Resident Evil 4 Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins!!!

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ran, any explanation for the following points from my 951?

Ran never explained the reason for his vote in 792, despite being asked in 793 and posting after that point. His 833 seems to resign himself to a WL lynch, but no vote comes at that point. He seems to think that WL's flip will be tied in to Joey's reasoning for not wanting a WL lynch, which is odd in that he doesn't have reason to think that. 901 is absolutely bizarre.

 

[ranmaru]

Hey Nabe, I think you missed #797. Joey was my second scumpick, of course I was ok with Joey. I'm still ok with your slot going.

I would have voted but I didn't know what the votes were, and WL hamemered himself.

What is bizzare about my 901?

 

[Kataefi]

@Nabe what did you think of Joey and his thoughts? Could you go in depth?

I'd like to hone in on Ryu:

I'm not letting you near lylo, not if your gonna do this to town.

^Yes I know I've used this picture twice now in the dgames metagame but I think it's super cool and quasi-relevant

"I'm not letting you in lylo" is a phrase I dislike for a multitude of reasons and this is triggering alarm bells. I sense Ryu's expectation that he'll be alive by this point and is almost planning it - i.e. someone interested in reaching this point and not on their toes regarding the mafia NKills which could, should he be Town, end him. THE HORROR. Of course that 'on-your-toes' vibe is missing here - Ryu's protectiveness over lylo tells me he plans to reach it, and for what purpose? As scum? I think so. This phrase sticks to me like glue.

Additionally, what I touched on previously D1 - Ryu's question of "how will this affect other players" amidst Chibo's tirade --> why was there concern here? why was there a concern for other players as opposed to an interest in how these players would react and thus generate information? I feel like this is significant because, [and I love repetition!], Ryu to me had a deer-in-the-headlights moment from what I feel was from a scum perspective, and I supported Chibo's realtime approach because this is when you get the most authentic of reactions and not the ones where scum have time to manufacture

Kill it kill it kill it with acid and fire. But I'm not that harsh I'd like my points addressed.

vote: Red Ryu

It's confusing that he supported a Swiss lynch despite not liking the clearing strategy. 935 is a strange reinsertion that I'm not a fan of.

What's confusing about this? Swiss' cryptic persona and his ability to dodge questions a hundred million billion trillion times took me back to Chuckie vs Swiss Volumes 1 to 9, hence my support. Nostalgia is PAIN Saying this, I was confused why he didn't undergo his usual transformation. Also, major sidenote: I reread my big post D1 and it read "my picks are swissy/joey/swissy"... Ryu should replace the second swissy.

Also, quickly, could you elaborate on Chaco?
_

@Deus: current opinions on ryu/the remains of joey/chaco? thankyou plz

 

[Kataefi]

I'm cutting down on smilies.

 

[Kataefi]

Joey was my second scumpick, of course I was ok with Joey. I'm still ok with your slot going.

For what reasons?

 

[ranmaru]

Joey was for Chibo's plan strongly, and for cutting discussion early.

Then he had a change of heart, and decided that WL was a very wrong direction.

I just didn't know why Joey agreed with Chibo, and that could mean he would be in cahoots with him. Or at least buddying him.

 

[ranmaru]

oops ;-; sorry

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Massive facepalm for ran's reasoning for voting chibo.

To put it simply, would you vote chibo even if swiss was scum?

what's more, why do you blame chibo for everything swiss did, even though he "puposley answered the quesiton wrong", and therefore the burden would be on swiss for his lynch?

Why do you think chibo would have claimed his color, when he said that me and adumb are clear for say seagreen?

RR can die. Ran can die too.

FoS: Ran

 

[July]

Chapter 2-2, continues

1. Nabe [0]
2. Kataefi [0]
3. Sephiroths Masamune [0]
4. Dark Horse [0]
5. adumbrodeus [0]
6. Ranmaru [0]
7. vVv ChiboSempai [2] Red Ryu, Ranmaru
8. Red Ryu [4] BeatStick, Nabe, Dark Horse, Kataefi
9. BeatStick [0]
10. Nix2100 [0]
11. Chaco [0]

Not Voting: Sephiroths Masamune, adumbrodeus, vVv ChiboSempai, Nix2100, Chaco

With 11 alive it takes 6 to shoot...

