Religion: what is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Huah!

[Jem.]

Okay so, someone told me: "Its that there was a huge random bang then the universe was created"

Is that it? If so, explain to me, in depth, since you will, this random bang and how it made everything perfect.

I guess if you want to play that way, I doubt leprachauns existed, but im not ruling them out.

Well, if you're asking me to prove god exists, can you prove he doesn't? Sorry, I can't just be like "sup god, strike this random internet guy with lightning"

 

[Miharu]

Okay so, someone told me: "Its that there was a huge random bang then the universe was created"

Is that it? If so, explain to me, in depth, since you will, this random bang and how it made everything perfect.

I guess if you want to play that way, I doubt leprachauns existed, but im not ruling them out.

Well, if you're asking me to prove god exists, can you prove he doesn't? Sorry, I can't just be like "sup god, strike this random internet guy with lightning"

Good random trolling.

Ignore LOL.

Not kidding. This and the previous 2-3 posts make it pretty obvious.

 

[Jem.]

What's wrong? Can't prove the bang?

 

[Jellybelly]

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=f144dedf-06a7-45a4-9b11-f07d9ebfaae6

I watched that 23 minutes in hell video. EDIT(Though I don't believe it)

People should watch this.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=f144dedf-06a7-45a4-9b11-f07d9ebfaae6

I watched that 23 minutes in hell video.

People should watch this.

Are you saying we should kill people for being gay or shouldn't kill people for being gay?

 

[Jellybelly]

Are you saying we should kill people for being gay or shouldn't kill people for being gay?

shouldn't.

I was just saying that i watched that video so people should watch the one i posted.

 

[otter]

One of the most interesting things about Christianity in particular is how easily people can throw away their connections to nature. I've never seen animals killing each other for recourses they don't need. Or gossiping in order to tear each other down in social rankings. Humans may be more intelligent but we are certainly not "better" or "above" them. Those terms are way too easy anyway. When you look at how complex and stable and consistant the makings of this world are....how do you convince yourself that it's all there so that you can enjoy a good cheeseburger?

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
Mahatma Gandhi

Too much of religion seems like people just went "well, heres what we want. How do we get there?", instead of starting with the truth.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

Then prove that science is completely reliable.

If science were completely reliable we would have stopped already. Science is just a process where we observe phenomena to create a model of how it might work. Then we do tests to see if the model works or fails. If it works, we continue to test it. If it fails then we see what and how the model fails and correct a deficiency, expand the model or stop using the model and create a new one based on the data that is present.

The current theories that we use are models based on huge amounts of data. The cores of these theories have (more or less) been proven to work at all times within their system.

Watch this anyone if you want to. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648563944666093503

This is a really boring movie. He keeps changing the meanings in the bible to match with present technology. But you can do this with any book so it isn't very impressive. To give an example of why his sermon doesn't matter, if any of our calculations change or we find new evidence that changes our perspective of our universe, he'd just change what the bible means to match the new discovery.

So this guy goes to sleep and dreams of a hell which is similar to what he's been told his whole life, as a christian, so it must be true. I have to say that I've had some pretty cool dreams myself, and you might want to look into lucid dreaming. But it doesn't make any of the things I saw in my dreams real.

Why did you waste my time with this?

You're REALLY ignorant if you think Jesus didn't once walk on this earth, cause he DID.

What evidence do you have that a person named Jesus who performed miracles existed? Because there is no evidence outside of the bible. It's another one of those things you have to take on faith.

 

[espio87]

Okay so, someone told me: "Its that there was a huge random bang then the universe was created"

Is that it? If so, explain to me, in depth, since you will, this random bang and how it made everything perfect.

