Resident Evil 4 Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins!!!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kati, you didn't even once refute my points just asserting more theorycraft again. The only control I have on Chibo for not letting him into Lylo is my ability to vote him, that is it. Stop assuming crap.

Your also taking statements I made out of context, I said I would live to lylo? When. When you follow through with don't let them into lylo, If I die I would rather be happier if Chibo went down as well because I do feel like he does not belong in town, after trying to "break" the game he stopped doing activity.

Two man scum team while plausable, would require far more indy and anti town roles to make it work. Do you honestly think the scum team is a two man? Or if so what are we looking at? two Indys? Second scum team? What do you think is going on in this 13 man set-up then?

Based on the 13 mans and short games I've watched around here, it's most likely a 3 man with a possible indy SK thrown in. Basic set-up imo. But Idk how J works as a game-mod it's not like Overswarm where you can guarantee that everyone has a PR role.

I believed WL more than Swiss because he immediately changed his play-style to play normally, Swiss trolled us or played cryptically for reasons I have no clue. If Adum says he plays to his win con even when trolling I have a hard time seeing how he did it in this game, where as WL seemed to do that better outside of the self vote which hammered him.

~

Chibo I don't want you in lylo because I find you bad for town to stick around. You stunt did not confirm anyone on that list far more than people off it in my eyes. What confirmed Adum was his play and other things he's done. I've been keeping an eye on him the same way strong players like Gheb worry me, I have a hard time nailing alignment sometimes when they can play blending scum really good, especially in Gheb's case.

So after this, who do you think is worth looking at now?

~

Beatstick, address my post better please and thank you, or rather answer this, between the three other ones, Kati, Myself, adum, what do you think of all of us? Town, indy, scum?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Two man scum team while plausable, would require far more indy and anti town roles to make it work. Do you honestly think the scum team is a two man? Or if so what are we looking at? two Indys? Second scum team? What do you think is going on in this 13 man set-up then?

Based on the 13 mans and short games I've watched around here, it's most likely a 3 man with a possible indy SK thrown in. Basic set-up imo. But Idk how J works as a game-mod it's not like Overswarm where you can guarantee that everyone has a PR role.

RR.

Scum died.

Why setup speculation?

 

[Beat!]

Beatstick, address my post better please and thank you

First you talk about what JTB did during D1. You then remove people from your list of suspicion based on extremely weak reasoning. Eventually I'm the only one left on your list.

It looks like you just did a write-up and ended up with whoever you wanted to vote for.

It's a bad case.

You're not addressing anything I've done, so IDK what else you want me to say.

or rather answer this, between the three other ones, Kati, Myself, adum, what do you think of all of us? Town, indy, scum?

I think you're scum
Adum is probably town
As for Kata, Adum brings up some good points, and he could be scum, but not together with you. I'm pretty sure one of you is scum though.

@Nabe
Are you gonna explain that vote anytime soon?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm answering Kati's questions, he doubts that this isn't a two man scum team for some reason.

I see no reason for this to not be a 3 man at least if we're trying to make a balanced game.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

First you talk about what JTB did during D1. You then remove people from your list of suspicion based on extremely weak reasoning. Eventually I'm the only one left on your list.

It looks like you just did a write-up and ended up with whoever you wanted to vote for.

It's a bad case.

You're not addressing anything I've done, so IDK what else you want me to say.

I removed myself and Adum because we're not scummy.

So we are left with Kati and you. Kati was inactive for the most part of D1, so I have more reason to think you would be the separated scum buddy.

Are you my former scummate from FE scum this game?

I think you're scum
Adum is probably town
As for Kata, Adum brings up some good points, and he could be scum, but not together with you. I'm pretty sure one of you is scum though.

Ok, good to note.

 

[Beat!]

I removed myself and Adum because we're not scummy.

So we are left with Kati and you. Kati was inactive for the most part of D1, so I have more reason to think you would be the separated scum buddy.

Are you my former scummate from FE scum this game?

