Resident Evil 4 Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins!!!

[ranmaru]

Ran, why are you switching your vote like it's your job?

I voted Nix for pressure. You use voting as a tool. Pressure, and lynching. I thought Nix replaced in to this game, but I was wrong so I unvoted back to DH. ;o

Why do you ask?

 

[Chaco]

@Kat: Chibo legitimately cleared Adumb. He coded out seagreen. If there's anything else I missed, I'm on my phone. I'll reread tonight.

 

[Nix2100]

Is anyone else noticing the amount of posts that have been occuring with the lines "Im on my phone, I'll post later"......I wonder how many have actually posted later >_>

@Ran - Yes, because 1 vote is some major pressure, especially coming from you >_> And I get to throw this question right back at you. Have you not been reading? I know i don't post like 10 times a day but really, not knowing I've been here since the game started makes me wonder.

@Adum - I don't agree with your Chibo point. Aggressive play on Day 1 sure....where's that play now? You don't find that a little odd at all?

My vote seeems left out =( So sad...Let's see how this one vote pressure works

Vote: Chibo

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Beatstick

Adumb, I'd like to know what you think of my alignment based off of me. Your analysis is on Joey at the moment, which is cool, but what you've listed isn't infallible as a town tell, so there's room for analysis of me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Is anyone else noticing the amount of posts that have been occuring with the lines "Im on my phone, I'll post later"......I wonder how many have actually posted later >_>

@Ran - Yes, because 1 vote is some major pressure, especially coming from you >_> And I get to throw this question right back at you. Have you not been reading? I know i don't post like 10 times a day but really, not knowing I've been here since the game started makes me wonder.

@Adum - I don't agree with your Chibo point. Aggressive play on Day 1 sure....where's that play now? You don't find that a little odd at all?

My vote seeems left out =( So sad...Let's see how this one vote pressure works

Vote: Chibo

I posted my JTB analysis.

I'll wait for Chaco on this one regarding his posting later.

I don't agree with Chibo either but I want to see how Beatstick thinks of me and Nabe voting on him. Cause I wanna know if he is Fire Emblem former scum mate scum in this game.

 

[Chaco]

Is anyone else noticing the amount of posts that have been occuring with the lines "Im on my phone, I'll post later"......I wonder how many have actually posted later >_>

I'm getting to it now, thank you. I have an iPhone. It's handy for quick posts. Not handy for re-reads. I will post off of my phone A LOT.

 

[ranmaru]

Is anyone else noticing the amount of posts that have been occuring with the lines "Im on my phone, I'll post later"......I wonder how many have actually posted later >_>

@Ran - Yes, because 1 vote is some major pressure, especially coming from you >_> And I get to throw this question right back at you. Have you not been reading? I know i don't post like 10 times a day but really, not knowing I've been here since the game started makes me wonder.

@Adum - I don't agree with your Chibo point. Aggressive play on Day 1 sure....where's that play now? You don't find that a little odd at all?

My vote seeems left out =( So sad...Let's see how this one vote pressure works

Vote: Chibo

Of course. You didn't really post much so I forgot about you.

 

[Kataefi]

work is being a right pain in the ***

Yes, townies attack weak townies, but they use arguments THEY BELIEVE.

Given the information that you presented on how you used this in the past, I might believe that at least you believe it's legitimate

...

anyway:

Why does "I'm not letting you near lylo" suggest anything about being alive at that point?

Let's compare "I don't want you" to "I'm not letting letting you" - the former's a want but the latter's a clearcut declaration of intent. STOP! I'm not letting YOU in lylo. The statement calls for action - throwing lylo in, doesn't that lean forceful and protective of that phase?... it's likely you'll answer no judging by your push but I'm answering yes, hence my idea of possessive lylo. Why such certainty in the declaration of his actions?...

OMG and another!:

Still not gonna let Chibo into Lylo

That word, "Still"... the phrase reads as though Ryu is the guardian of lylo himself that's an exageration, but again why such certainty in his declaration?... he could drop dead for all he should know as a townie at the mercy of the scummies.

So I asked myself regarding his turn of phrase D1 that does this imply beneath the surface that he intends to stick around to fulfil his actions? that is, to make sure Chibo isn't getting to lylo? Does he know he's surviving NKills? Did he slip? Hence, and for the billionth time , it's something I wanted looking into and certainly not something I would lynch Ryu exclusively for, but something I wanted looking into.

I don't think swiss would troll us like that, swiss plays to win.

