try to pull the ignorance card, you saw a weak player and you attacked, regardless of his alignment, you are scum.

Why can't you answer now despite rebutting against me? What was the point in saying such a phrase? Actually, why didn't you raise this issue with my first main post in D1? I attacked Red Ryu as early as there yet you selectively quoted part of a post I made on D2 on one particular point I made against him and not the others.

FWIW, I'm not planning to exclusively "attack" Ryu - I have focus on Ryu, Joey/Nabe, Chaco atm toDay. Dark/Ran is also a focus point but I need to reread. These are my leads. I'm in need of Ryu to expound on the questions I have asked before I continue making further assertions!

 

[Kataefi]

essay right = essay write

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Unvote, Vote: Ran

Yeah, that shot was fake. However, there are a couple of things I need to point out:

1. Why would you claim before there was ANY recognition of my shot beng real. A town princess claim is really fragile. It should never be claimed unless your sure you're dead, as it can destroy town.

2. And then there's the matter of BPs themselves. BPs are an extremley coninient claim. Nobody'll lynch you. If you don't die, you can just say the docs on you. In addition, look at NBC. And oddworld (ever read through this game, just looked through the end. Not 100% sure). And sonic. What were the beloved princesses? Scum.

Really shady claim, and his scumminess makes him confirmed scum in my mind.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Has anyone else thought of how Scum was killed n1 and no townies?

 

[adumbrodeus]

omg this is awful. However, I do think after looking at the exchanges between Dark Horse/Ran that Dark Horse had this scenario in the cards, planned I felt, in a bid to get quick unscripted reactions from Ran, which he did but I think this wonderful intimate moment was reliant on Dark Horse being active in the livetopic at the same time WHICH HE WASN'T Of course this is conjecture and Dark Horse needs to shed some more. I need to think about this...
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@Ryu: Yes I agree you may not like my push on you because you're on the receiving end of it I'd probably hate it too Can you understand where my analysis on that line comes from though? Also to clarify, I'm not mentally warped by just that, hence my ongoing second question --> To explain: you stated early D1 "how will this affect other players?" or something along those lines in the heat of Chibo vs Swiss. I expressed that I felt you showed a strange concern for these other players, players I felt one should always be doubtful about, not concerned for in a caring way. So I'm simply keen to know why this was the case; Why were you interested in how Chibo's methods would affect other players?
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@Deus: but those examples prove everything about nothing. I'm highlighting Ryu's possessive use of lylo. Where does this exist in both Moriarty's and Omni's quotes? It doesn't.

Omni's quote was FF7 correct? Chuckie was scum-scums. We were in positions to sweet-talk relentlessly about mafia and essay right about nothing to make ourselves look clever. Shame we got poisoned. Also I'm glad you've brought this up because as of next week I might have to summon it. Chuckie is very different dynamically to myself as solo. If you want a good description of ChuckieKatTown and KatTown here, observe the strangely written and/or blue posts in Halo where I catch all 3 scum by... D1, by looking at word choices as I am here. Also observe Discworld where I looked at word choices there and pinned Cello D1, Gheb D2 and Swiss on my last important post of the game. Word choices word choices word choices... I scumhunt by looking at word choices.



Why can't you answer now despite rebutting against me? What was the point in saying such a phrase? Actually, why didn't you raise this issue with my first main post in D1? I attacked Red Ryu as early as there yet you selectively quoted part of a post I made on D2 on one particular point I made against him and not the others.

FWIW, I'm not planning to exclusively "attack" Ryu - I have focus on Ryu, Joey/Nabe, Chaco atm toDay. Dark/Ran is also a focus point but I need to reread. These are my leads. I'm in need of Ryu to expound on the questions I have asked before I continue making further assertions!

Kata my dear, why are you misrepresenting me here, it's not attacking Red Ryu in and of itself that is scummy, Red Ryu may legitimately be scum of a different faction then you and your other points might have been perfectly valid. Or he might be a townie that made mistakes, to be frank I have yet to explore the rest of your case against him because right now I am concentrating on why YOU are scum.