You, Adum, Kata and myself are not the only players in this game. I was mostly talking about your reasonings for removing the other players from suspicion, since the only thing you were looking for was "distancing".

Are you my former scummate from FE scum this game?

No.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe
Are you gonna explain that vote anytime soon?

It's because you're scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You, Adum, Kata and myself are not the only players in this game. I was mostly talking about your reasonings for removing the other players from suspicion, since the only thing you were looking for was "distancing".

I'm removing them because of the statement JTB, that we're looking for individuals not pairs. That in addition to his previous statements staying disconnected leads me to believe he is distancing himself hard from his scum mates by ignoring them.

No.

Really? You seem to be rather uncommitted and sidelined like that game. Plus avoidance from JTB.

 

[Kataefi]

urgh crazy things happen on a full moon

Kat, can you give us like a mini summary of your thoughts on how this game has progressed so far? It certainly hasn't been a normal game by any means lol.

Mini summary? D1 was a pressure cooker environment that you created and contributed to and I've explained I liked the realtime approach and what I believe your intentions were here. I'm comfortable having you around toDay. It's also why word choices are important to me when rereading this Day. I suspected Joey/Ryu/Swiss D1. Swissssdead and I was supportive of this, Ryu's scumminess has reached toDay and Joey is being tricky upon rereads =/ it's the manner in which he replaced out where he said "I'm done with the game" - would he kick up such a kerfuffle and abandon the team as scum? I'm uncertain here... I've liked Nabe's detective-like and terse play toDay so I'm uncertain about this player slot atm... curiously, what do you think?

Regarding the Night: I can only speculate what happened - it could involve a doc protect and/or a killer role. There are possibilities of manipulator roles but more Nights need to pass to get a bigger picture of what is happening.

As far as toDay goes, I think ryu's the scummiest player in the game and I'd like his lynch. Second lynch I'd support is Chaco.

Dark's gambit on Ran showed initiative I remember liking and Ran's quicktime reactions weren't throwing in the towel, so I'm leaning TvT exchange here for now; comfortable with both. There's also something else Ran said but I'm not going to explain this now, which makes me think Town.

Deus vs me - I've explained what I think of deus. also I didn't see myself evading him deliberately, I was confused when he asked me to "prove assertions" so I responded with examples and this wasn't good enough for him. But when he asked me to explain I did. I think he argues in a very 'debate hall' style and it was me misunderstanding and later understanding exactly what he was after rather than deliberate evasion.

Nix/Seph/Nabe/Beat are the 4 players I'm most uncertain about currently in this game.
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Hai Ryu

Kati, you didn't even once refute my points just asserting more theorycraft again. The only control I have on Chibo for not letting him into Lylo is my ability to vote him, that is it. Stop assuming crap.

What points? Can you clarify something super-quasi-quick: you insisted twice now you wouldn't let him into lylo. Next you state his play "takes the cake" and you are leaning scum. Now you state you'd be happier that when you die, Chibo should die too. Such statements show a sense of confidence that you feel Chibo is a lead to scum, wouldn't you agree?, otherwise for what other reasons would you want him dead?, so I ask where has your pressure on him been toDay? It looks like your ability to vote him was only used at the beginning of D2 and you've been lukewarm interacting directly at him for any sort of information ever since - just threatening statements with hardly any substance and vote to back it up after your unvoting earlier in the Day. And then you say stuff like this...

I feel like this ones takes the cake and I am leaning towards scum however I am looking in another direction because, there is more than one mafia, I doubt a two man team, so looking for other scum is still something that must be done.

..which is what I was really questioning you on, not asking for your setup speculation. -> "I doubt a 2 man team, so looking for other scum is still something that must be done" reads to me as though you think chibo is scum with JTB...... yet you want to go on a different direction instead. Hence it reads like you don't really want to pursue chibo at all which could explain your need of a different direction, and so my general impression is that you're lukewarm with suspects and it's making me question whether you genuinely see them as scum in need of urgent death or if you're just *****footing around the Town looking for targets as scum yourself.

