That doesn't answer what decides right and wrong though. It shows you personally live the way you do, but it doesn't say why others should. I mean why have hope for the future if I'm not gonna be around to see it? It's a selfish outlook, and I wouldn't look at life that way, but who am I to tell someone they are wrong if they did?
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Religion: what is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Huah!
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You make it sound so sad
I keep away from religion for moral reasons, not JUST because it's so unlikely to be truth.
The people decide what the laws are. You are completely ignorant of our legal system. The laws that are set forth today are created by the elected officials of the House and the Senate and is ratified (put into law) by the President, another elected official. If these elected officials go against the will of the people, then they won't be elected again.
And even with these laws, they cannot oppose the constitution, the supreme law of the land. If a law is created and ratified that does, it can be taken to the judicial system were it can be ruled unconstitutional and struck down.
This is all info that you learn in a basic Civics class. But as I understand it, they don't teach civics anymore.
espio87
Smash Ace
If you have seen what happened in the 20th century in my country, you would know that hope is everything there is. Why there are people in my country fighting for a change? Because they have hope it will work. People still work for salaries lower than the minimun because they have to feed their children. We have lost a total of 26 years of democracy in the last century and once the responsables of the last military goverment were sent to jail, they were freed by the former president Menem. But people never gave up and they are sending them again to jail. Why are people so persistent? Because they don't want the next generations to go through what happened before. If there wasn't hope for the future a lot of people would have killed themselves, me included.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Prayer was never supposed to do anything in the first place! It's about the way you feel after helping others and yourself.
@Aesir: As a former asthmatic I can tell you that medicine won't make it any better. Patients will believe doctors because it was "scientifically proven" to reduce symptoms. Sad truth is, they will only make the symptoms worse. A patient will gradually consume more medicine, and the corporations laugh while the patients will buy more of their products. That was the point of my post. You can't just trust a higher name because of their sources.
The story was to show that others will only believe what they see. I forgot to include that the man said, "I can see that he is in the box with my very own eyes!" This shows that atheists from a hundred years ago are not much different then they are now. Matter of fact the only reason you believe in tvs is because you were born in the 20th century.
Then you obviously don't pray properly. I get very tangible results in my prayer all the time. Studies don't matter. A lot of people think that prayer is kneeling down with your hands clasped quietly, not saying anything and thinking about it instead. Prayer WILL get no results if you don't know how to do it properly.
Oh and I agree with you, many people are wrong. The earth is not 6000-8000 years old. The bible has enough scriptural evidence starting with the first chapter of genesis. I don't know how old it is, but it's older then that.
I don't take absolute faith in everything about science, especially when it comes to theory. Science has been wrong many times, and has had to correct itself over the years. Evolution is a joke, so out of a impossible chance we just started to exist, we turned into apes, i've watched them on TV, and it'd sure be embarrassing coming from that. So then we just evolved into a human, a body that's absolutely staggering and way beyond anything else on this planet, that's a pretty big jump in evolution, and a pretty low chance of such a thing occurring.
I'll humor you.
Humans have been around for a long time, why haven't we changed over these generations of existing? Why are we still the same? Why are there still many creatures on the planet that remain unchanged after many generations? Why are apes still around?
We've existed for many generations after the ape, but I still see no difference. The other apes are the same, were the same, it's like natural selection left and went home. We humans are producing at a rapid rate, we have a high population, we exist alongside countless species of animals. How many generations is it gonna take until we evolve? Don't talk about the different races, the differences are minimal, and none of the differences are beneficial. Remember, natural selection is a process of improvement.
The only 'evidence' which is the most important of all, is again more speculation. Common descent is the basis of evolution, without that, you have nothing. I'm not doubting that a lot of animals look alike, share the same genes, same kind of characteristics etc. which is obvious, fascinating, and has been proven. I call it intelligent design by God, you call it evolution.
Evolution suggests that life just happened to happen, there is no purpose, there is nothing beyond the grave. It suggests that there is a force called natural selection and that genes and chromosomes take on a mind of their own and emit frequencies in a population and that causes intelligent adaptation, which also causes mutation and improvement of the species. It also tells us that genes and chromosomes know where we are, and what were doing. This explains why we see a diversity in animals, plants, and other things.
Which begs another question. I thought natural selection was supposed to improve the species, not make it worse. Animals are superior to humans in many ways. Apes for example, are WAY stronger then we are, and if a man got in a physical fight with one, I think we'd know who'd win. Why would natural selection choose to demote us. That goes against evolution itself. So I think you better reconsider us coming from apes. Actually, good luck finding an animal that isn't superior to us in some way. Except for maybe some insects, so maybe we evolved from an insect then, that sounds even more stupid.