Deadline is set for 4/19/11 at 12:00midnight.​

 

[ranmaru]

I wasn't for the plan. WL flipped town. Chibo can die, (I voted him) and you are an idiot. You are only suspecting people who are against Chibo. Stop defending him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kati saying I don't want him near lylo does not equal me living. What it means is, who do I trust in lylo compared to the rest of town.

I don't want people who are unwhiling to use what they can from a day to get reads.

On phone so more in a sec.

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo asked the question first, yet he never gave the colour himself. Also Nabe can die, and Seph too.

FoS Chaco because I felt he was ignoring me and selectively discussing.

Remember when I explained it works like that because I asked the question and confirmed whether or not the asked person (Swiss) was telling the truth or not? You jumped in to answer it Ran before I could <_<
The best I could do was explain Adum's hidden post thing

and I supported Chibo's realtime approach because this is when you get the most authentic of reactions and not the ones where scum have time to manufacture

I strongly agree with this

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Seph's 747 stands out to me as a particularly scummy post, and I'd like him to elaborate on his leads based on the WL flip. And then he needs to demonstrate that he is following those leads toDay. 750 also was ugly and Seph shows no signs of attempting to reevaluate. 772 takes one small piece of WL's 762 and calls fault on it but ignores the rest of the post entirely. More to the point, none of that post was addressed to him, but to Chibo. Seph had no reason to take the tone that he did.

FOS: Seph

How is 747 scummy? I practically told WL that his flip tells us if the color crap was important or not. If he flipped scum, I would likely be following Chibo's list and looking for those who didn't show signs of knowing the color. No, I'm going to post a list of all my leads and purposely not go after them. What do you mean by "shows no signs of attempting to reevaluate." And how is the post ugly? In my point of view, Joey decided to unvote WL not because he didn't think he was scummy. But because he "felt bad for the mod." IMO, that's not what you should do when you previously had a scum lead. Very unsportsmanlike like. I called fault to it because there it was obvious. I also took the tone I did because at this point in the game I was getting annoyed with certain players. I know I shouldn't have called him a ******, but how is my tone considered scummy? I ignored the rest of the post entirely because it wasn't directed at me.

Since you asked for them, here are my leads.

Scum
Chaco
Nix

Hard town reads
Chibo: His actions have been protown all game. Although he did screw up with the color thing. He did with town intent.
Adum: More of a gut feeling than anything else. I get a town vibe when I see his posts. Although his breadcrumb early game is considered null at this point.
Ran: Although his posts are less than helpful. His meta points towards town. He is being aggressive which points towards his town play in games compared to his defensive play as when he's maf.

Also Nabe can die, and Seph too.

Can you explain why I'm your scum pick?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Forgot to mention everyone not listed is in the slightly town, scum, or completely null.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Now to elaborate on why I find those two scummy.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Vote:WashedLaundry

I'm over this day. Joey, dont act innocent, you were as stubborn as Chibo. Lynch the playerslot, and start fresh tomorrow without this bull**** or else I will rage.

God I detest this game at the moment.

I was going two ways on this post either that he was busing a scum buddy or doing an opportunistic vote on a townie. I was leaning towards the former. I asked the question "Why switch?." Just to get reads on which was the right one.

Because this game will not progress with town scattered as it is. Chibo will continue ranting. Joey will continue to flip flop like a fish out of water, and suite frankly the playerslot now is filled by someone I wouldn't value as much as Swiss to town. Not trying to be mean, but getting town back on track>gving an expendable option a golden opportunity.

I was against a Swiss lynch because I thought he was crumbing a different PR, but I got the real deal now. Swiss was just trying to be antagonistic, but now that all this ****'s happened and he's out of the game...I'd say just remove the playerslot.

I thought this was very weak reasoning and decided it was "opprotunistic vote". But still holding on to the chance that he might be bussing (And legitamatly wanting to know WL's flip, Because I did think he was scum) I voted WL to see what would happen.

I'm confident that Chaco is the play today.

Vote Chaco

Doing Nix reread right now.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Got bored, I'll do it tomorrow.