I believed WL more than Swiss because he immediately changed his play-style to play normally, Swiss trolled us or played cryptically for reasons I have no clue. If Adum says he plays to his win con even when trolling I have a hard time seeing how he did it in this game, where as WL seemed to do that better outside of the self vote which hammered him.

kk this is fair enough - do you feel this explains your gut feeling being "confirmed" by washedlaundry before his mislynch actually happened?

I'm answering Kati's questions, he doubts that this isn't a two man scum team for some reason.

quote me quote me quote me

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Adum - I don't agree with your Chibo point. Aggressive play on Day 1 sure....where's that play now? You don't find that a little odd at all?

My vote seeems left out =( So sad...Let's see how this one vote pressure works

Vote: Chibo

I think he was cowed by swiss flipping town and JTB flipping scum, he's being a bit more cautious in a pro-town way imo.

Vote: Beatstick

Adumb, I'd like to know what you think of my alignment based off of me. Your analysis is on Joey at the moment, which is cool, but what you've listed isn't infallible as a town tell, so there's room for analysis of me.

Ok, sorry about it taking so long to get to this, attempting to read people is a ***** atm.


Anyway...


I like this post, seems like you're legit scumhunting, your catch-up post was pretty pro-town, also I do doubt that you would claim a zombie as scum (considering there are a relatively small number of human roles), still could be a gambit though.

However in your your 1095 you toss a list of players you think are scummy which includes players generally thought of as town, however the list gives no explanation as to why, and furthermore you end up sticking with the easy beatstick wagon (where you never explained your vote, care to explain why you think beatstick is scum?). And then there's Kat, why's Kat there, you were clearly supporting him against me, why's he on your list at all, he didn't seem to make any other slips. Smells like trying to appear as aggressive town without actually getting put in the spotlight.


I overall, your play is overall leaning scum, but the slot overall counterbalances it due to JTB's shameless buddying. Definately on my "looks indy" list.





And some work on the people who I was planning to work on before.


Beatstick:

Def. supporting RR lynch if Swiss is town.

Man, are you guys sure that Ran is confirmed town? I have no idea wtf he's doing this game .__.

If Swiss is scum then we've basically won lol

Hmmmm

No one is suggesting a quick lynch. Read properly, lol.

RR scum if Swiss scum. Thoughts?

I really don't like this. He's making a scum prediction dependent on a flip, but says it both ways, and without explaining why he reversed his prediction.

So I get it

Joey gets it

Adum is right

But Chibo DOESN'T get it

Just pointing it out

Why so passive aggressive? It's like you wanna make a case on chibo, but don't wanna get your hands dirty.

I really feel scum trying to avoid the spotlight here.



Nix:

Very little content, but at the same time seems mindlessly aggressive (ex. pushing against chibo while he was being town leader because of his suspicion on town leaders), odd that his latest post misses chibo but overall definately tossing him in the noobtown pile.

<_< I totally missed the word fake, just saw breadcrumb -_- my bad for mis-reading that post >_> Guess I have to re-think my views on chibo now too.

Hammer now please -_-

I especially like this post, willing to change POV definitely is a towntell.



Seph:

D1 he said absolutely nothing of substance (minus one good question to chaco), yet he had a ridiculous amount of posts that made absolutely no impression. ToDay he started posting substance after being pressured, but continued afterwards. Still no clue what his alignment is atm.


Chaco:

Static, nothing he's said since my last overview really changed my read, beyond that he keeps promising content and doesn't really ever deliver.

apologies for lack of posts etc etc etc etc! It's nearly the weekend so more time to concentrate. Not many posts... =/

@deusy: kk I thought you believed I believed it was legitimate from the way I was presenting information... and then went on to talk about one exception. So I kinda just assumed you had partial belief and wanted me to fill the gaps and is why I was deliberate when focusing on that part of the phrase --> basically I felt a contradiction (when you said townies make cases they believe in) because I thought at the time of this post you already had been on the road to thinking I believed my case on Ryu was a genuine one, just that one particular hole was missing regarding me now proving it. I interpreted this a bit too finicky and I get what you're saying.