Oh and nevermind explaining the origins of the universe or planets for that matter. That isn't even biology. The only explanation for that is just it just happened a big bang or crunch whatever you want to call it, happened and it just so happened to form a universe with intelligent design. Something out of nothingness just gave birth to life right? That goes against science itself, everything involving biology and life itself all weighs on something else being able to give it life in the first place. Procreation requires another living being for it to happen. Plants require seeds to exist which come from living plants (or plants that originally lived).
There are so many holes in what you guys believe in. You even believe in powerful unseen forces just like I do. The bible and God makes way more sense then evolution does. You only discredit it because you don't want to change. You don't want to do anything to do with God. Now your only making excuses so you can continue to be ignorant. Ignorance is indeed bliss.
Oh and I agree with you, many people are wrong. The earth is not 6000-8000 years old. The bible has enough scriptural evidence starting with the first chapter of genesis. I don't know how old it is, but it's older then that.
I don't take absolute faith in everything about science, especially when it comes to theory. Science has been wrong many times, and has had to correct itself over the years. Evolution is a joke, so out of a impossible chance we just started to exist, we turned into apes, i've watched them on TV, and it'd sure be embarrassing coming from that. So then we just evolved into a human, a body that's absolutely staggering and way beyond anything else on this planet, that's a pretty big jump in evolution, and a pretty low chance of such a thing occurring.
I'll humor you.
Humans have been around for a long time, why haven't we changed over these generations of existing? Why are we still the same? Why are there still many creatures on the planet that remain unchanged after many generations? Why are apes still around?
We've existed for many generations after the ape, but I still see no difference. The other apes are the same, were the same, it's like natural selection left and went home. We humans are producing at a rapid rate, we have a high population, we exist alongside countless species of animals. How many generations is it gonna take until we evolve? Don't talk about the different races, the differences are minimal, and none of the differences are beneficial. Remember, natural selection is a process of improvement.
The only 'evidence' which is the most important of all, is again more speculation. Common descent is the basis of evolution, without that, you have nothing. I'm not doubting that a lot of animals look alike, share the same genes, same kind of characteristics etc. which is obvious, fascinating, and has been proven. I call it intelligent design by God, you call it evolution.
Evolution suggests that life just happened to happen, there is no purpose, there is nothing beyond the grave. It suggests that there is a force called natural selection and that genes and chromosomes take on a mind of their own and emit frequencies in a population and that causes intelligent adaptation, which also causes mutation and improvement of the species. It also tells us that genes and chromosomes know where we are, and what were doing. This explains why we see a diversity in animals, plants, and other things.
Which begs another question. I thought natural selection was supposed to improve the species, not make it worse. Animals are superior to humans in many ways. Apes for example, are WAY stronger then we are, and if a man got in a physical fight with one, I think we'd know who'd win. Why would natural selection choose to demote us. That goes against evolution itself. So I think you better reconsider us coming from apes. Actually, good luck finding an animal that isn't superior to us in some way. Except for maybe some insects, so maybe we evolved from an insect then, that sounds even more stupid.
Oh and nevermind explaining the origins of the universe or planets for that matter. That isn't even biology. The only explanation for that is just it just happened a big bang or crunch whatever you want to call it, happened and it just so happened to form a universe with intelligent design. Something out of nothingness just gave birth to life right? That goes against science itself, everything involving biology and life itself all weighs on something else being able to give it life in the first place. Procreation requires another living being for it to happen. Plants require seeds to exist which come from living plants (or plants that originally lived).
There are so many holes in what you guys believe in. You even believe in powerful unseen forces just like I do. The bible and God makes way more sense then evolution does. You only discredit it because you don't want to change. You don't want to do anything to do with God. Now your only making excuses so you can continue to be ignorant. Ignorance is indeed bliss.
Oh then, I guess us Methodists were never told the right way. Please, explain!
Science has never been wrong. Scientists have been wrong.
Wrong point number one! We didn't come from modern apes, we just have a common ancestor with them.
There is no "just", it occurred over million of years. You've already shown you're lacking in basic knowledge of Evoltuion, so I'd suggest you visit http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
One question at a time
1. Firstly, we haven't been around for that long of a time. Evolution takes million of years, it's not something that changes from one generation to another. Secondly, we have changed, just look at asians, caucasians, africans, or europeans.
2. About creatures that remain unchanged: see above. Plus, evolution doesn't say there is a constant change.
3. See far above, and just above, as well as the link.
No, natural selection simply states that more favorable traits will become more common. Those traits are based on the Environment, if a species doesn't need to change, it won't.
Evolution has nothing to do with a God, stop straw manning every argument. Evolution has nothing to do with why life existed, it just did.