What's scummy is what I quoted, your attempt to turn a statement about why somebody shouldn't be alive in lylo into a scumslip when you've seen statements identical in substance used by a number of people regardless of alignment for perfectly valid reasons.


"Possessive use of lylo" is not a substantiative difference, because unlike what you said it doesn't imply anything about surviving till lylo. While it does imply an attempt to engineer who makes it to lylo (the over protectedness you suggested) so do all statements about who should and shouldn't survive till lylo, and that's not a bad thing, part of town's objective is to engineer a strong team in lylo.


So, without a substantiative difference, it's obvious what your case is, an attempt to use RR to get an easy mislynch, he was already heavy suspicion from yesterday, pushing him a little more should be safe, right?


I see through you my dear *kiss*

 

[Kataefi]

There was a beloved princess claim in Oddworld by Maylingo. She wasn't actually a princess - she was a Tailor.

Really shady claim, and his scumminess makes him confirmed scum in my mind.

Dark can you explain Ran in more detail? Also what were your expectations from Ran when you shot. Did you anticipate a claim?

 

[Beat!]

Sigh... I guess I'll claim because I'm afraid of DH's vig being real.

I AM THE TOWN PRINCESS.

If that vig was fake, lynch DH.

asdfgnsgtesrtwaelkrtysehnteltryht

If the vig was fake (which it apparently was), you WEREN'T GOING TO DIE and there was NO NEED TO CLAIM.

If the vig would've been real, you were DYING ANYWAY, and there would've STILL been NO NEED to claim since we would've seen your role upon flip ANYWAY.

You even said that you WEREN'T going to claim. Why did you change your mind?

;____;


Ran or Ruy toDay imo. The princess claim screams self-preservation.

 

[Kataefi]

Why have you decided that it is not a substantiative difference? I've explained how I view the difference between both. What do you explicitly disagree on and I'll go into detail.

I'm confused by your push atm because the point your highlighting is in excess of others, not solo. What do you think of the remaining points I've made against Ryu and why are you simply targeting one aspect of my thoughts when I've dissected my entire thought process in this game? =? It's selective reading from your part - what makes this stranger is that you're too ill to answer questions from me directed at you regarding your play and thoughts, yet you're perfectly fine and clearly not ill enough when it comes to attacking my defences.

"Possessive use of lylo" is a substantiative difference because it has connotations about expecting to survive till lylo.

 

[Kataefi]

that was @Deus obvs

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

There was a beloved princess claim in Oddworld by Maylingo. She wasn't actually a princess - she was a Tailor.

Case in point.

Dark can you explain Ran in more detail? Also what were your expectations from Ran when you shot. Did you anticipate a claim?

Soon after the day started, Ran voted chibo becase "swss was town, nice plan". When I ask him wether he reacted the same way, he just repeats hat he wasn't for the plan and swiss fliped town, and just dismisses my attack as a chainsaw. He then also blanlantly refuses to answer my question (and also won't go into it, because "It'll go nowhere".

When I had dayvigged ran, had expected one or more of these:

1. He gives up. Claims scum or implies so.

2. A panicky scumbuddy tries to defend him.

3. He does an act of desperation (Such as claiming scum and partners with a townie or claiming doc and hoping to get CC'd to out the real doc).

I wasn't expecting a BP claim, mostly because it's a dangerous and uncommon role, and i've never seen a town BP.

However, looking back, #2 also happened. Look at RR's 998. He tells no one to claim (which implies he didn't see ran). But tells me that he hopes I didn't just dayvig ran. THis implies two things:

1. He did not want ran dayvigged for some reason. iirc, he never expressed a townie read toward ran. I don't see why he would be so mad if I dayvigged ran otherwise.

2. He assumed my shot was real. WHy would he assume something like thi? A townie should have not have known.

So yeah, ran/RR GGs

 

[CT Chia]

Unvote, Vote: Ran

Yeah, that shot was fake. However, there are a couple of things I need to point out:

1. Why would you claim before there was ANY recognition of my shot beng real. A town princess claim is really fragile. It should never be claimed unless your sure you're dead, as it can destroy town.