...by trolling

What do I think of your alignment? I'm leaning null to Town, particularly your D1 play I remember liking you what with the way you looked committed and cool-headed when making decisions. But there was something you said D2 that made me nervous along the lines of you concentrating all your resources to kill me... this read terminator-like to me, like it was a mission I'm going to reread because I feel like I'm relying on my memories.
_

I feel like this ones takes the cake and I am leaning towards scum however I am looking in another direction because, there is more than one mafia, I doubt a two man team, so looking for other scum is still something that must be done.

So you have placed chibo to one side for now... I see! Despite leaning scum on him, you have decided instead to pursue a different direction because you doubt it is a 2 man scum team. Um can you... please elaborate =?

Btw when you looked for interactions between JTB and everyone else in a bid to scumhunt, Chibo (who you now lean scum toward), wasn't really in focus at all. Instead you said a noncommittal statement of he's either "bad town or scum". What do you make of Chibo's/JTB's interactions now that you lean scummy on Chibo? Does this affect your reads or not?

This is why I was adamantly against a Swiss lynch, I had a huge gut feeling and when Washed Laundry confirmed it I knew it was a mislynch bound to happen.

I had to blink at this a couple of times... but how would you have known washedlaundry confirmed anything to you outside of a mod-confirmed flip? Could you go into detail about how WL confirmed anything to you that made you know it would be a mislynch.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Let's compare "I don't want you" to "I'm not letting letting you" - the former's a want but the latter's a clearcut declaration of intent. STOP! I'm not letting YOU in lylo. The statement calls for action - throwing lylo in, doesn't that lean forceful and protective of that phase?... it's likely you'll answer no judging by your push but I'm answering yes, hence my idea of possessive lylo. Why such certainty in the declaration of his actions?...

OMG and another!:



That word, "Still"... the phrase reads as though Ryu is the guardian of lylo himself that's an exageration, but again why such certainty in his declaration?... he could drop dead for all he should know as a townie at the mercy of the scummies.

So I asked myself regarding his turn of phrase D1 that does this imply beneath the surface that he intends to stick around to fulfil his actions? that is, to make sure Chibo isn't getting to lylo? Does he know he's surviving NKills? Did he slip? Hence, and for the billionth time , it's something I wanted looking into and certainly not something I would lynch Ryu exclusively for, but something I wanted looking into.

Ok, an explanation finally, and now I what you're saying, even though I disagree and interpret it as him declaring he's gonna lynch chibo ASAP, but I understand.

I could believe you believe what you're saying now, however I'm still uncomfortable with your earlier evasion, and this makes me even more uncomfortable.

Yes, townies attack weak townies, but they use arguments THEY BELIEVE.

Given the information that you presented on how you used this in the past, I might believe that at least you believe it's legitimate

...

You very clearly take the quote out of context, made obvious by the fact it stops mid-sentence.

Here's the actual quote:

Given the information that you presented on how you used this in the past, I might believe that at least you believe it's legitimate (perhaps citations from the game he was in with EE would be in order?), except for one thing, you STILL haven't explained where you drew this conclusion from his statement.

Removing the dependent clause makes it look like I believed you believe it, adding the dependent clause makes it obvious that it's supposed to be an explanation of why I didn't believe you believe it.

Why would town kata make it look like I'm contradicting myself when any reasonable examination of the sentence in question made it obvious that I wasn't?


I'm sorry beautiful, but for everything you explain you make more issues.

...by trolling

Swiss trolls, but he doesn't act counter to what he thinks are his faction's interest.

What do I think of your alignment? I'm leaning null to Town, particularly your D1 play I remember liking you what with the way you looked committed and cool-headed when making decisions. But there was something you said D2 that made me nervous along the lines of you concentrating all your resources to kill me... this read terminator-like to me, like it was a mission I'm going to reread because I feel like I'm relying on my memories.
_

And why do you think that was scummy?

Also, were you conscious of this during our prior conversation? Or did you reread and develop this opinion when I asked? If so, what was your opinion of me during the bulk of this conversation?

 

[Beat!]

Sorry for being inactive yesterday. I was sick. Rereading the last few pages.

 

[July]

Chapter 2-5, continues


1. Nabe [1] vVv ChiboSempai
2. Kataefi [1] adumbrodeus
3. Sephiroths Masamune [0]
4. Dark Horse [1] Ranmaru
5. adumbrodeus [0]
6. Ranmaru [1] Dark Horse
7. vVv ChiboSempai [1] Nix2100
8. Red Ryu [2] BeatStick, Kataefi
9. BeatStick [2] Red Ryu, Nabe
10. Nix2100 [0]
11. Chaco [1] Sephiroths Masamune

Not Voting: Chaco

With 11 alive it takes 6 to shoot...