All it takes is one contradiction to render an argument null.

Essentially, prior to your clarification, it was missing the cornerstone and even if I gave you everything else, your case made no sense. Hence why I called you on not believing it. Would you accept a claim that centered around a tracker claiming he tracked a cop to every investigative target if the "cop" had flipped mafia goon? Would you say "it's only one thing wrong"? No, you'd lynch the mofo.


Your answer is believable, but came only after several iterations. When I brought up examples from other games, rather then saying a meaningless buzzword "possessive use of lylo", if you had explained why it implied he'd survive till endgame then I'd be more inclined to believe it was your original intent as opposed to an excuse you thought up later.

"Concentrating all your efforts to kill me" (or resources???) made me slightly nervous because I had this buzz inclincation of oh em gee a lyncher what do I do what I do!!, but I'd attribute this moreso to dramatics and slight bias because I was the one under fire alternatively I thought this was a platform for a Kat tunnel and I had this notion in my mind that you wouldn't look into anyone else, but you have... That statement would have made me a bit more wary had you opted to continue on the "all my resources are on you" approach because that wouldn't be the all-eyes-on-all Deus I feel Ive read in other games.

I don't think so.

When I reread our exchange your tone seems much more educational then probing. And your questions aren't pointed at all, they're very general asking for basic stances and when I give stances you don't really expand and them and question me on them. You seem to make a token effort to get me talking on your terms. You don't read like you're alternatively trying to convince me of your point and ascertain my alignment. You read like you know I'm town, and wanna convince me to support your stance.

So why would you not just put "town"? Who possibly has an objective to misrepresent their belief as to the faction that somebody is part of? Scum, cause semi-confirming somebody makes being on their lynchwagon a lot harder.

o also deus what games have we been in together/you observed where I was town?

I'm sure I have observed at least a few games, but tbh I don't remember really anything about them, I'll add reading one to my agenda. Only one I can remember off the top of my head (and non-chuckie) was you as an indie in DBZ tbh.


Yeah, sorry baby, very uncomfortable with you right now.



So, overall Kata's my preferred lynch, down with Beatstick, Chaco, or DH though.

 

[Nix2100]

I'll admit I haven't thought much on the possibility that chibo may feel bad about messing up yesterday, hard to say since he isn't commenting on it...or doing much of ANYTHING other then responding. Feels more like scum trying to lay low after losing their RB.

Also a little confused by what you mean when you said i missed Chibo in my latest post, explain that please?

Running a little low on time here, less then 3 days till deadline.

Tempted to switch my vote to Chaco, I don't know if anyone else remembers him from other games and how he was with his constant one sentence posts and posting from his phone where he supposedly can't re-read....If it's something he does in all his games I'll probably let it slide for another day or two but at the moment it doesn't seem to be helping us much.

On a side note...Where's Seph? It's been three days since his last posting...

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'll admit I haven't thought much on the possibility that chibo may feel bad about messing up yesterday, hard to say since he isn't commenting on it...or doing much of ANYTHING other then responding. Feels more like scum trying to lay low after losing their RB.

I don't see chibo-scum as laying low when he was playing aggressive. When he's into a game he's into a game.

Also a little confused by what you mean when you said i missed Chibo in my latest post, explain that please?

*checks back*

*facepalm*


Ignore that, I somehow must've missed Chibo's name there, my mistake.

Running a little low on time here, less then 3 days till deadline.

Tempted to switch my vote to Chaco, I don't know if anyone else remembers him from other games and how he was with his constant one sentence posts and posting from his phone where he supposedly can't re-read....If it's something he does in all his games I'll probably let it slide for another day or two but at the moment it doesn't seem to be helping us much.

On a side note...Where's Seph? It's been three days since his last posting...

How about kata instead?

