Remaking the Smash Bros. series from the ground-up!

GamingFan1997 · Jul 3, 2023

This thread was inspired by the Revised Brawl thread by

Pupp135 and the Alternate Melee and Ultimate threads by

Perkilator . I wanted to create a similar project, but on a grander scale: an alternate version of the entire Smash Bros. series, from 64 all the way up to Ultimate!

Here are the basics of this thread:

This project will remake Smash 64, Melee, Brawl, Sm4sh (3DS/Wii U), and Ultimate.
- The release dates and amount of development time for these games will remain relatively the same, with each individual game allowed at most 1 year of extra development time.
  - Adding additional content beyond what was already present in each game at launch will use up more development time, while removing content will help save up on development time.
The primary focus will be on the roster, movesets, stages, items, and game modes.
- Clone/Echo fighters take up less development time than fighters with original movesets, with semi-clones somewhere in between.
  - Similarly, porting old movesets, stages, and items takes up less development time than adding new ones.
- Movesets will be designed with the games released or in development at the time of each fighter's Smash debut in mind, but can be updated to reflect their appearances in games after their Smash debut.
Classic Mode, Vs. Mode and Training Mode will be added as default modes for all games, with All-Star Mode being added to all games from Melee onward.
Battlefield and Final Destination will be added as stages by default to all games (though in Smash 64, Battlefield will be named "Duel Zone").
- Since these stages were already in Smash 64 (though they couldn't be played in Vs. Mode or Training Mode), they will not require additional development time for that game.
Everyone is here! is still a thing in Ultimate, so any fighter added to the roster of the previous Smash Bros. games will be added to Ultimate's roster by default.
- Additionally, all fighters added to the original Smash Bros. roster will also be added to Melee's roster by default.

Super Smash Bros. (N64):

(Roster image by

ShadicMCGS , using ConnorRentz's Roster Builder)

Mario	Donkey Kong	Link	Samus	Yoshi	Kirby	Fox	Pikachu
Luigi	Bowser	Marth	Mewtwo	King Dedede	Ness	Captain Falcon	Meowth

Luigi: Clear 1P Game as Mario
Bowser: Clear 1P Game as Donkey Kong
Marth: Clear 1P Game as Link
Mewtwo: Clear 1P Game as Samus
King Dedede: Clear 1P Game as Yoshi
Ness: Clear 1P Game as Kirby
Captain Falcon: Clear 1P Game as Fox
Meowth: Clear 1P Game as Pikachu

(Stage selection image by

ShadicMCGS , using ConnorRentz's Roster Builder)

Metal Cavern	Mushroom Kingdom	Kongo Jungle	Super Happy Tree	Green Greens	Onett
Archanea	Hyrule Castle	Saffron City	Brinstar	Great Fox	Big Blue
	Duel Zone			Final Destination

Archanea: Clear 1P Game with all fighters
Big Blue: Clear 1P Game as Captain Falcon within 20 minutes
Metal Cavern: Clear 1P Game on Very Hard difficulty
Onett: Unlock all fighters

(Item selection image by

ShadicMCGS )

Barrel
Beam Sword
Bob-omb
Bumper
Capsule
Fan
Fire Flower
Green Shell
Hammer
Heart Container
Home-Run Bat
Maxim Tomato
Motion-Sensor Bomb
Pokéball
Ray Gun
Red Shell
Star Rod
Starman
Mr. Saturn
Peanut Gun

Mr. Saturn: Unlock Ness
Peanut Gun: Clear 1P Game with four characters

(Pokémon selection image by

ShadicMCGS )

Bulbasaur
Charizard
Blastoise
Beedrill
Clefairy
Jigglypuff
Onix
Electrode
Hitmonlee
Koffing
Chansey
Goldeen
Starmie
Eevee
Snorlax
Mew

1P Mode
- 1P Game (Classic Mode)
- Training
- Target Test
- Race to the Finish
Vs. Mode
Options
Data

Super Smash Bros. Melee (Gamecube):

(Roster image by

ShadicMCGS )

*Wario*	Mario	Luigi	Bowser	Peach	Yoshi	Donkey Kong	Diddy Kong	Captain Falcon
*Falco*	Fox	Kirby	King Dedede	Ridley	Samus	Link	Zelda/Sheik	*Ganondorf*
Scizor	Meowth	Pikachu	Mewtwo	Ness	Marth	*Ayumi*	Ice Climbers	*Mr. Game & Watch*

Bold indicates unlockable fighters
Italics indicates newcomers

Home Stages:

Bob-omb Battlefield (Mushroom Kingdom) - Mario's stage
Luigi's Mansion (Mushroom Kingdom) - Luigi's stage
Princess Peach's Castle (Mushroom Kingdom) - Peach's stage
Bowser's Castle (Dark Land) - Bowser's stage
Kongo Falls (DK Island) - Donkey Kong's stage
Monkey Mines (DK Island) - Diddy Kong's stage
Great Bay (Termina) - Link's stage
Temple (Hyrule) - Zelda's stage
Gerudo Valley (Hyrule) - Ganondorf's stage
Kraid's Lair (Planet Zebes) - Samus's stage
Norfair (Planet Zebes) - Ridley's stage
Yoshi's Story (Yoshi's Island) - Yoshi's stage
Fountain of Dreams (Planet Popstar) - Kirby's stage
Dedede Arena (Mt. Dedede) - King Dedede's stage
Corneria (Lylat System) - Fox's stage
Venom (Lylat System) - Falco's stage
Pokemon Stadium (Kanto) - Pikachu's stage
Meowth's Party (Johto) - Meowth's stage
Cerulean Cave (Kanto) - Mewtwo's stage
Sprout Tower (Johto) - Scizor's stage
Castle Siege (Archanea) - Marth's stage
Fourside (Eagleland) - Ness's stage
Mute City (F-Zero Grand Prix) - Captain Falcon's stage
Wario's Castle (Kitchen Island) - Wario's stage
Summit (Infinite Glacier) - Ice Climbers' stage
Ushimitsu High School (Japan) - Ayumi's stage
Flat Zone (Superflat World) - Mr. Game & Watch's stage

Special Stages:

Excitebike Course (Excite Arena)
Gameboy (Nintendo)
Battlefield
Final Destination

Past Stages:

Mushroom Kingdom (Mushroom Kingdom)
Hyrule Castle (Hyrule)
Super Happy Tree (Yoshi's Island)
Onett (Eagleland)
Big Blue (F-Zero Grand Prix)
Metal Cavern

Food
Maxim Tomato
Heart Container
Warp Star
Ray Gun
Super Scope
Fire Flower
Lip's Stick
Star Rod
Beam Sword
Home-Run Bat
Fan
Hammer
Green Shell
Red Shell
Flipper
Freezie
Mr. Saturn
Pokéball
Bob-omb
Proximity Mine
Super Mushroom
Poison Mushroom
Starman
Parasol
Screw Attack
Metal Box
Bunny Hood
Cloaking Device
Barrel Cannon
Party Ball
Peanut Gun
Barrel
Capsule
Crate
Assist Trophy
Smart Bomb
Pitfall

Venusaur
Charizard
Blastoise
Clefairy
Electrode
Weezing
Chansey
Goldeen
Staryu
Ditto
Snorlax
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Mew
Chikorita
Cyndaquil
Bellossom
Togepi
Marill
Unown
Wobbufett
Gligar
Heracross
Sneasel
Porygon2
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi

Lakitu & Spinies (Super Mario)
Klaptrap (Donkey Kong Country)
Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Metroid (Metroid)
Chef Kawasaki (Kirby)
Andross (Star Fox)
Tiki (Fire Emblem)
Starman (Mother)
Samurai Goroh (F-Zero)
Polar Bear (Ice Climber)

1-P Mode
- Regular Match
  - Classic Mode
  - All-Star Mode
- Event Match
- Stadium
  - Break the Targets
  - Crystal Smash
  - Trophy Snag
  - Home-Run Contest
  - Race to the Finish
  - Multi-Man Melee
    - 100-Man Melee
    - 3-Minute Melee
    - Endless Melee
    - Cruel Melee
- Training
Vs. Mode
- Melee
  - Time
  - Stock
  - Coin
  - Bonus
- Tournament Melee
- Special Melee
  - Camera Mode
  - Stamina Mode
  - Super Sudden Death
  - Giant Melee
  - Tiny Melee
  - Invisible Melee
  - Fixed-Camera Mode
  - Single-Button Mode
  - Lightning Melee
  - Slo-Mo Melee
  - Tag Melee
  - Turbo Melee
  - Volleyball
  - Vs. All-Star
- Custom Rules
- Name Entry
Trophies
- Gallery
- Lottery
- Collection
Options
- Rumble
- Sound
- Screen Display
- Language
Data
- Snapshots
- Movies
  - How To Play
  - Special Movie
- Records
- Sound Test
- Erase Data

Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii):

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Luigi
Bowser
King Dedede
Captain Falcon
Peach
Zelda/Sheik
Ice Climbers
Wario
Diddy Kong
Ganondorf
Ridley
Mr. Game & Watch
Pit
Lyn
Isaac
Sami
Snake
Sonic
Banjo & Kazooie
King K. Rool
Pokémon Trainer
- Totodile
- Grovyle
- Charizard
Ike
Pikmin & Olimar
Chibi-Robo
Meta Knight
Wolf
Lucas
Midna & Wolf Link
Lucario
Ashley
R.O.B.