It's not a force. If tomorrow massive birds appeared out of nowhere and started eating everyone above 5 feet, you can pretty much assume everyone under that height will breed more then those being eaten. Which would mean that in a few hundred years, there will probably be no human above five feet. Is that a force? No, that's just genetics.
I'd like it if you didn't lie so much. Nothing you said there is, in any way, part of the theory of evolution, believed by any scientist worth his degree, nor is taught anywhere. That is something you or someone else completely made up.
Demote? We have language, though, massive brains. We weren't demoted, we're better then them due to our intelligence. Yeah, a fist fight between a gorilla and a human would end with the gorilla winning. But what kind of a ****ing ****** would fist fight with a gorilla? We'd get a pointy stick and stab it, or just shoot it. The fact that we can do that proves we are higher on the evolution ladder then they are.Cubemario said:
Not true at all, you really need to do some research before you postCubemario said:
I'm not strong with astrology or anything dealing with the universe, so I'm going to wait for Alt-f4 or someone like that to refute that, but I'm going to repeat the "research what you say" thing.Cubemario said:
Not trueCubemario said:
Not true, evidence is what makes sense out of this world.Cubemario said:
I love how you feel you have the right to belittle everyone you disagrees with you. That you can claim we don't want to change, yet not bother to look at your own post and realize that it is exactly what you are doing. All that you are doing is being ignorant about other views and claiming that we know you're right, but are all evil and secret and don't want to accept it. Not true at all, it's the same as if I claimed all Christians know their prophet is false, but want to continue believing it becuase they actually worship Satan.Cubemario said:
Besdies, and perhaps you missed it, but I do want to change. I made a "convert Eor" thread a little while back asking for someone to help me gain a religion, because I preferred it over being agnostic. If I wanted nothing to do with God, I wouldn't have prayed to regain faith. I'm a walking exclamation point to the failure stamp placed over your post.
Ignorance is indeed bliss.[/QUOTE]
Just because you wish to continue to display your ignorance doesn't mean you should come here to do it.
Evolution has been proven in a myriad of different sciences from archeology to genetics. There is proof in the fossil records that shows a progression from a common ancestry to humans. There is also genetic evidence that we share different levels of commonality dependant on the species being compared. This is all proof of evolution. This data was theorized by evolutionary theory and then later proven.
Evolution does not mean abiogenesis, you stupid twit. Abiogenesis is the theory that deals with the beginning of life on earth and is not mutually inclusive of evolutionary theory.
And your entire "we turned into apes" prattle only goes to show how littler you actually know of this subject. Ape like ancestors does not mean modern apes.
See answer one.
Change over time means a lot of time, not fifteen minutes, moron.
Apes came from the same ancestor as us, they are an evolved form of a similar species.
Look it up and stop being stupid. I'm losing my patience with all of you.
Natural selection merely posits that the best for the environment will survive to bear offspring. Now read that again and go to your room and write it one hundred times. You are a dodo, your post are manure. You talk and talk and say nothing.
Where are you getting this from? What magical proof do you have that any of this is true? None, I'm sure.
Abiogenesis is a completely different issue that theorizes about the creation of life on this planet from a primordial ooze.
Do you get it yet? How dumb are you? When will you understand that there is a difference between how the universe was created and the beginning of life on this planet. Just because your asinine book says that everything was created at the same time, doesn't mean its how it actually happened. First the universe was created. Then much later the Earth formed. Later on life formed on the surface. And after a few billions years, we come out of it. This takes a lot of time and a multitude of theories that focus on each and every step to put it together.
Oh really? So you have a sure fire way for prayer to work? Then pray for us and if we become xtians, then I'll concede.
Please repeat this mantra, "I will know what I'm talking about before posting. I will not be an idiot who spouts nonsense. I will stop being stupid." Thank you.
Evolution has been proven in a myriad of different sciences from archeology to genetics. There is proof in the fossil records that shows a progression from a common ancestry to humans. There is also genetic evidence that we share different levels of commonality dependant on the species being compared. This is all proof of evolution. This data was theorized by evolutionary theory and then later proven.
Evolution does not mean abiogenesis, you stupid twit. Abiogenesis is the theory that deals with the beginning of life on earth and is not mutually inclusive of evolutionary theory.
And your entire "we turned into apes" prattle only goes to show how littler you actually know of this subject. Ape like ancestors does not mean modern apes.
We have changed over these generations, the changes are small.
See answer one.
Change over time means a lot of time, not fifteen minutes, moron.
Apes came from the same ancestor as us, they are an evolved form of a similar species.
Look it up and stop being stupid. I'm losing my patience with all of you.
NO! NO! You mud sucking, blood drinking, sister screwing moron! Natural selection is not improvement. Refer to the Mantra! Do not post about what you know nothing about.