Ok, I'm going to explain the theory since it seems you didn't want to read it from wikipedia:
All the matter in the previous universe condensed in one single spot thanks to a phenomenon called the Big Crunch.
But there was so much matter in that single spot that it couldn't hold together anymore and it simply exploded. Its like when you put too much air in a balloon. There you have the Big Bang. Slowly after that the galaxies started to form, and the stars and the planets.
Oh, and the universe is far from perfect. It's constantly changing, the galaxies are moving, stars die and create black holes, comets and meteorites collide with planets, etc. Even our galaxy is set on a collision course with the Andromeda Galaxy!
Also, scientific research shows that a Big Crunch will happen in the universe. So I guess then a Big Bang will happen again and another universe will be created.

 

[antimatter]

^sure, that's all well and good, but how did that first one get created?

 

[Jem.]

Ok, I'm going to explain the theory since it seems you didn't want to read it from wikipedia:
All the matter in the previous universe condensed in one single spot thanks to a phenomenon called the Big Crunch.
But there was so much matter in that single spot that it couldn't hold together anymore and it simply exploded. Its like when you put too much air in a balloon. There you have the Big Bang. Slowly after that the galaxies started to form, and the stars and the planets.
Oh, and the universe is far from perfect. It's constantly changing, the galaxies are moving, stars die and create black holes, comets and meteorites collide with planets, etc. Even our galaxy is set on a collision course with the Andromeda Galaxy!
Also, scientific research shows that a Big Crunch will happen in the universe. So I guess then a Big Bang will happen again and another universe will be created.

An explosion slowly created the universe, and made a suitable living environment in planet earth? It just seems like too convenient of story.. I don't debate all the time, so I probably sound dense and really dumb, but.. Ya know?

 

[GhostAnime]

Is that it? If so, explain to me, in depth, since you will, this random bang and how it made everything perfect.

what do you mean by everything perfect? are you referring to the earth?

so you think it's impossible to get a hole in one if you randomly kick a golf ball?

Well, if you're asking me to prove god exists, can you prove he doesn't? Sorry, I can't just be like "sup god, strike this random internet guy with lightning"

then why should i believe in him? if there's no reason to, i have to assume he doesnt exist; at least your god.

 

[CivicSmash]

Homosexuality is a sin. Hate the sin, love the person. Homosexuality is a choice. Living a life of homosexuality is like living a life as a thief. They are both sinful acts. People are more tolerant of homosexual people because it doesn't appear to be harming anyone. I love homosexual people but I hate what they do. Don't flame me, I'm not insulting gay people.

If Christians hate gay people then they aren't very good Christians at all.

Sin is made up religious word invented to scare and manipulate people.

 

[CivicSmash]

Well if you reject my answers then that is your choice. If you put me down, then that is not a civilised manner to deal with anything. Your hearts are hard and your minds are narrow. Your fates are sealed and you cannot harm me beyond death so I have nothing to worry about.

"Your hearts are hard"-what does this mean? oh yeah nothing.

 

[CivicSmash]

An explosion slowly created the universe, and made a suitable living environment in planet earth? It just seems like too convenient of story.. I don't debate all the time, so I probably sound dense and really dumb, but.. Ya know?

The universe (if you really know what that means) has been proven to be expanding. There was a bing bang, end of story. It still has a label "theory" due to religious nuts.

I challenge you to read this:


http://skyserver.sdss.org/dr1/en/astro/universe/universe.asp

 

[Aesir]

An explosion slowly created the universe, and made a suitable living environment in planet earth? It just seems like too convenient of story.. I don't debate all the time, so I probably sound dense and really dumb, but.. Ya know?

You wanna talk about convenience? lol

God.

Sounds pretty god **** convenient lol

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

Doods what happened to this topic?

What evidence do you have that a person named Jesus who performed miracles existed? Because there is no evidence outside of the bible. It's another one of those things you have to take on faith

There is more evidence that Jesus existed than George Washington. You said that there is no evidence outside of the bible but that is something that must have popped out of nowhere. Jesus appears in many other religions, other than Christianity, even though not everyone of them agrees that he was the Son of Man. Hell, did you know that Jesus is also the most common word in the world, translated into thousands of different languages? (correct my estimation if is wrong please)

 

[antimatter]

^sure, that's all well and good, but how did that first one get created?

no one's answered this yet.