Battlefield
Final Destination
Delfino Plaza
Mario Galaxy
Rainbow Road
Dr. Mario
Gangplank Galleon
Bramble Blast
Bridge of Eldin
Vaati's Lair
Crateria
Yoshi's Island
Halberd
City Trial
Forever Train
Sky Pillar
Distortion World
Dragon's Gate
New Pork City
Port Town Aero Dive
WarioWare
Base
Venus Lighthouse
Skyworld
Forest of Hope
Desk
Spiral Mountain
Smashville
Wilderness
Pictochat
Night Walk
Pinata Island
Shadow Moses Island
Dracula's Castle
Green Hill
Monkey Jungle

Past Stages (12/12):

Princess Peach's Castle
Monkey Mines
Temple
Norfair
Yoshi's Story
Fountain of Dreams
Corneria
Pokémon Stadium
Castle Siege
Onett
Summit
Excitebike Course

Classic Mode
All-Star Mode
Vs. Mode
Training Mode

Super Smash Bros. (3DS/Wii U):

Toon Link
Villager

Battlefield
Final Destination

Classic Mode
All-Star Mode
Vs. Mode
Training Mode

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Switch):

64	Melee	Brawl	Sm4sh	Ultimate
1. Mario 2. Donkey Kong 3. Link 4. Samus 5. Yoshi 6. Kirby 7. Fox 8. Pikachu 9. Luigi 10. Bowser 11. Marth 12. Mewtwo 13. King Dedede 14. Ness 15. Captain Falcon 16. Meowth	17. Peach 18. Zelda 19. Sheik 20. Scizor 21. Ice Climbers 22. Wario 23. Diddy Kong 24. Falco 25. Ganondorf 26. Ridley 27. Ayumi 28. Mr. Game & Watch	29. Pit 30. Isaac 31. Lyn 32. Sami 33. Snake 34. Sonic 35. Banjo & Kazooie 36. King K. Rool 37-39. Pokémon Trainer 37. Totodile 38. Grovyle 39. Charizard 40. Ike 41. Pikmin & Olimar 42. Chibi-Robo 43. Meta Knight 44. Wolf 45. Lucas 46. Midna & Wolf Link 47. Lucario 48. Ashley 49. R.O.B.	50. Toon Link 51. Villager

Battlefield
Final Destination

Classic Mode
All-Star Mode
Vs. Mode
Training Mode

Job #1: Submit a fighter roster for Super Smash Bros. (N64)
For this job, submit your preferred roster for the very first Smash Bros. game! Please be sure to explain why you chose your selection of fighters, which fighters are default and which ones are unlockable (in both 64 and Melee), and how much additional development time your roster may require, as well as any moveset adjustments you'd make. For an example, here's mine:

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Luigi (Hidden)
Ness (Unlockable)
Captain Falcon (Unlockable)
Zelda (Unlockable)
Marth (Unlockable)

As you can see, I kept mine very similar to the original Smash Bros., only removing Jigglypuff (who I felt aged the worst as a fighter choice out of the original 12). Luigi would be a "hidden" fighter in 64, made available by holding the grab/shield button while selecting Mario, though in later Smash Bros. games he'd simply have his own spot on the roster.

Zelda, being a completely original fighter, would take about a month or two of extra development time. Her moveset would be a more powerful version of her Melee moveset (similar to Kirby's and Ness's movesets in 64), though to compensate for the lack of side specials in Smash 64, Din's Fire would instead be her neutral special while Naryu's Love becomes her Down Special (naturally, this means no Sheik transformation in 64).

Marth would function as a semi-clone of Link in 64, but would be retooled from Melee onward to function like he normally does in the Smash Bros. series (he still keeps his unique special moves and his iconic sword tip sweet-spot in 64, of course).

Every fighter listed here would be on Melee's base roster except for Luigi and Marth, who'd be unlocked under similar circumstances to the real-life Melee (though in Marth's case, he'd have Jigglypuff's unlock condition instead).

nirvanafan · Jul 3, 2023

Will submit the roster i have in the biased Smash thread

Starting
Mario
Link
Kirby
Marth
Captain Falcon
Fox
Banjo & Kazooie (if Rare is eligible now & cut in the future, if not Yuan Delta from Super Famicom Wars)
Pikachu

Unlockable
Luigi
Gooey
Donkey Kong
Ayumi

BowserKing · Jul 3, 2023

I would keep the original roaster the same. It’s perfect the way it is. Unlockables are the same as well.