2. And then there's the matter of BPs themselves. BPs are an extremley coninient claim. Nobody'll lynch you. If you don't die, you can just say the docs on you. In addition, look at NBC. And oddworld (ever read through this game, just looked through the end. Not 100% sure). And sonic. What were the beloved princesses? Scum.

Really shady claim, and his scumminess makes him confirmed scum in my mind.

As much as I don't want Ran in the game right now and agree with your case, I believe his claim.
His posting style completely matches up with acting if he just found out he was randomly shot, and was townie at that, what wit going into a flurry of posts quickly trying to push his stance ending with a claim. Also knowing Ran, I would believe him to actually think he was shot and didn't consider it to be fake. That is a dirty tactic DH <_< Even if people think what I did at game start is dirty or now, this is bad, but you're lucky as hell you picked Ran because it actually helped us so we can avoid lynching the Town Princess (I believe Ran's claim).

 

[adumbrodeus]

Why have you decided that it is not a substantiative difference? I've explained how I view the difference between both. What do you explicitly disagree on and I'll go into detail.

And I explained why it wasn't, that there's nothing within the statement that even remotely suggests that.

I'm confused by your push atm because the point your highlighting is in excess of others, not solo. What do you think of the remaining points I've made against Ryu and why are you simply targeting one aspect of my thoughts when I've dissected my entire thought process in this game? =? It's selective reading from your part - what makes this stranger is that you're too ill to answer questions from me directed at you regarding your play and thoughts, yet you're perfectly fine and clearly not ill enough when it comes to attacking my defences.

Dearie, I wasn't saying you were highlighting in excess of others, I only said that this particular point of this particular case is not only BS, but you know that it's BS, therefore it's a scummy push on an easy target.

As far as my illness, you're misunderstanding, I am putting my mental energy into this because lynching scum is the priority, as opposed to rereading and drawing conclusions about the players you asked me about.

"Possessive use of lylo" is a substantiative difference because it has connotations about expecting to survive till lylo.

Please my dear, I already answered that.

"Possessive use of lylo" is not a substantiative difference, because unlike what you said it doesn't imply anything about surviving till lylo. While it does imply an attempt to engineer who makes it to lylo (the over protectedness you suggested) so do all statements about who should and shouldn't survive till lylo, and that's not a bad thing, part of town's objective is to engineer a strong team in lylo.

I suggest that you attempt to prove it if you really do believe it says something about survival.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Chibo, how is his reaction different from panicky scum who just got shot? Your reasons coil apply o both sides.

 

[CT Chia]

When scum dies there is nothing for them to convince really, as with when they flip everyone will take their words with a grain of salt since it's just a wifom mess. A townie on the other hand only has a few moments (pending an active mod) to completely spill out all of their thoughts and opinions on themselves and everyone else in the game. The panic also shows more truth (think back to what Kat said about the quick timing showing more authentic reactions), which makes me believe his claim more.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Hey Nabe, I think you missed #797. Joey was my second scumpick, of course I was ok with Joey. I'm still ok with your slot going.

797 is a post by Seph??
Specifically, my problem with your 792 was that it was a post that only contained a vote, and that you were asked in 793 to explain the reason for that vote, and as far as I can see, you didn't. Is there a response I'm not seeing?
Never mind lol, I see it now. 793 was in response to Joey's 790. Point dropped.

I would have voted but I didn't know what the votes were, and WL hamemered himself.

This is fair. But you haven't explained my main problem with 833.

Right, I understand WL will just be a distraction for the rest of the game. I just think Swiss acted anti-town, and that is putting so much pressure on WL.

Yet a WL lynch would determine why Joey is so against it now.

What does this line mean?

What is bizzare about my 901?

I'll quote it.

We can lynch Chibo, but if he flips town, I'll gun you down RR. K?

You say that you'll allow Ryu to have his Chibo lynch, but that if Chibo is town, Ryu will be next. For you to actually follow through with that would be odd, unless there's a reason that Chibotown implies Ryuscum? But I don't think you've expressed anything like that.

What do you currently think of Ryu?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Chibo, ran had mostly just panicked, and had claimed, and said "lynch DH if he's telling the truth".