 

[Aesir]

There is more evidence that Jesus existed than George Washington. You said that there is no evidence outside of the bible but that is something that must have popped out of nowhere.

Learn to history, I mean my god, you're saying our first president is less likely to have existed then Jesus.

I laughed seriously..>_>

Jesus appears in many other religions, other than Christianity, even though not everyone of them agrees that he was the Son of Man.

Like?

Hell, did you know that Jesus is also the most common word in the world, translated into thousands of different languages? (correct my estimation if is wrong please)

That proves what exactly?

 

[espio87]

An explosion slowly created the universe, and made a suitable living environment in planet earth? It just seems like too convenient of story.. I don't debate all the time, so I probably sound dense and really dumb, but.. Ya know?

Dude, do you have any idea of how big the universe is? Well, just to say, if the dot of the letter "i" is planet Earth, then the Milky Way Galaxy is the USA, and that's just one galaxy, there are hundreds if not thousands of galaxies in the Universe. It is impossible that only one planet in the Universe can support life.

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

The last sentence was an fyi, not much importance.

But I have learned history. Physical evidence for Jesus is the Shroud of Turin but you won't find his body, being that he has evidently ascended to a higher plane. You can ask a Jewish man and even he will tell you that Jesus once walked the earth, but he won't tell you that he was the Son of Man. Islam is another religion that believes he existed, but did not see him as divine, and only existed as a prophet and a Jewish teacher. Islam also doesn't believe he was crucified.

 

[GhostAnime]

so are we talking about modern word of mouth and popularity or actual witnesses back then?

 

[Aesir]

But I have learned history. Physical evidence for Jesus is the Shroud of Turin but you won't find his body, being that he has evidently ascended to a higher plane.

No it doesn't.

In fact thats more evidence he never even existed at all.

You can ask a Jewish man and even he will tell you that Jesus once walked the earth, but he won't tell you that he was the Son of Man.

A Jewish man today wasn't alive during his alleged life.

Show me a primary source.

Islam is another religion that believes he existed, but did not see him as divine, and only existed as a prophet and a Jewish teacher. Islam also doesn't believe he was crucified.

Again LOL

You're not using creditable sources.

Any creditable source was later found to be a forgery made by the church.

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

No it doesn't.

In fact thats more evidence he never even existed at all.

Umm.. that doesn't make any sense at ALL. It is the Turin he wore before he died.

All right then lets use your own argument against you. There is no evidence that Julius Caesar walked the earth but you believe that he existed don't you?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F9cqKafnUrk

 

[ToyzSoldier]

Why isn't the bible good enough to prove Jesus is real?

 

[GhostAnime]

because the bible's credibility hasnt been proven.

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

Question, does Europe have a major religion/ philosophy anymore? Why are they paying churches to say the wrong thing, for the sake of removing religion?

 

[~N9NE~]

@ Aesir: Islam also believes in the existence of Jesus.

Seeking concrete proof for the existence of God, in all truth, is impossible. I wish there was concrete proof for God's existence. However, God is not a participant you can submit to psychological testing, you cannot take a sample of God’s DNA and examine his genetic makeup. The difference between those who believe in God and those who don’t ultimately relies on one thing; faith. Faith itself cannot be measured, cannot be forced on one, cannot be administered. It is the deciding factor in whether you believe in God or not. We could discuss the greatest theological arguments that strive to prove God's existence, but this alone cannot convert one to believe in God.

 

[RazeveX]

not to be biased or anything, but it seems that everyone fighting for science is providing actual evidence, while everyone else is...asking the same questions over and over, rejecting any answers they dislike.

just my observation.

 

[~N9NE~]

I won't reject anyone's answers.

I will tell you straight out. I cannot prove God's existence to you, concretely. As I said before, the difference between those who believe in God and those who don't is determined by whether they have faith in his existence. It's that simple.

 

[Aesir]

No it doesn't.

In fact thats more evidence he never even existed at all.

Umm.. that doesn't make any sense at ALL. It is the Turin he wore before he died.