Perkilator · Jul 3, 2023

Job #1: Smash 64 Roster (Italics bold denotes unlockable characters)

Mario	Donkey Kong	Link	Samus	Yoshi	Kirby	Fox	Pikachu
Luigi	*Bowser*	*Marth*	*Mewtwo*	*King Dedede*	*Ness*	*Captain Falcon*	Meowth

Each unlockable character would be a "rival" of sorts to the starting roster.

Mario vs. Luigi (no surprise here)
Donkey Kong vs. Bowser (Mario's earliest foes)
Link vs. Marth (swordsmen of legend)
Samus vs. Mewtwo (galactic bounty hunter vs. genetically modified creature, the latter of which loosely resembles an alien)
Yoshi vs. King Dedede (big eaters)
Kirby vs. Ness (the former of which is a space traveler)
Fox vs. Captain Falcon (pilots with animal motifs)
Pikachu vs. Meowth (again, no surprise here)

Bowser, Dedede, Mewtwo and Marth were originally supposed to appear in 64, but were cut due to time constraints, so I'd give 64 another year to add these four back in. I also replaced Jigglypuff with Meowth due to the latter being much more prominent in the anime than the former.

Luigi: Clear 1P Game as Mario w/o continues
Bowser: Clear 1P Game as Donkey Kong w/o continues
Marth: Clear 1P Game as Link w/o continues
Mewtwo: Clear 1P Game as Samus w/o continues
King Dedede: Clear 1P Game as Yoshi w/o continues
Ness: Clear 1P Game as Kirby w/o continues
Captain Falcon Clear 1P Game as Fox w/o continues
Meowth: Clear 1P Game as Pikachu w/o continues

Pupp135 · Jul 3, 2023

I guess I’ll go with 3-6 extra months of development time and propose this roster.

Starters

Secret Fighters

If I’m allowed to have extra starters, I think that Ness would be appropriate as a starter as Mother was popular in Japan at the time, and Earthbound 64 was under development.
I have no objections towards the other starters as they had the history and/or relevancy to back them up.
For secret fighters, I kept the other three as they‘re relatively easy to add, and I don’t really see a better alternative to Jigglypuff given the nature of its addition.
Bowser was incredibly close to making the final cut, so that extra month or two would help finish his development.
Given that Dedede and Mewtwo were initially worked on, I think the extra time and their development time should be usable for making Marth, who’s added as Fire Emblem was a decently relevant series at the time.

Luigi: Clear 1P-Game
Bowser: Clear 1P-Game on Normal+ difficulty w/o continues using 3 stocks
Marth: Clear Break the Targets with the starting cast
Captain Falcon: Clear 1-P Game within 20 minutes
Jigglypuff: Clear Board the Platforms with the Starting cast
Luigi and Bowser get promoted to starter characters in Melee. If I’m doing initial unlock conditions for Melee, Jigglypuff and Marth retain theirs, and Caltain Falcon is unlocked by completing Classic Mode in 15 minutes or Adventure Mode in 30 (he’s also between Falco and Marth for Vs. Mode unlocks).

darkvortex · Jul 3, 2023

Mario
Link
Donkey Kong
Yoshi
Kirby
Samus
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu

Ness
Marth (Semi clone of Link)
Captain Falcon
Luigi (Clone of Mario)
Jigglypuff (Semi Clone of Kirby)
Falco (Clone of Fox)

Northsouthmap · Jul 3, 2023

Ignore this.

JOJONumber691 · Jul 4, 2023

I’m pretty much just going to do the original 12, and if I add any dev time then probably the other members of Team Star Fox as Skins for Fox, as well as Bowser, Dedede, Marth, and Mewtwo.

ShadicMCGS · Jul 4, 2023

Since we're going game-by-game, and a maximum of 1 extra year of development for each game. In terms of the roster, I used various leaks, rumours, mods and unused content for Smash 64 to create my roster, and I decided to allocate six months of extra development time.

The Original 8 stay the same. Considering the time period of late 1999 to early 2000, these series were still relevant by then.
The original Secret 4 also stays the same. If there was more time, then Jigglypuff would be replaced with Mewtwo, but since I just only put in six months, that won't happen.
That leaves about four characters left:
- Bowser almost made it into the actual game, but time constraints pulled him out. Now that we have extra time, I'd say we can put him in here.
- Marth was considered to be in the game, and apparently, he was supposed to be a more technical version of Link. So I'm gonna put him in, but as an unlockable.
- I needed to include at least one new clone character, since we already have Luigi for Mario and Jigglypuff for Kirby (in a way). Seeing that we have five Mario characters (inc. Yoshi and DK) and two Pokémon reps, this leaves an extra character for Zelda, Metroid or Star Fox (F-Zero and Earthbound don't warrant another character, and Kirbymight give off some Sakurai bias).
  - Eventually, I chose Ganondorf as a Captain Falcon clone. As we know, he started as a Falcon clone, so if he debuts in the first game, then he'll have more time to be decloned.
- This last character is the most oddball choice, but it's Marina from Mischief Makers. Of course, we know her for being in Smash Remix, but at the time of this release, she would probably be the most obscure character despite being recently released. We also need another female rep (Jigglypuff is feminine, but either gender), so I felt like she would be a good addition.
Honorable Mentions: Peach, Wario, Zelda, King Dedede, Falco and Mewtwo. (Most likely all are gonna be in the next one).