 

[Kataefi]

@HadoukenRyu: why was lylo on your mind in this manner at such an early stage in the game? I'm normally fine with speculating who could possibly end up being in lylo should conversation degrade to that but when I read comments that emanate this whole protectiveness over it I get vibes that the players behind such comments intend to reach it and I want to look at their purpose!

I don't want people who are unwhiling to use what they can from a day to get reads.

Could you elaborate on how this connects to your scum choices plz? Also, could you go into detail as to why you showed concern for other players during Chibo's aggressiveness on Swiss? Don't be dodging That's a long phone conversation

@Ranny-manny: Considering Nabe was in the thread posting, and you were present as well, didn't you think that would be a good opportunity to interrogate him?, or maybe ask at least one question? You just looked reactive throughout his presence and I suppose I was expecting a little more scumhunting effort on your part considering he's your second scum pick! What do you think about Nabe's entrance post to the game? Do you agree/disagree with anything?

@Sephiroth-plz-don't-stab-me-with-a-giant-sword: regarding Chaco, I'm not keen on people moaning at the Town and getting pissed off with the game. What's the point? I reread Chaco and I want to go more in depth later as I've got a driving lesson now, but it looks like this whole chip-on-shoulder play is something that warrants looking into. What do you think of my analysis on Ryu?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I wasn't for the plan. WL flipped town.

ANSWER MY QUESTION. THEN RESPOND.

would you vote chibo even if swiss was scum?

You are only suspecting people who are against Chibo. Stop defending him.

Now you are trying to dismiss this whole thing as a chainsaw?

I would post a full ****** pic, except J would probably kill me for it.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Srry folks, had a bit of a relapse, feeling somewhat better now. Anyway...

^Yes I know I've used this picture twice now in the dgames metagame but I think it's super cool and quasi-relevant

"I'm not letting you in lylo" is a phrase I dislike for a multitude of reasons and this is triggering alarm bells. I sense Ryu's expectation that he'll be alive by this point and is almost planning it - i.e. someone interested in reaching this point and not on their toes regarding the mafia NKills which could, should he be Town, end him. THE HORROR. Of course that 'on-your-toes' vibe is missing here - Ryu's protectiveness over lylo tells me he plans to reach it, and for what purpose? As scum? I think so. This phrase sticks to me like glue.

So wait, he uses a common phrase in the metagame which implies that he doesn't trust the player in question, but he's not necessarily sure whether it's alignment or intellect, and you decide that it's scummy based on implications that you frankly conjured out of the aether. Furthermore it's something that strong players have been saying for ages regardless of alignment, which would cause the newer players (such as Red Ryu here) to pick it up and use it in the same fashion.

So why are you using it on a case on Red Ryu kata?

I'm sorry my dear, *kiss* I really don't like you right now, please die.


vote: kata

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Adumb, do you have any game examples?

 

[Kataefi]

Furthermore it's something that strong players have been saying for ages regardless of alignment, which would cause the newer players (such as Red Ryu here) to pick it up and use it in the same fashion.

^explain this in much more detail.

Actually, and totally out of curiosity, why did you cut out the rest of that post pertaining to why I felt Ryu was scummy? And why didn't you answer my questions directed at you considering you're focus in that post was me, and you addressed me?...

I don't think such a particular phrase is common from the games I've read here - link me link me! I agree lylo discussion is common and is used by all players not strong players but I've never seen it worded in this way before... "I won't let you live in lylo" - "I won't", doesn't that word choice come across as possessive to you? It does to me, and for what Town purpose? Ryu needs to expound on this and explain his thought processes in more detail but he was on the phone... ...

Why aren't you on Ryu?

 

[Kataefi]

Why aren't you on Ryu?

And of course by this I mean why aren't you on Ryu?

 

[Kataefi]

And of course by this I mean why aren't you on Ryu?

OMG, can I word this is any worse? I mean why isn't your vote on Ryu not why why isn't Ryu online >.<

 

[ranmaru]

Remember when I explained it works like that because I asked the question and confirmed whether or not the asked person (Swiss) was telling the truth or not? You jumped in to answer it Ran before I could <_<
The best I could do was explain Adum's hidden post thing



I strongly agree with this

All you care about is clearing yourself. >_>

Who do you suspect now, Chibo? Why?