 

[July]

Chapter 2-5, continues


1. Nabe [1] vVv ChiboSempai
2. Kataefi [1] adumbrodeus
3. Sephiroths Masamune [0]
4. Dark Horse [1] Ranmaru
5. adumbrodeus [0]
6. Ranmaru [1] Dark Horse
7. vVv ChiboSempai [1] Nix2100
8. Red Ryu [2] BeatStick, Kataefi
9. BeatStick [2] Red Ryu, Nabe
10. Nix2100 [0]
11. Chaco [1] Sephiroths Masamune

Not Voting: Chaco

With 11 alive it takes 6 to shoot...

Deadline is set for 4/19/11 at 12:00midnight.​

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

However in your your 1095 you toss a list of players you think are scummy which includes players generally thought of as town, however the list gives no explanation as to why, and furthermore you end up sticking with the easy beatstick wagon (where you never explained your vote, care to explain why you think beatstick is scum?). And then there's Kat, why's Kat there, you were clearly supporting him against me, why's he on your list at all, he didn't seem to make any other slips. Smells like trying to appear as aggressive town without actually getting put in the spotlight.

Not sure where to begin.

That list was of every player in the game besides myself. Not sure how that wasn't obvious. I would hope that you have some kind of scope of this game well into D2.

That said, I would support any of those lynches, it's not an untrue statement. Some more than others, to be sure, but I don't think we could go wrong for a lynch toDay, and I think every player has good reason to go. I'm very much having one of those "wish I were a vig" games.


Beat's posts are scummy to the point where it's apparent. In a more provable sense, I don't like his play coinciding with JTB's in D1. But seriously, it's self-evident.


Kat's points about RR have some validity, and I agree in a bit-less-picky way that RR looks scummy, not just for the reasons Kat addresses. I think, however, that Kat's point has shifted a bit since you started picking at it, and I think that not-quite-consistency in his point is a bad thing.


You're scummy and again, I wish I were a vig, because I don't see myself ever proving it. It's your manner and your choice of words, and the way you apply social pressures such as "you're on my looks indy list".

When I asked you for an evaluation based on me and not Joey, it was because I expected a later-game shift in your attitude towards my slot, one that would be advantageous to you as scum, and it would be a shift that wouldn't seem amiss because of the discrepancy between Joey's play and my own, i.e. you thinking Joey was town originally. I wanted to get that out of the way now, and I'm not surprised to see that in seemingly evaluating my slot in full, there's been a change in attitude.

I also disagree with you when you say that Kat has been unclear about his point, and that he hadn't explained his point when asked. I think he was very clear in his explanation.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Not sure where to begin.

That list was of every player in the game besides myself. Not sure how that wasn't obvious. I would hope that you have some kind of scope of this game well into D2.

That said, I would support any of those lynches, it's not an untrue statement. Some more than others, to be sure, but I don't think we could go wrong for a lynch toDay, and I think every player has good reason to go. I'm very much having one of those "wish I were a vig" games.

Then why don't you rather then just giving the illusion of contributing, try making some cases and rock the boat?

A townie that thinks everyone's scum is useless, in games like that there are usually stupid things that people do that clear them.

Beat's posts are scummy to the point where it's apparent. In a more provable sense, I don't like his play coinciding with JTB's in D1. But seriously, it's self-evident.

Then why aren't you pushing him or developing a case? Keep in mind that it's just as important that we read you as we read him, nobody's served by a vote without an explanation.


Though fair enough about not noticing.

Kat's points about RR have some validity, and I agree in a bit-less-picky way that RR looks scummy, not just for the reasons Kat addresses. I think, however, that Kat's point has shifted a bit since you started picking at it, and I think that not-quite-consistency in his point is a bad thing.

Fair enough.

I also disagree with you when you say that Kat has been unclear about his point, and that he hadn't explained his point when asked. I think he was very clear in his explanation.

It's a matter of timing, I objected here:

"Possessive use of lylo" is not a substantiative difference, because unlike what you said it doesn't imply anything about surviving till lylo. While it does imply an attempt to engineer who makes it to lylo (the over protectedness you suggested) so do all statements about who should and shouldn't survive till lylo, and that's not a bad thing, part of town's objective is to engineer a strong team in lylo.