Jigglypuff - Same as before: Complete Classic Mode with any character.
Captain Falcon - Same as before: Complete Classic Mode within 20 minutes. (Starter in Melee)
Luigi - Same as before: Complete Break the Targets with all starter characters.
Ness - Same as before: Complete Classic Mode on Normal with 3 lives or less and no continues. (Starter in Melee)
Bowser - Play 50 Versus Matches. (Starter in Melee)
Marth - Complete Board the Platforms with all starter characters.
Ganondorf - Complete Classic Mode on Hard within 25 minutes.
Marina - Idk rn, I'll edit this at some point later.

Note: I feel like extra development is really gonna become handy in Melee and Brawl.

Tankman from Newgrounds · Jul 4, 2023

Smash 64 roster submission:
1. DK
2. Mario
3. Link
4. Samus
5. Yoshi
6. Kirby
7. Fox
8. Pikachu
(Same like in SSB64)

Unlockables:
1. Luigi
2. Pit (I feel that he could be a retro rep of the game)
3. Marth
4. Captain Falcon
5. Ness
6. Mewtwo (Planned to be in SSB64)

GamingFan1997 · Jul 4, 2023

Here are all the nominations for Smash 64's roster!

Vote for your top 3, with yours below 1st:

Tankman from Newgrounds · Jul 4, 2023

1. Perkilator
2. Mine
3. Darkvortex

ShadicMCGS · Jul 4, 2023

My nominations:

Perkilator - The only one to include rivalries, only critique is that all characters can be unlocked through 1P Game.
Mine - Rules say we can put our own either on 2nd or 3rd, so I kinda had to. (maybe future rounds, try and limit that even further).
Pupp135 - Added a reasoning to some of their choices, which is why I like some context to choices.

darkvortex · Jul 4, 2023

1. Pupp135
2. Mine
3. Shadic

Perkilator · Jul 4, 2023

BowserKing
Perkilator
Tankman

nirvanafan · Jul 4, 2023

Perkilator
Myself
Tankman

BowserKing · Jul 4, 2023

1.Pupp
2.Perkilator
3.Mine

DragonRobotKing26 · Jul 4, 2023

1. Perk
2. Shadic
3. Tankman

Damn,i didn't made my own Smash 64 roster

Pupp135 · Jul 4, 2023

1. Shadic
2. Jojo
3. Perkilator

Also, Happy 4th for those who celebrate.

GamingFan1997 · Jul 4, 2023

Okay, time to tally up the voting results:

Perkilator 's roster will be the roster used for Super Smash Bros. (N64), meaning we'll be using up the whole year of extra development time for Smash 64.

Job #2: Submit a selection of 12 stages for Super Smash Bros. (N64)
I feel that 12 stages is a decent number for the first Smash Bros. game (and technically, it was the number of combat-oriented stages in the first Smash Bros. game, even if 3 of those were restricted to Classic Mode), . Here are the rules:

All 8 of the default fighters must have a default stage representing their series.
At least 2 of the stages must be unlockable.
You may choose whether or not to have Duel Zone and Final Destination as part of the stage selection, as well as whether they are default or unlockable.
If you submit a stage that was not one in the original Smash Bros., be sure to explain that stage's layout and gimmicks/hazards.
Each stage will have its own dedicated music track.

Perkilator · Jul 4, 2023

Job #2: 64 Stages

Bob-Omb Battlefield (this would be a stage with two platforms on each side and a cannon in the middle that appears occasionally; the music is an SSB64-style remix of Bob-Omb Battlefield)
Kongo Jungle
Hyrule Castle
Planet Zebes
Super Happy Tree
Dream Land
Sector Z
Pokémon Center (this would be a stage with a similar layout to Battlefield, though Pokémon would occasionally appear as hazards; the music is the same as Saffron City)
Magicant (this would be the same as the 3DS stage; the music would be an SSB64-style remix of Magicant, and you’d unlock this stage by unlocking Ness)
Mute City (this would also be the same as the 3DS stage, complete with the original theme on the SNES; unlocked by unlocking Captain Falcon)
Akaneia (this would be based on Chapter 1 from Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light, acting more as a Battlefield layout; the music would be an SSB64-style remix of Shadow Dragon’s map theme, and you’d unlock it by unlocking Marth)
Meta Crystal (unlocked by clearing 1P Game as all characters)

BowserKing · Jul 4, 2023

I say keep the original 8 stages.
Unlockable Stages Bowser’s Castle, Pokémon Stadium, Saturn Valley and Meta Crystal.
Bowser’s Castle stage is similar to the how is t portrayed in the first Mario Game, collapsible bridge and all.
Pokémon stadium is the same as Melee’s, but with

flying in the background
Saturn Valley is the springs with Mr.Saturns in the background.