How do you feel about DH?

How is 747 scummy? I practically told WL that his flip tells us if the color crap was important or not. If he flipped scum, I would likely be following Chibo's list and looking for those who didn't show signs of knowing the color. No, I'm going to post a list of all my leads and purposely not go after them. What do you mean by "shows no signs of attempting to reevaluate." And how is the post ugly? In my point of view, Joey decided to unvote WL not because he didn't think he was scummy. But because he "felt bad for the mod." IMO, that's not what you should do when you previously had a scum lead. Very unsportsmanlike like. I called fault to it because there it was obvious. I also took the tone I did because at this point in the game I was getting annoyed with certain players. I know I shouldn't have called him a ******, but how is my tone considered scummy? I ignored the rest of the post entirely because it wasn't directed at me.

Since you asked for them, here are my leads.

Scum
Chaco
Nix

Hard town reads
Chibo: His actions have been protown all game. Although he did screw up with the color thing. He did with town intent.
Adum: More of a gut feeling than anything else. I get a town vibe when I see his posts. Although his breadcrumb early game is considered null at this point.
Ran: Although his posts are less than helpful. His meta points towards town. He is being aggressive which points towards his town play in games compared to his defensive play as when he's maf.



Can you explain why I'm your scum pick?

Yeah. You wanted to cut off discussion, and were for the plan with Chibo. (The quick lynch) Not a strong tell, but I coupled you in with Chibo and Joey. There were others who followed his plan (like JTB who flipped scum) so I may need to re-evaluate.

@Ranny-manny: Considering Nabe was in the thread posting, and you were present as well, didn't you think that would be a good opportunity to interrogate him?, or maybe ask at least one question? You just looked reactive throughout his presence and I suppose I was expecting a little more scumhunting effort on your part considering he's your second scum pick! What do you think about Nabe's entrance post to the game? Do you agree/disagree with anything?

I had none at the time, and I skimmed his first post ToDay. I didn't really have anything to ask him since he replaced in for Joey. I have the time, I will use it to scumhunt. Do not worry, I do ask questions.

Now that I look at it, there is one thing I do disagree with.

Swiss' picks, while presumably gut, were very good and jive with what I thought in reading the Day. Ran was scummy, Red Ryu was scummy, DH was scummy. All of these people tried to break Chibo's advance, but did so without expressing a pro-town reason. These three players appear to have wanted to halt the process that would "clear" 7 people, but without the proper reasoning, there's no pro-town motivation here. It seems that they just didn't want there to be town clears.

He says that it is scummy for not wanting clears. I feel that doesn't help with scumhunting, and it could put those clears in danger. Yet JTB was one of them, so it seems the plan failed, even further with WL's flip of town.

I don't like how he said "Adum still town" as if he came in before.

I also feel that he "missed" Seph's #797 on purpose to make it seem like I was dodging a question, which I never have. That's all for now.

Btw, what do you think of Chaco?

ANSWER MY QUESTION. THEN RESPOND.





Now you are trying to dismiss this whole thing as a chainsaw?

Don't need to, it's a stupid question. It doesn't matter because I wasn't for his plan. I'm not going into what if's, that just will distract us.

Yes, you are defending him. Don't act like you are not.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh yeah:

@Seph: Can you explain your strong town read on me? I have only been scum once, and that was with you in our Newbie. <3 I have play many games after that. Do you think it is right for you to compare all my other games to that one scum game? I was a bit defensive naturally because there were some parts of the game I didn't understand, like Vandie voting me in RVS lol.

Seriously, don't rely solely on meta.

 

[ranmaru]

^explain this in much more detail.

Actually, and totally out of curiosity, why did you cut out the rest of that post pertaining to why I felt Ryu was scummy? And why didn't you answer my questions directed at you considering you're focus in that post was me, and you addressed me?...

I don't think such a particular phrase is common from the games I've read here - link me link me! I agree lylo discussion is common and is used by all players not strong players but I've never seen it worded in this way before... "I won't let you live in lylo" - "I won't", doesn't that word choice come across as possessive to you? It does to me, and for what Town purpose? Ryu needs to expound on this and explain his thought processes in more detail but he was on the phone... ...