In addition, this whole matter "lynch DH if he's telling the truth shows another thing: Ehat reason would he have to lynch me, except for "shooting the bp", though I did not know ran was a bp at the time. Ran's playing with some knowledge that the average townie doesn't have.

 

[CT Chia]

I assume you mean tp and not bp?

And when Ran said that I just completely ignored it, he was clearly just upset thinking it happened, massive ate

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe what did you think of Joey and his thoughts? Could you go in depth?

I don't have in-depth notes on Joey. I respect that he did play a scummy D1, and that some people want the slot lynched as a result. He supported a bad horse. It's a shame.

What's confusing about this? Swiss' cryptic persona and his ability to dodge questions a hundred million billion trillion times took me back to Chuckie vs Swiss Volumes 1 to 9, hence my support. Nostalgia is PAIN Saying this, I was confused why he didn't undergo his usual transformation. Also, major sidenote: I reread my big post D1 and it read "my picks are swissy/joey/swissy"... Ryu should replace the second swissy.

I can't speak to your meta on Swiss, I don't know whether or not that adequately explains your reasoning. What you've said here seems to jive with what you said in 680 about Swiss, though. Your picks listing Swiss twice, I thought that was on purpose. Anyway, point dropped.

Also, quickly, could you elaborate on Chaco?

Sure. I first read him in Community Mafia, while reading for Swiss in FF6 Mafia. I find his play to be completely against my own style, like brushing a cat the wrong way. Other than that, I think my 951 covers most of his bad posts. Sandwiched between null and scum.

 

[Chaco]

Did I play in Community Mafia? Hahaha. I dint remember that, if you're gonna meta me. Look at all my games, cause if I don't remember that, i doubt I really played.

@Kat: Because I read one of his messages wrong and thought he had crumbed and Indy role.

Iphone post, real one later.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

How is 747 scummy? I practically told WL that his flip tells us if the color crap was important or not. If he flipped scum, I would likely be following Chibo's list and looking for those who didn't show signs of knowing the color.

Ok, WL. Why are you saying we'll go into D2 with no leads? I have plenty of leads of who might be who. But most of those depend on your flip. I would rather you die and have the color shenanigans cleared then go with someone else and have this wifom still up to bat.

tl;dr your flip gives town alot of knowledge regardless of alignment.

747 read, to me, as saying "there's leads! They exist! But I'm not telling you what they are. :3" I find that scum often say that they don't know what the connections from a lynch will be because that player hasn't flipped yet. I was concerned that you were using an easy justification strategy for WL's lynch. I can see now that you've posted your leads; Chaco and Nix.

Would you say that a WL town flip led you to Chacoscum and Nixscum? Because I feel that's implied in your 747, that your reads toDay literally depended on WL's flip.

What do you mean by "shows no signs of attempting to reevaluate." And how is the post ugly? In my point of view, Joey decided to unvote WL not because he didn't think he was scummy. But because he "felt bad for the mod." IMO, that's not what you should do when you previously had a scum lead. Very unsportsmanlike like.

Your 750 talks about Joey avoiding logic and evidence re: Chibo's strategy. Meanwhile, others had pointed out that Chibo's strategy didn't really clear anyone and didn't really condemn Swiss/WL. I would expect some reevaluation from you regarding that.

I called fault to it because there it was obvious. I also took the tone I did because at this point in the game I was getting annoyed with certain players. I know I shouldn't have called him a ******, but how is my tone considered scummy?

It's not a scummy tone, it's just not a likable tone. What you've said here all makes sense and I can see why you'd be annoyed. 772 though, to me, looked like it could be an attempt at defeating WL's 772 by defeating a small and obvious piece of it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Chaco: I was wrong, you weren't in Community. Tales of Symphonia is what I meant. Swiss got lynched on D1 and while he was scum, I remember disagreeing with the way you got there. Anyway, not trying to meta you.

 

[Chaco]

Oh, it's all good, yeah I have a very abrasive style, haha.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ran, please claim character as well since you've come halfway.