ShadicMCGS · Jul 4, 2023

Ok so judging by the guidelines set by the host, and the fact we're using a year of development time; here is what I have planned. Note that some images are from Smash Remix.

Blue means starter stage, while red means unlockable stage.

Starting Stages:
1. Mushroom Kingdom from Super Mario - This replaces Peach's Castle as the starter stage, meaning that this is the sole stage from the franchise. The music remains the same.
2. Jungle Japes from Donkey Kong - Replacing Congo Jungle as a whole, and it's the same layout as the Melee stage, but without the water gimmicks. The music remains the same.
3. Hyrule Castle from The Legend of Zelda - The stage layout, hazards, and music remains the same.
4. Planet Zebes from Metroid - The stage layout, hazards, and music remains the same.
5. Yoshi's Story from Yoshi - Replacing Yoshi's Island (now Super Happy Tree), it uses the same layout as the Melee stage, and now acts as the "starter" stage for competitive play. (Duel Zone needs to be unlocked). However, the music remains the same.
6. Mt. Dedede from Kirby - Replacing Dream Land as a whole, it's a simple flat platform that's similar to Boxing Ring from Smash 4, but without the bouncing ring or the falling lights. The music is now King Dedede's theme. (Smash Remix is used as a reference point)
7. Sector Z from Star Fox - Remains the same as the original game, including the music.
8. Saffron City from Pokémon - I originally was going to choose Pokémon Stadium from future games, but I decided to stay with Saffron City, because the N64 probably wouldn't be able to handle transforming stages. The music remains the same.
Unlockable Stages:
- Mute City - The layout is similar to the Battlefield form of the 3DS stage, alternatively adding the Blue Falcon as a platform. This stage is unlocked when the player completes 1P Game with Captain Falcon. The music of the stage is the regular Mute City theme.
- Onett - The layout is similar to the one in Melee, except the hazards are reduced significantly, maybe only having the moving car. This stage is unlocked when the player completes 1P Game with Ness. The music of the stage is Pollyanna.
- Duel Zone - Also known as Battlefield, the stage remains the same as well as the music. This stage is unlocked by completing 1P Game with all starter characters.
- Final Destination - Same as before, with the stage and music remaining the same. This stage is unlocked by completing 1P Game with every character within 20 minutes and play every multiplayer stage at least once. (yeah this is the hardest thing to get)
- Honorable Mention: A Fire Emblem stage - The job description and the chosen roster is too restrictive to include an FE stage. If there were two unlockable stages, they would have to be from F-Zero and EarthBound.

Side note: Counting Duel Zone and Final Destination as part of the 12 definitely makes this even more restrictive.

Also as a bonus, here's Perkilator's roster in the roster maker. Blue means starter characters, while red means unlockables.

Perkilator · Jul 4, 2023

I think for fun, I’ll whip up some special moves for the cast. I’m going to do 3 special moves per character because that’s how it was in 64.

Mario
- Neutral: Fire Ball
- Up: Super Jump Punch
- Down: Raccoon Tail (works like Mario Tornado)
Donkey Kong
- Neutral: Barrel Toss (DK tosses an empty barrel forward)
- Up: Barrel Cannon (DK shoots upward, hitting anyone in the way)
- Down: Spinning Kong
Link
- Neutral: Bow & Arrow
- Up: Spin Attack
- Down: Bomb
Samus
- Neutral: Missile
- Up: Speed Booster (Samus travels straight upward but doesn’t deal damage)
- Down: Morph Ball / Bomb (Samus curls into her Morph Ball form and can leave bombs by pressing A. Pressing B or getting hit causes Samus to exit this form)
Yoshi
- Neutral: Egg Toss (Yoshi aims at the nearest opponent, then throws an egg that deals relatively minor damage)
- Up: Hip Drop (Yoshi jumps up and then slams down with a shockwave. In the air, it has more horizonal distance than vertical distance.)
- Down: Egg Roll
Kirby
- Neutral: Inhale
- Up: High Jump (Kirby jumps high into the air and hits any opponent in the way; of course, once that happens, it counts as a footstool and Kirby is sent into freefall)
- Down: Stone
Fox
- Neutral: Blaster
- Up: Fire Fox
- Down: Reflector
Pikachu
- Neutral: Thunder Shock (basically Thunder Jolt but using the name of one of Pikachu’s canonical attacks)
- Up: Quick Attack
- Down: Thunder