Deadline is set for 4/19/11 at 12:00midnight.​

 

[CT Chia]

Because I thought Ashley would be a scum role, assuming that we were all Spanish dudes which seemed to be the case. Still seems to be the case.

I am not some spanish dude and I am town

JTB look at:

then he mentions about looking for individuals not pairs, scum should have separated from each other to try and leave few to no connections if they die,

...

I'm seeing this as distancing based on his behavior.

Kati
Beatstick
Myself
Adum

were rarely talked to or addressed, It's not adum, and I'll remove myself.

So Beatstick or Kati, since Kati had lower activity, I'm looking more so at Beatstick.

Vote: Beatstick

Seems reasonable

This is fair enough. I'm keen to hear what Chibo thinks about you in more detail.

My read on Chaco is more or less null. I feel like I haven't heard enough from him since in the majority of the action on Day 1 he wasn't around. I do recall a post or two that I said I enjoyed yesterday which is nice, but not enough to make him be a solid town tell for me. He just seems neutralish all around.

Still not gonna let Chibo into Lylo but I'm not gonna stop scum hunting just because I do want him lynched. I'm not sure which he is with Scum or Town, his need to preserve himself like he did makes me feel more like he's scum, but I can't be certain because...well it's Chibo he's done this before in other mafia I've been in with him.

This is a terrible ideal. I still don't get why you don't want me in lylo with some sort of vengeance. Why do you think this? What's wrong with wanting to stay alive? I don't even know how I did. I've never specifically done this plan before either, I've only watched others do it in games I was in.

Chibo's methods D1 I thought we gonna hurt town since Swiss for one reason or another refused to tell the color which was a town color.

You want to know what my D1 intentions were? To just ask Adum and make him confirmed scum or confirmed town. We either have a great player confirmed town or strong scum out on Day 1. That's it. It was Adum's idea to make it a chain to ask others (which you'll see I was initially against). Also, scum would NEVER ask that kind of question, since they wouldn't know the answers themselves. It's clear that scum in this game didn't have the color safe claims.

And if Swiss hadn't screwed everything up and you know... answered the question.

Thoughts on the shot, most likely case is a second killer, probably SK. The reason it's most likely SK is the following:

1. JTB was on "the list", unlikely that a vig would've shot somebody who was generally believed by town to be a cleared townie.

2. If JTB carried out the kill, it very neatly explains why mafia no killed, SKs usually go before mafia. A vig killing scum and a successful doc-protect/scum attacking a BP townie on the same night is a bit far-fetched.

3. Vigs usually no-shoot night 1 at least so town can tell the difference between them and SKs.

Makes perfect sense.

However, lets mix this up with some facts already in the game.

Fact: We know that there is a zombie as claimed, unless he (I believe Nabe) was lying. Who would lie about being an evil being though?

Possibility: Zombie cult role? They choose someone at night and if town they are turned into a zombie or if they choose scum they are killed? (Since they are already evil and zombieish)

It makes sense for a cultist to go for someone on the list, and lets face it, zombies being cultists matches the flavor perfectly.

@Adum - I don't agree with your Chibo point. Aggressive play on Day 1 sure....where's that play now? You don't find that a little odd at all?

Have you never played with me before?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Fact: We know that there is a zombie as claimed, unless he (I believe Nabe) was lying. Who would lie about being an evil being though?

You're kidding me, right? Your vote is on me for the incident you're talking about, surely you're sure of that much.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Hold on a sec....

CHibo, are you saying you have no idea what the alignment of zombies are?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

The following lynches are productive ones that I support:

Kat, Seph, DH, Adumb, Ran, Chibo, Ryu, Beat, Nix, Chaco

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

DH, have you been reading? You should probably not take that question any farther unless you've already read the fact that I've claimed a Spanish zombie dude and Chibo's claimed human.

Who's scum?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Depends on if chibo fullclaims.

You're not, though.

RIght now, it would point to chibo.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

No shh shut up.

Who's scum for reasons that aren't absolutely stupid and/or reasons that weren't thought up in the last 10 minutes?

 

[Beat!]

'kay, clearly my flavour analysis is long overdue, lol.

RE4 Wiki tells me there are 11 voiced human characters in RE4. Wesker isn't in our game so that's 10.

Merchant - flipped (Swiss/WL)
Ramon Salazar - flipped (JTB)
Osmund Saddler - big evil dude
Jack Krauser - mutated and evil or something
Bitores Mendez - evil dude with beard
Ada Wong
Ingrid Hunnigan - she's not even in Spain, lol, but who knows
Luis Sera
Leon
Ashley

It occurs to me that there are probably some village people mixed in, since obviously that's far too few humans and half of them are evil. Mafia is Salazar/Saddler/Mendez? Only the first two if there's an indy, balance-wise.