Ryu, is there some reason you responded in 1000 to a question addressed to Adumb?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I think that what Kat says re: the lylo quote has merit. The quotes that you've chosen in your 1009, Adumb, are of people saying "you need to die before lylo". What Ryu said, in comparison, is essentially "I don't want you in my lylo." The phrasing implies that he's town, and I think this fits in quite handily with my points on Ryu as well, that he's putting himself forward as being here and present and taking control of the game when he's not.

@Kat, what do you think about Beat?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Case in point.




Soon after the day started, Ran voted chibo becase "swss was town, nice plan". When I ask him wether he reacted the same way, he just repeats hat he wasn't for the plan and swiss fliped town, and just dismisses my attack as a chainsaw. He then also blanlantly refuses to answer my question (and also won't go into it, because "It'll go nowhere".

When I had dayvigged ran, had expected one or more of these:

1. He gives up. Claims scum or implies so.

2. A panicky scumbuddy tries to defend him.

3. He does an act of desperation (Such as claiming scum and partners with a townie or claiming doc and hoping to get CC'd to out the real doc).

I wasn't expecting a BP claim, mostly because it's a dangerous and uncommon role, and i've never seen a town BP.

However, looking back, #2 also happened. Look at RR's 998. He tells no one to claim (which implies he didn't see ran). But tells me that he hopes I didn't just dayvig ran. THis implies two things:

1. He did not want ran dayvigged for some reason. iirc, he never expressed a townie read toward ran. I don't see why he would be so mad if I dayvigged ran otherwise.

2. He assumed my shot was real. WHy would he assume something like thi? A townie should have not have known.

So yeah, ran/RR GGs

Lots of assumptions here.

I don't want a townie dagvig'd by someone who wants to shoot wildly like that. If you legit shot him, I was still gonna say wtf, because it looked like an OMGUS shot.

I didn't assume it was real just saying I acknowledged you may have very well just done that, since even I didn't know you did it or not.

I'm mad because I though you made a stupid shot off what looked like an OMGUS moment, you tend to get nice bold letters and yell at people in this game as I've seen when you pulled an OMGUS when I called out Chibo on going off BS.

You scum?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Hey there Nix start posting.

 

[Nix2100]

Got bored, I'll do it tomorrow.

Took you 2 hours to get bored? I barely have any posts compared everyone else here, it shouldn't of been that difficult to go look at them.

Oh yeah:

@Seph: Can you explain your strong town read on me? I have only been scum once, and that was with you in our Newbie. <3 I have play many games after that. Do you think it is right for you to compare all my other games to that one scum game? I was a bit defensive naturally because there were some parts of the game I didn't understand, like Vandie voting me in RVS lol.

Seriously, don't rely solely on meta.

I kind of like this, as it sort of reminds me of myself when someone tries buddying me by saying im a good player >_> All i can do is stare and ask them what they were smoking for even thinking of such a thing. Questiong another persons clears on yourself when they just dont make sense ^_^

Since I'm talking about Ran here. The response after DH's fake vig shot can go both ways, scum panicing and town panicing. I dont see it as anything but a null-tell. The claiming bugs me. However if by chance we do have a vig that can kill in nighttime it might be best to kill Ran >_> That way we dont have to worry about losing a day time

Yea, I know this idea will probably get me yelled at but having a princess in the day time is somewhat risky and I think we are already ahead with the RB being dead

You do realize that chibo probably had no idea what swiss's alignment was when he create dhis plan, and it also had a shot.

Unless of course, Chibo is scum, then I think he would have a fairly good idea on alignments.

Risky fake Vig shot, what would happen if Ran came out as a doctor? Kind of don't like it but now im stuck wondering on if Ran is lying about being TP, if your scum or if your both townies -_-

Still looking around D1 stuff though.

How are you STILL looking around D1 stuff? Don't like this, reminds me of those "Im gonna go re-read and give my thoughts later"....but never does.

Has anyone else thought of how Scum was killed n1 and no townies?

I try not to give it up much thought, its far too early in the day and it be nothing but If's. Just be glad the RB is dead.


@Nabe - Don't be a jerk, I'll post when I post which is always atleast once every 2 days =P

Nix, who's scum? What do you think of Ryu?