Luigi
- Neutral: Fire Ball
- Up: Super Jump Punch
- Down: Racoon Tail
Bowser
- Neutral: Fire Shot (Bowser shoots fireballs that get smaller and weaker with successive use)
- Up: Koopa Clown Car (Bowser floats upward in his Clown Car; he can be interrupted by an attack and pressing any other button ends it early)
- Down: Whirling Fortress
Marth
- Neutral: Shield Breaker
- Up: Dolphin Slash
- Down: Counter
Mewtwo
- Neutral: Swift (functionality closer to Shadow Ball but fires as a volley of stars instead)
- Up: Teleport
- Down: Disable
King Dedede
- Neutral: Gordo Toss
- Up: Dedede Jump
- Down: Hammer Flip
Ness
- Neutral: PK Freeze
- Up: PK Thunder
- Down: PSI Magnet
Captain Falcon
- Neutral: Falcon Punch
- Up: Falcon Dive
- Down: Falcon Kick
Meowth
- Neutral: Pay Day (Meowth tosses a coin forward. The damage and knockback it deals depends on how far behind Meowth is compared to the opponents.)
- Up: Blast Off (Meowth gets launched by a comical explosion; he doesn’t take recoil damage, but how high he’s launched depends on how much damage he has)
- Down: Scratch (Meowth backflips forward and grabs an opponent; if successful, he scratches the opponent multiple times, which he can finish by pressing B. Pressing B before Meowth grabs anyone has him instead slash in a frontflip.)

GamingFan1997 · Jul 5, 2023

ShadicMCGS said:
Side note: Counting Duel Zone and Final Destination as part of the 12 definitely makes this even more restrictive.

You bring up a good point regarding Duel Zone and Final Destination, Shadic. Actually, I originally had the stages that were already in Smash 64 (including the three that were restricted to 1P Game) in mind when coming up with Job #2, since we were already using up the extra development time to expand the roster to 16 (which will most likely include additional Break the Targets and Board the Platforms stages for those new characters, as well as new members of the Fighting Polygon Team). But now that I think about it, even with the roster additions, we might still have enough time and space left to squeeze in another stage or two.

With that in mind, I've decided to remove the requirement to include Duel Zone and Final Destination as part of the 12-stage roster submission for Job #2. They'll still be in the game (they do serve as the final stages of 1P Game, after all), and it's still possible to include them as part of the roster and/or submit unlock conditions for them, but it's no longer required to do so.

nirvanafan · Jul 5, 2023

1 Princess Peachs Castle (Melee Iteration)
2 Temple of Time (Battlefieldish Layout)
3 Planet Zebes
4 Castle Dedede (Peachs Castle 64 Reskin)
5 Sector Z
6 Saffron City
7 Kongo Jungle
8 Yoshis Island (Super Happy Tree)
9 Akaneia Castle (Part 1 of Castle Siege)(Unlockable)
10 Onett (Unlockable)
11 Big Blue (Unlockable)
12 Excitebike Arena (To rep vehicle based sports games which were big with Nintendo at the time with Excitebike 64, Wave Race, & 1080) (Unlockable)

Pupp135 · Jul 5, 2023

Here is the selection (I used cyan to denote the unlockable stages).
Mushroom Kingdom
Kongo Jungle
Hyrule Castle
Planet Zebes (renamed to Brinstar)
Archanea
Super Happy Tree (keeps that name)
Big Blue
Dream Land (renamed to Green Greens)
Sector Z (renamed to Great Fox)
Onett
Saffron City
Metal Cavern/Meta Crystal

This stage selection will allow me to have each franchise with its own stage.
Archanea would have the same layout as the second Castle Siege layout, and the song would be the main theme for Mystery of the Emblem.
I feel like Big Blue is less complex to make compared to the Mute City maps. The Big Blue song used in the F-Zero games is used for this stage.
Onett is almost identical to its Melee reincarnation, but Polyanna is the theme song instead.
I like Peach’s Castle but Mushroom Kingdom is more prominent, and I wanted each franchise to have its own stage.
I considered replacing Saffron City with Pokemon Stadium, but I like the layout that Saffron City has, and it gives Pokemon a less generic atmosphere for its first stage.
I have a feeling that Metal Cavern will be a part of 1-P Game, so why not make it available in Vs Mode.