Why aren't you on Ryu?

I think it's pretty weak for you to base scumminess from RR's "Can't let you live to lylo". Although I'm sure he could have learned that from FE since he was scum there with an experienced player. It's more likely null. But it's right for you to ask him about it. Just not call it scummy. You ask first, then you decide the motive.

Why do you feel Adum erased the rest of your RR quote?

Although I do feel the stronger players use that as an excuse to get players like me out of the way early without being reliable [The stronger players] for a "Useless" player's lynch. I try not to think about lylo and just scumhunt, because earlier the better.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Don't need to, it's a stupid question. It doesn't matter because I wasn't for his plan.

Ran, why are you throwing in an AtR, while refusing to answer this question?

MAybe because you cannot answer it without your whole argument falling into shambles?

I'm not going into what if's, that just will distract us.

This is a relly important what if, as your reasoning seems solely off the act that swiss flipped town . Had he flipped scum, there would have been nothig wroong.

And intent is different from results.

Yes, you are defending him. Don't act like you are not.

That's not what I was saying.

You are saying this whole argument is just me chainsawing chibo, when in fact it's much more.

I've had enough of this scrap.

Dayvig: Ran

 

[ranmaru]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU ****ING DIFJDSLFDJSFKLFLKDSFJDSF

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Great.

I hope that's not a real vig. Not claiming yet... but if it was. You... are dumb.

 

[ranmaru]

Of course the reason is from him flipping. Duh that's the info. I'm not getting into what if's you idiot.

 

[ranmaru]

HE DIDN'T FLIP SCUM. That's the problem.

 

[ranmaru]

This whole "case" to fos me and RR, is about Chibo mostly.

"Massive facepalm for ran's reasoning for voting chibo.

To put it simply, would you vote chibo even if swiss was scum?

what's more, why do you blame chibo for everything swiss did, even though he "puposley answered the quesiton wrong", and therefore the burden would be on swiss for his lynch?

Why do you think chibo would have claimed his color, when he said that me and adumb are clear for say seagreen?

RR can die. Ran can die too.

FoS: Ran"

Seems like a defense to me

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Ran, that's not hat I mean.

Basing completely off of the flips is some sort of logical fallacy.

You do realize that chibo probably had no idea what swiss's alignment was when he create dhis plan, and it also had a shot.

Swiss was deliberately trolling, and, as such, you shouldn't put all blame on chibo.

Ran, SO? HE HAD BEEN DELIBERATELY TROLLING, AND HIS QUESTION HAD MERIT. YOU ARE REACHING FOR POITS, AND, IF SWISS FLIPPED SCU, YOU HAD NOTHING TO BASE IT OFFOF.

If I recall, you were against it because "it made the game not fun".

 

[ranmaru]

If Swiss has flipped scum, I'd admit I was wrong and scumhunt else where.

That question was dumb and I was against it because it was cheap. And it was "Not fun", of course.

And I do blame Swiss for ****ing the town over like that.

"Some sort of logical fallacy"

Explain that to me please.

 

[ranmaru]

Hey Beatstick, do you agree with DH's shot? Why or why not?

 

[ranmaru]

Sigh... I guess I'll claim because I'm afraid of DH's vig being real.

I AM THE TOWN PRINCESS.

If that vig was fake, lynch DH.

 

[ranmaru]

DH you pretty quiet now. Talk. Did you really feel I was scummy?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Guys don't friggin claim yet.

DH I sure hope you didn't just do that.

Unvote

Still looking around D1 stuff though.

 

[Kataefi]

omg are you srs? you shouldn't have claimed imo. Your role produced no results and there's a chance Dark Horse's shot could be fake in a bid to get quick reactions from you.

O hai Ryu what do you think of my analysis on you? Also, could you explain why you were concerned for other players against Chibo's aggressive behaviour?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Adumb, do you have any game examples?

I would have one if it wasn't in a private forum, one I am not sure I can quote.

Evil Eye has coined the phrase before which more or less is how I learned it when he explained it to me mid game.