How would that cloth proved he existed at all then?

Are you just throwing out random things? because thats what it looked like..

I Thought you were implying since his body isn't there.

All right then lets use your own argument against you. There is no evidence that Julius Caesar walked the earth but you believe that he existed don't you?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F9cqKafnUrk

To anyone who isn't well versed in history that would work, but you really picked the wrong person to argue history against...>_>

I'm just going to list a few reasons;

1. We have Primary sources of his existence.

2. We have secondary sources of his existence

ffs we even have things he wrote himself, we even have his political adversaries talking about him.

Seriously if you wanted to make a better case you would do what Eor did, and picked Hannibal.

@ Aesir: Islam also believes in the existence of Jesus.

Islam also believes a lot of other things, should we believe that too? No Islam isn't a creditable sources.

 

[~N9NE~]

Jesus appears in many other religions, other than Christianity, even though not everyone of them agrees that he was the Son of Man.

Like?

I was just answering that.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

Who here actually believes the shroud of turin is proof of jesus?

 

[~N9NE~]

I don't, and I'm Christian.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

Thank you.

 

[Aesir]

Who here actually believes the shroud of turin is proof of jesus?

apparently Jiggly does.

 

[CivicSmash]

Originally posted by KingJiggyWiggy:
"There is more evidence that Jesus existed than George Washington."

This is the most unintuitive completely false statement I have seen on Smashboards.
George Washington was The President of the United States of America. There is absolutely no debate whatsoever that he didn't exist. There is a million times more evidence that washington existed than jesus. But, I do think jesus was a real person as well.

Originally posted by KingJiggyWiggy:
"there is no evidence that julius ceaser existed."
You need to do everyone a favor and either graduate the 5th grade or never post anything ever again. Thats like saying that there no evidence to disprove the existance of unicorns. It makes 100% no sense. He was born on July 13, 100 B.C. and died March 15, 44 B.C. There is no debate whatsoever on the fact that he existed.

Oh, but yes I dont what what you guys are talking about but Jesus was a jew. He appears in MANY different religions. Rastafarianism just to name one.

 

[otter]

I won't reject anyone's answers.

I will tell you straight out. I cannot prove God's existence to you, concretely. As I said before, the difference between those who believe in God and those who don't is determined by whether they have faith in his existence. It's that simple.

Your Religion has made a perfect system in which it simply cannot be wrong if you have faith. That alone should be enough to make you wonder. There is insurance in place for that too though, it's called Hell.

If religion is so obviously the right path, where are there so many measures taken so they won't have to prove it?

Most people are not on the side of science because they whole heartedly believe in the Big Bang, but because it is the side that encourages questions.

 

[CivicSmash]

Dude, do you have any idea of how big the universe is? Well, just to say, if the dot of the letter "i" is planet Earth, then the Milky Way Galaxy is the USA, and that's just one galaxy, there are hundreds if not thousands of galaxies in the Universe. It is impossible that only one planet in the Universe can support life.

Yes, it is IMPOSSIBLE that life is not existing elsewhere. People cant even see the vast majority of the universe. If our solar system (from the sun out to around pluto, and pluto is way far away compared to the sun from the earth) were the diameter of a Cd, then our galaxy is the diameter of the ENTIRE WORLD. And that is just our galaxy, one of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS. Our planet is so small it is almost impossible to comprehend how insignificantly miniscule it actually is. Then imagine how small a man is, then an ant, then a cell, then an atom. Size really is insignificant, like the galaxy in Men In Black.

Incredibly mind-blowing to think about........really.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/visible_from_earth_031229.html

 

[Aesir]

I'm gonna have to say, that assuming our planet is the only one with life is kind of narrow minded and ignorant.

a few years back it was crazy to think there were any planets outside our solar system.

just the same, it was crazy to think water existed on other planets.

you know whats funny? there over 100 known planets, even funnier, many of these have some form of water....

So, to think our planet is the only odd one is pretty narrow minded, maybe a rarity but no way are we the only planet with an atmosphere to support life.