Archanea: Complete 1-P game with all fighters
Big Blue: Beat 1P-Game with Captain Falcon within 20 minutes
Onett: Unlock all fighters
Metal Cavern: Beat 1-P Game on Very Hard difficulty

Perkilator · Jul 5, 2023

ShadicMCGS said:
View attachment 374309
Also as a bonus, here's Perkilator's roster in the roster maker. Blue means starter characters, while red means unlockables.

I like it! I also decided to make my own character select screen to better convey who's a rival to who.

GamingFan1997 · Jul 6, 2023

Okay, I think we're ready to start the voting process for Job #2. Here are the nominations:

Vote for your top 2, with yours below 1st:

Job #3: Submit a selection of items for Super Smash Bros. (N64)
Here are the rules:

The minimum number of items is 15, while the maximum number of items is 25.
Provide the Nintendo series that each of your submitted items represents.
- This includes Super Smash Bros. itself, if a submitted item is original to the series.
If the Pokéball item is included in your item selection, please provide a list of 10 to 20 Pokémon that can be summoned using it.
- This also applies to characters summoned via the Assist Capsule item that was considered for Melee (and its eventual replacement from Brawl onward, the Assist Trophy), should it be included.
- Only one "summon" item can be included in your selection.
If you include items that haven't been in the Smash Bros. series before, explain how they would function.

Personally, there isn't really anything I'd change about the items already in the first Smash Bros. game (including the Pokéball assists), as I think they're an appropriate selection for the first game in the series. The only change I'd make is one out of necessity: since Meowth is a playable fighter this time around, his position as a Pokéball assist would instead go to Jigglypuff, who'd use her Sing attack to put opponents to sleep, leaving them open to attacks.

darkvortex · Jul 6, 2023

1. Pupp
2. Shadic

ShadicMCGS · Jul 6, 2023

Perkilator
Me (Shadic)

I'll put items in a separate post.

DragonRobotKing26 · Jul 6, 2023

1. Perk
2. Pupp

Mamboo07 · Jul 6, 2023

Perk
Pupp

nirvanafan · Jul 6, 2023

Pupp135
Perkilator

BowserKing · Jul 6, 2023

1.Pupp
2.Mine

Pupp135 · Jul 6, 2023

1. Perkilator
2. Mine

In terms of items, I agree with

GamingFan1997 that the only change is to switch Jigglypuff to a pokemon assist.

Mamboo07 · Jul 6, 2023

Can't wait for Melee so I can put in a Wario Land based Wario for the roster very soon.

ShadicMCGS · Jul 6, 2023

Considering that one of two are likely to win the stages job, I slightly based my item picks on said submissions.

The items remain mostly the same, with two additional items.
Mr. Saturn - Unlocked alongside Ness, and works exactly how you think it works.
Peanut Gun - Unlocked by completing 1P Game with four starter characters, and the peanuts (bullets) have different properties compared to the Ray Gun. This also serves as tiny "promotion" for Donkey Kong 64. I realised a bit too late that DK64 was after Smash 64, but considering both games would be development around the same time, I felt like they could sneak in.

As for the Poké Ball Pokémon, the pool is largely the same, with some more additions.

Most of the roster remains the same, except a few changes:

Bulbasaur - Does the move Razor Leaf when summoned, similar to Venusaur on Saffron City. (This can also replace Venusaur in the actual stage)
Jigglypuff - Replaces Meowth, since they've swapped as characters and Pokémon. She uses the move Sing that puts the players to sleep within her reach.
Electrode - Does the move Explosion after a certain amount of time, similar to its function on Saffron City.
Eevee - Does the move Take Down nearby opponents, like its Smash 4 function. (This can also replace Porygon on Saffron City)

GamingFan1997 · Jul 7, 2023

The voting results for Smash 64's stages are in!

Pupp135 's stage choices will be the ones used for Super Smash Bros. (N64).

And here are the voting options for Smash 64's items:

Job #4: Submit a 1P Game (Classic Mode) format for Super Smash Bros. (N64)

Honestly, this is another thing from the original Super Smash Bros. that I personally wouldn't change, since it serves as a good basis for future single-player modes in the Super Smash Bros. series. This, of course, means that Break the Targets and Board the Platforms would also be returning as modes. Still, I'd like to hear your suggestions as to how you'd handle 1P Game!

ShadicMCGS · Jul 7, 2023

You probably should've waited a bit more in terms of items, just saying; feel like we're moving a bit too fast.
Yet again, I'm not the host, I was just suggesting!

For modes: I think nothing really needs to change in terms of the amount of modes and what they are. I think the three modes we have are fine, since there weren't any unused modes for Smash 64 (the only change would obviously add more Target/Platform stages for the 5 new characters). I also can't think of any adjustments to 1P game as well.

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