I'm leaning back on Chibo. He takes a aggresive take charge stance on Day 1, then Day 2 comes around and.....nothing? No scum hunting, his posts seem really defensive more then anything and it makes me think he is taking a step back into the dark to glide to the next day. I said it before that I find people suspicious when they attempt to lead town Day 1, and to fact that you stepped back from that makes it even more so >_>

Not sure about Ryu, theres plenty of people after him at the moment so I've kind of decided not to worry about that right now and look elsewhere.

 

[Kataefi]

I think that what Kat says re: the lylo quote has merit. The quotes that you've chosen in your 1009, Adumb, are of people saying "you need to die before lylo". What Ryu said, in comparison, is essentially "I don't want you in my lylo." The phrasing implies that he's town, and I think this fits in quite handily with my points on Ryu as well, that he's putting himself forward as being here and present and taking control of the game when he's not.

@Kat, what do you think about Beat?

^this this this! @all, mainly at Deus: I never expected to go into this much detail but it's fascinating stuff:

Cite: Cello's use of lylo in Discworld and compare this to, say, all Town games. The cryptic "Careful Kat, lynch me in lylo", D2, is something Mayling instantly latched on to in our tinychat shenanigans and was one of the reasons we simply hammered before he even had a chance to claim. Why specifically the mention of lylo? Why is this significant? Cello was scum-scum and couldn't die in the Night. It was his expectation to reach that point.

Cite: Omni in Mario Kart and his usage of lylo. Don't you see a difference between this and the way he referenced lylo in, say, FF7 mafia? Why wasn't he afraid of impending NKs despite being very clearcut throughout the game in his stances? The word choices are different and this is the distinction I'm highlighting. The bulletproof mechanics in MK can explain this and gave him survival options and an ability to manufacture his world perfect lylo, which likely explains his word choices there imo.

More on request. I have a scum-Chuckie one but I need to search in Mine and Vanz' QT to explain our thought processes behind it. The QT's quite massive. Also I can't prove any scum slip with absolutes. Can this be done?

[Q2UOTE=adumbrodeus;12513279]As far as my illness, you're misunderstanding, I am putting my mental energy into this because lynching scum is the priority, as opposed to rereading and drawing conclusions about the players you asked me about.[/QUOTE]

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Aside from myself who else are you considering? why? Any assertions you can make from JTB's flip?
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Regarding JTB's flip actually: @Nix: what did you think of JTB's interactions with Ran and Joey D1?

JTB seemed to reside heavily on the sidelines and I feel he made quite a few complimentary posts like "nice catch, seph", which didn't seem to lead anywhere =/
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Going back 2 ur question Nabe: I had to do an ISO on Beatstick because I'm seeing him as a bit of a non-entity this game. I think the events D1 just caused players to get swept into the moment, so actual good content is minimal [I feel JTB fell into this criteria upon looking back as did Joey]. But I'm interested in what his thoughts are on Nix considering he was "pretty sure" Nix was scum D1 yet his thoughts toDay seem to speak otherwise. #675 stands out but only because it looked difficult to respond to - how was Ran to approach such a post when BeatStick answered on his behalf in the same post? I thought that was weird if Beat had a genuine interest in Ran's thoughts. Expect a fuller answer soon. Leaning null, lol. I wouldn't consider him a lynch toDay atm but @Beat: if you could answer these points that'd be grand
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Ryu still hasn't answered me despite posting. Why is it things end up dragging on? Efficiency is lost! >.> Could you just explain why you were concerned for other players amidst Chibo's aggressiveness plz?

 

[adumbrodeus]

^this this this! @all, mainly at Deus: I never expected to go into this much detail but it's fascinating stuff:

Cite: Cello's use of lylo in Discworld and compare this to, say, all Town games. The cryptic "Careful Kat, lynch me in lylo", D2, is something Mayling instantly latched on to in our tinychat shenanigans and was one of the reasons we simply hammered before he even had a chance to claim. Why specifically the mention of lylo? Why is this significant? Cello was scum-scum and couldn't die in the Night. It was his expectation to reach that point.