I'd love a full character claim if and when people get to it. But let's not linger, unless anyone else doubts that Ran is the same faction as them because they're a killer zombie dude and she's a little girl.

You are wrong on at least one point.

And the few times I've seen princess claims (I think it was in NBC?) they've been fake, so I'm skeptical towards Ran's claim.

Just super saiyan'

 

[Beat!]

I would respond to RR's case, but all he did was speculate about JTB's actions, so I can't say much except "you're wrong" in response.

Nabe, why are you voting me?

I don't agree with Chibo either but I want to see how Beatstick thinks of me and Nabe voting on him. Cause I wanna know if he is Fire Emblem former scum mate scum in this game.

I think your vote is dumb. Nabe's hasn't explained his vote, but it's most likely dumb as well.

There's your response.

 

[CT Chia]

You're kidding me, right? Your vote is on me for the incident you're talking about, surely you're sure of that much.

I believe you are a zombie, but I am not sure if I believe anything else. That's the part I was referring to.

Hold on a sec....

CHibo, are you saying you have no idea what the alignment of zombies are?

I do not.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

No shh shut up.

Who's scum for reasons that aren't absolutely stupid and/or reasons that weren't thought up in the last 10 minutes?

Let's see...

Your pretty ,much nabe. This "who's scum", voting while addressing other points, are things that i've seen you do as both alignments. Normally, I would have considered there scumtells, though it's just you.

Anyways, on to chibo. The color thing did have merit, and he got town points from me because of it. HIs "fading away" during this day less so. Ran's attack on chibo gives me a really odd vibe, the sudden turn to aggressiveness leads to believe it was scum plotting an attack on someone, though what I have no idea.

Between the two of you, I would go for chibo.

 

[ranmaru]

What? Why would you go for Chibo now?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Between Them

I have larger fish to fry.

Such as you.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Your pretty ,much nabe. This "who's scum", voting while addressing other points, are things that i've seen you do as both alignments. Normally, I would have considered there scumtells, though it's just you.

But again, this is useless.
Who are your scumpicks from D1? Have those changed coming into D2?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Nabe, I figured you might ask your read on me, if I just cited chibo.

My scumpicks from D1 were swiss/RR, with RR appearing later. It's switched to ran/RR, due to swiss flipping town and ran's spasms .

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@Sephiroth-plz-don't-stab-me-with-a-giant-sword: regarding Chaco, I'm not keen on people moaning at the Town and getting pissed off with the game. What's the point? I reread Chaco and I want to go more in depth later as I've got a driving lesson now, but it looks like this whole chip-on-shoulder play is something that warrants looking into. What do you think of my analysis on Ryu?

I have mixed feelings on it. Although your analysis makes sense, so does Adum's rebuttal. I think you should drop it for now and go for something else.

Oh yeah:

@Seph: Can you explain your strong town read on me? I have only been scum once, and that was with you in our Newbie. <3 I have play many games after that. Do you think it is right for you to compare all my other games to that one scum game? I was a bit defensive naturally because there were some parts of the game I didn't understand, like Vandie voting me in RVS lol.

Seriously, don't rely solely on meta.

We've played multiple games on AIM, or have you forgotten? Your AIM play style isn't that much different than your forum play style.

747 read, to me, as saying "there's leads! They exist! But I'm not telling you what they are. :3" I find that scum often say that they don't know what the connections from a lynch will be because that player hasn't flipped yet. I was concerned that you were using an easy justification strategy for WL's lynch. I can see now that you've posted your leads; Chaco and Nix. Would you say that a WL town flip led you to Chacoscum and Nixscum? Because I feel that's implied in your 747, that your reads toDay literally depended on WL's flip.

Chacoscum yes, Nix I had a vibe from earlier in the game.

Your 750 talks about Joey avoiding logic and evidence re: Chibo's strategy. Meanwhile, others had pointed out that Chibo's strategy didn't really clear anyone and didn't really condemn Swiss/WL. I would expect some reevaluation from you regarding that.

While others were failing to see the logic, Joey didn't. He knew why it was a good idea, but he simply changed sides for very weak reasoning.

It's not a scummy tone, it's just not a likable tone. What you've said here all makes sense and I can see why you'd be annoyed. 772 though, to me, looked like it could be an attempt at defeating WL's 772 by defeating a small and obvious piece of it.

If he really felt like I "defeated it" then he could just rewrite that small part of it.

Took you 2 hours to get bored? I barely have any posts compared everyone else here, it shouldn't of been that difficult to go look at them.