What was Kat's response?

"Possessive use of lylo" is a substantiative difference because it has connotations about expecting to survive till lylo.

It was essentially a "nu-uh", the issue I had was made clear hear, yet it went on for quite a while before he finally explained it (when I started pushing it as part of my case against him in fact).

He could've explained promptly when the issue became clear, instead he chose to focus on other parts of my posts and ignore the central issue. So no, I don't like it at all.



So that's my thoughts lovely, stay beautiful.

 

[Nix2100]

Unvote
Vote: Chaco

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I have exams and we aren't near a consensus.

Request: Deadline Extension

I think we need it.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm kool with Beat dying.

Unvote Vote: roBeatnick

 

[Nix2100]

Request: Deadline Extension

Deadline extension sounds good.....while I remember

Request Prod of Seph

 

[Beat!]

"roBeatnick"?

Why are you cool with me dying, Ran? I don't recall you going after me at all.

Request deadline extension

 

[ranmaru]

Because I don't think you are town. I agree with RR here.

We gotta come to a consensus.

Unless you got a better plan?

 

[ranmaru]

Request Deadline extension

 

[Beat!]

Because I don't think you are town. I agree with RR here.

I understood that much. I wanted you to bring up something yourself.

We gotta come to a consensus.

Unless you got a better plan?

We're not in a hurry if we get a deadline extension. Otherwise, yes, just lynch me, because I won't be able to push a Red Ruy lynch in a day and a half.

 

[ranmaru]

Nah, I trust my town read.

Who else would you lynch besides RR? (and why)

 

[Beat!]

Nix for laying low and not taking firm stances.
You for being completely unhelpful the entire game, combined with the self-preservation claim toDay.
Kata if RR is town for reasons explained

And Nabe for being annoying >:-/

And I still want you to provide reasons for wanting me dead.

 

[ranmaru]

Already did bro. You are scummy to me.

 

[Nix2100]

Your accusing me of laying low? Seriously? Look at Chaco, Seph and Chibo...I've at least tried to make cases and attempted to explain my case on Chibo...

And yea....no stances >_> Ignore my voting of Chibo for pressure and me believing he is scum, that's not a stance at all...

 

[Beat!]

It's not really up for discussion, but okay.

 

[Nix2100]

How is that not up for discussion? This entire game is about discussions >_> Not doing so is kind of counter-productive don't you think?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Request Deadline Extension

I'd actually like to lynch Ran toDay. If he is town princess, then he'll be shot toNight. But if we lynch him toDay, and he's town princess, our PRs will have a smaller pool to work with for the following Night phases, and we won't have a town princess in lategame and no time to get rid of her. And if he's scum, which is still a super-sexy possibility, then he's dead and it's all good.

Flavourwise, I don't think his character claim is a member of the scum team. But it could be a safeclaim. In the game, she's often captured by the bad dudes, and it occurs to me that she could simply be missing in action for this game.

I'm also bothered by the implications of the role itself; town princess holds up the Day phase for a funeral / mourning of the loss. This doesn't sound like an action our town would take in the flavour, regardless of the zombie/human ratio.

Vote: Ran

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I will also accept lynches of Chaco or Beat.
Or Ryu. Or Chibo. Or anyone else really, but Ran lynch is best.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Request Deadline Extension

 

[Beat!]

I'm fine with that.

unvote
Vote: Ran

 

[Nix2100]

I'd think I would much rather lynch Beat now, refusing to have a conversation? That helps town how exactly?

Unvote
Vote: Beat

@Seph - Oh, nice of you to join us, mind giving us your thoughts? You've been gone quite awhile

@Nabe - Tonight might be a good idea to see if we have a Vig, let them kill Ranmaru tonight and that way we don't have to worry about losing a day phase. If Ranmaru lives then that means JTB died from something else.

 

[Beat!]

y u so scum Nix

 

[Nix2100]

Y u no want conversation? I try to understand why you think I'm laying low and you say no its not up for conversation. Share your thoughts with the rest of us why don't you?