Cite: Omni in Mario Kart and his usage of lylo. Don't you see a difference between this and the way he referenced lylo in, say, FF7 mafia? Why wasn't he afraid of impending NKs despite being very clearcut throughout the game in his stances? The word choices are different and this is the distinction I'm highlighting. The bulletproof mechanics in MK can explain this and gave him survival options and an ability to manufacture his world perfect lylo, which likely explains his word choices there imo.

More on request. I have a scum-Chuckie one but I need to search in Mine and Vanz' QT to explain our thought processes behind it. The QT's quite massive. Also I can't prove any scum slip with absolutes. Can this be done?

[Q2UOTE=adumbrodeus;12513279]As far as my illness, you're misunderstanding, I am putting my mental energy into this because lynching scum is the priority, as opposed to rereading and drawing conclusions about the players you asked me about.

...

Aside from myself who else are you considering? why? Any assertions you can make from JTB's flip?
_

Regarding JTB's flip actually: @Nix: what did you think of JTB's interactions with Ran and Joey D1?

JTB seemed to reside heavily on the sidelines and I feel he made quite a few complimentary posts like "nice catch, seph", which didn't seem to lead anywhere =/
_

Going back 2 ur question Nabe: I had to do an ISO on Beatstick because I'm seeing him as a bit of a non-entity this game. I think the events D1 just caused players to get swept into the moment, so actual good content is minimal [I feel JTB fell into this criteria upon looking back as did Joey]. But I'm interested in what his thoughts are on Nix considering he was "pretty sure" Nix was scum D1 yet his thoughts toDay seem to speak otherwise. #675 stands out but only because it looked difficult to respond to - how was Ran to approach such a post when BeatStick answered on his behalf in the same post? I thought that was weird if Beat had a genuine interest in Ran's thoughts. Expect a fuller answer soon. Leaning null, lol. I wouldn't consider him a lynch toDay atm but @Beat: if you could answer these points that'd be grand
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Ryu still hasn't answered me despite posting. Why is it things end up dragging on? Efficiency is lost! >.> Could you just explain why you were concerned for other players amidst Chibo's aggressiveness plz?[/QUOTE]

Yet kata you still HAVE YET TO PROVE YOUR FIRST ASSERTION. Namely that his statement implies he has greater control, over who gets to lylo. The only difference between his statement and "I don't want you in lylo" is that it implies a more active approach, specifically that he wants the person in question lynched.

Given the information that you presented on how you used this in the past, I might believe that at least you believe it's legitimate (perhaps citations from the game he was in with EE would be in order?), except for one thing, you STILL haven't explained where you drew this conclusion from his statement. Your continual side-stepping of the question suggests that you don't have an answer, and you hope to distract people away from that.


If you have an answer, enlighten us dear, please. I promise I'll be gentle.






I should have concrete opinions about everything else tonight, but in the meantime...


@all: What do you think of Kata's continued refusal to explain why RR's statement implies control over lylo? Is Kata scum?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Well, my dears, it seems that the formatting god doesn't like me, the starting line should be rather obvious though, it's right after the [/quote] tag.

 

[ranmaru]

I was afraid we wouldn't had had Twilight like last time. My reaction to the shot is because I'm the princess.

@Beatstick: Reason I changed my mind is stated above.

This is fair. But you haven't explained my main problem with 833.

What does this line mean?


You say that you'll allow Ryu to have his Chibo lynch, but that if Chibo is town, Ryu will be next. For you to actually follow through with that would be odd, unless there's a reason that Chibotown implies Ryuscum? But I don't think you've expressed anything like that.

What do you currently think of Ryu?

It means that Joey was STRONGLY for Chibo's plan. Then, WL replaced in. Then he STRONGLY opposed it. WL flipped town. He was always saying "If WL flips town, ran is going down next" etc.

No, not really. There isn't really a connection between them. It's just that I agreed with RR on Chibo and Joey, but he hasn't really posted that much content. That is why I would go after him if Chibo flipped town.

I agree with his picks, but I don't like that he isn't bringing that much content. I'd like to see him commit more.

My char is Ashley, the President's Daughter.

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