I wasn't only reading your posts, I did some IRL stuff and some other things on smashboards, and when I decided to get back to reading you, I got bored.

Also, after rereading you and JTB, I've decided to put you back to Null.

Because I thought Ashley would be a scum role, assuming that we were all Spanish dudes which seemed to be the case. Still seems to be the case.

How could this be possible if Ramon Salazar flipped mafia?

Regarding Ranmaru's claim: I think it's legit. Flavor wise it makes alot of sense, and when he first claimed town princess I was expecting his name claim to be Ashley.

It wasn't weak reasoning, Seph. The game was ****. If you hadn't noticed, my path never changed, Seph, so I wouldn't say opportunistic. I would've latched with more tact if it was an opportunistic vote, this was a clear cut I hate the way this game was being played and have no qualms with ridding a playerslot bogged down by the bull****. My reasoning also coincides with this:

@Nabe: It was your nitpicking. My start fresh meant without this whole game breaking nonsense, as you have saw it was already wrong, and JTB proves it fallible furthermore. It has virtually no use. That was another point in lynching Swiss, it proved the accuracy of Chibo's list. I oppose the idea, but since it's already been drawn out, might as well see if it holds truth.

Why didn't you say this the day before when I asked for your reasoning? Why wait until now to bring up this point?

@All: Thoughts on the list bull**** now?

I think we've already got it down that the list null. Why ask this when it's painfully obvious?

@Kat: Chibo legitimately cleared Adumb. He coded out seagreen. If there's anything else I missed, I'm on my phone. I'll reread tonight.

Adum isn't cleared though.

You say so yourself in this post

My start fresh meant without this whole game breaking nonsense, as you have saw it was already wrong, and JTB proves it fallible furthermore.

 

[Chaco]

The LIST, Seph, the list. Adumb is cleared.

I'm just home from work, post tomorrow. Yay school in a few hours.

 

[ranmaru]

List is dumb. JTB was in it and he was scum.

 

[Chaco]

Are you a moron...? /facepalm

 

[Nix2100]

Adum is only somewhat cleared because they were the FIRST person to answer the question, so unless scum got really freaking lucky its safe to somewhat assume they are town >_>

So Chibo....whats the plan? You seemed so sure of yourself yesterday but all your doing today is responding.

 

[Kataefi]

apologies for lack of posts etc etc etc etc! It's nearly the weekend so more time to concentrate. Not many posts... =/

@deusy: kk I thought you believed I believed it was legitimate from the way I was presenting information... and then went on to talk about one exception. So I kinda just assumed you had partial belief and wanted me to fill the gaps and is why I was deliberate when focusing on that part of the phrase --> basically I felt a contradiction (when you said townies make cases they believe in) because I thought at the time of this post you already had been on the road to thinking I believed my case on Ryu was a genuine one, just that one particular hole was missing regarding me now proving it. I interpreted this a bit too finicky and I get what you're saying.

"Concentrating all your efforts to kill me" (or resources???) made me slightly nervous because I had this buzz inclincation of oh em gee a lyncher what do I do what I do!!, but I'd attribute this moreso to dramatics and slight bias because I was the one under fire alternatively I thought this was a platform for a Kat tunnel and I had this notion in my mind that you wouldn't look into anyone else, but you have... That statement would have made me a bit more wary had you opted to continue on the "all my resources are on you" approach because that wouldn't be the all-eyes-on-all Deus I feel Ive read in other games.

I have mixed feelings on it. Although your analysis makes sense, so does Adum's rebuttal. I think you should drop it for now and go for something else.

what's your stance on ryu currently?

@Nix: who's scum?

 

[Kataefi]

o also deus what games have we been in together/you observed where I was town?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll post tomarrow.

 

[CT Chia]

I feel like I don't know too much about Kat in this game, something that's been on my mind as I read through everything.

Kat, can you give us like a mini summary of your thoughts on how this game has progressed so far? It certainly hasn't been a normal game by any means lol.

 

[Chaco]

I'm working through today so I won't be able to make a longer post until tomorrow afternoon probably. working the morning shift after closing... :/

V/LA for a day

 

[Beat!]

It's 12 am here and I'm gonna go sleep. Gonna post tomorrow.

 

[Nix2100]

Less prod dodging and more posting, dont say your gonna post tomorrow <_< Just post.

By the way, can we lynch chibo yet?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Unvote
Vote: Beat

 

[Nix2100]

@Kat - Almost forgot, scum picks at the moment are chibo, Seph and Chaco in that order......Keeping a eye on Ranmaru and DH at the moment, but they both seem towny and just picked the wrong targets....each other -_-