Also on the subject of Ran, keep in mind IF they are the princess, and we are dealing with a SK and not a Vig, thats likely 4 townies gone unless we get lucky again with the mafia dying again overnight

 

[adumbrodeus]

Request Deadline Extension

I'd actually like to lynch Ran toDay. If he is town princess, then he'll be shot toNight. But if we lynch him toDay, and he's town princess, our PRs will have a smaller pool to work with for the following Night phases, and we won't have a town princess in lategame and no time to get rid of her. And if he's scum, which is still a super-sexy possibility, then he's dead and it's all good.

Why are you assuming she'll be shot tonight? Protective roles are quite common.

Also, if he does get shot, doesn't us not lynching him mean we get an extra lynch?


Mechanic-wise it makes sense unless we have a really strong scumtell, and so far it's just ran playing ran.


Morover, Ran's play is bad, like usual but not really scummy, and the whole situation with his claim was a very townie reaction (trying to get as much information out there to help if he died). Ran is town.

Flavourwise, I don't think his character claim is a member of the scum team. But it could be a safeclaim. In the game, she's often captured by the bad dudes, and it occurs to me that she could simply be missing in action for this game.

Most characters don't occur constantly in the game, the most consistent characters by far are her and leon.

I'm also bothered by the implications of the role itself; town princess holds up the Day phase for a funeral / mourning of the loss. This doesn't sound like an action our town would take in the flavour, regardless of the zombie/human ratio.

Vote: Ran

Uh... if she dies you lose the game, how does that not fit the implications of her role, it's just a less extreme version.


Flavorwise it fits perfectly, and the only less believable safeclaim is leon.


I'm sorry beautiful, but what are you smoking?

@Nabe - Tonight might be a good idea to see if we have a Vig, let them kill Ranmaru tonight and that way we don't have to worry about losing a day phase. If Ranmaru lives then that means JTB died from something else.

Any kill of the beloved princess means we lose the day phase lovely.

 

[Nix2100]

Double checked the mafia wiki >_> Your right, for some reason I had it in my head it was only if she was day killed....Ran is probably dead either way then, I can't see mafia keeping Ran alive if it means a extra night kill for them.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why are you assuming she'll be shot tonight? Protective roles are quite common.

Fair point. I'd rather that a potential protective role doesn't waste time keeping a princess alive, though. This is more about facilitating this death now rather than later. You might say that I don't want him in my lylo. Specifically, think over the math and you'll see this is the right course of action.

Also, if he does get shot, doesn't us not lynching him mean we get an extra lynch?

In a manner of speaking, sure. We can lynch someone else if we don't use our lynch on Ran. But this is in fact less than ideal. Scum can save Ran's death for later when it'll help with a quick win, when it counts.

@Kat: Note the phrasing "extra lynch", which implies that Adum thinks Ran will flip town and thus be a wasted lynch.

Mechanic-wise it makes sense unless we have a really strong scumtell, and so far it's just ran playing ran.

Morover, Ran's play is bad, like usual but not really scummy, and the whole situation with his claim was a very townie reaction (trying to get as much information out there to help if he died). Ran is town.

This is largely a poor meta defense. I do agree that his reaction seemed town. But the reasoning for his lynch imo factors in that he may or may not be town.

Most characters don't occur constantly in the game, the most consistent characters by far are her and leon.

I assume that's true, I haven't played it. But it also has no bearing on the possibility of what I've suggested. And you can't deny that the flavour turnaround of scum claiming a big town name is a good one. It seems like I cite FFVI every game -- Terra as scum is a good example. Strong town character claims being scum or scum fakeclaims is a boon.

Uh... if she dies you lose the game, how does that not fit the implications of her role, it's just a less extreme version.

Like I've said. The role of princess implies a mourning period taken by the Town. It's an interesting idea to be sure, but it's not quite there.

To anyone who's played the game: does Leon ever use the phrase "princess" to describe her?

 

[Nix2100]

Now sure what that has to do with anything but no <_< He always calls her by her name Ashely.