Natural selection merely posits that the best for the environment will survive to bear offspring. Now read that again and go to your room and write it one hundred times. You are a dodo, your post are manure. You talk and talk and say nothing.
I call it provable theories based on hard data that have been used to predict outcomes of multiple experiments in a manifold of scientific disciplines. They've used evolutionary theory to predict all kinds of things, including genetics. Your intelligent design predicts nothing, it is not a theory, it advances nothing, it teaches nothing, nothing can be learned from it. Only a fool would blindly acknowledge intelligent design given the abundant and diverse evidence for evolutionary theory.
Evolution doesn't care about abiogenesis! Why are you so stupid? Don't they teach you science in school any more? Do you not understand the basis of the scientific method? Does that fact that almost the entire world believes in evolution and only in a few places even consider intelligent design mean nothing to you? There is no 'force' called natural selection, it is a process. There is no magical communication on a made up frequency that gives life any idea what it is doing beyond the scope of its little universe.
Where are you getting this from? What magical proof do you have that any of this is true? None, I'm sure.
Go back and write "Natural selection merely posits that the best for the environment will survive to bear offspring" a hundred more times. Natural selection is not improvement. Different species adapt to their environment as necessary. Humans don't need to be super strong or be able to breath water or fly in the air. When these other species evolved the best animals that survived happened to have those abilities. We weren't demoted to have less strength, we never needed it in the first place.
Oh great, now the grand moron is confusing big bang theory with abiogenesis. My life is now complete, I've seen everything. [/sarcasm] The bug bang theory discusses how the universe came to be from the beginning to its current state. Big bang theory has been used to find background radiation.
Abiogenesis is a completely different issue that theorizes about the creation of life on this planet from a primordial ooze.
Do you get it yet? How dumb are you? When will you understand that there is a difference between how the universe was created and the beginning of life on this planet. Just because your asinine book says that everything was created at the same time, doesn't mean its how it actually happened. First the universe was created. Then much later the Earth formed. Later on life formed on the surface. And after a few billions years, we come out of it. This takes a lot of time and a multitude of theories that focus on each and every step to put it together.
No, the bible is a pile of crap written by scared goat herders to explain what they didn't understand. The history of human accomplishment has constantly been held back by your stupid book. Millions were killed in the name of your god. Even today it brings death, pain and destruction. Oh, lets not immunize girls against certain forms of cervical cancer because it would be immoral! Yes, lets listen to the ramblings of ancient goat fornicators. Surely they knew better than we do. After all, they had the "truth™."
You first need to understand there are different kinds of prayer, and that you can only pray in your own authority. You can't pray against someones own will for example. Prayer also requires faith and no doubting. Your actions must agree with what you are praying about as well. You must use words to pray with as well, not thinking. Prayer should be addressed to the correct person of the godhead as well, it's not required, but it shows respect. For example, when you ask for things, you ask the father for them in the name of jesus. Then there is the prayer of agreement, the prayer of salvation, and some others. All of which have certain requirements as well.
It's not that God doesn't want to answer a person's prayer, (as long as it's doable) there are just certain guidelines and laws that are in place that you need to obey in order for prayer to work. Not much different then anything else in this world.
Now i'm a big enough man to admit I got some things wrong. Though you misunderstood me, I know that evolution is a process over time and it's not rapid, I guess I just used the wrong wording. Some of my points still stand though.
You can't prove how life originally began, you can't prove how the universe got created, you can't prove how the planets and stars were formed.
You can't prove how people experience miracles like healing. Yeah, I know you'll argue blue in the face about this too. You just need to go to the right places and you'll see this all the time.
You can't prove how the bible was written over the course of several thousand years from different people and cultures and different lives, but all comes together as one book, and the teachings and messages to all agree with each other.
You can't prove how such texts managed to preserve themselves and remain hidden in several caves and locations for thousands of years. Not only that, but to end up being discovered and placed into one book.
You can't prove why the bible has so much influence on the world.
Fun fact: The founding fathers of north america based the laws of the land upon biblical values.
Also, I highly doubt that anything I will say will convince anyone otherwise. I can't vouch for how accurate this is either, but I think it's worth taking a look at, it sounds very scientific too.
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/descent.html#intro
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/timeresponse.html ( is probably more up your alley)
Other pages on the site may interest you as well.
Either way, I don't think I have anything else to contribute to this topic. Though, try and keep the insults to yourself huh? I'm frankly surprised that this topic hasn't been locked and you haven't been banned.
EDIT: As for where I get my information from, it's wikipedia. I think some of the information is off then, at least according to you.
It's not that God doesn't want to answer a person's prayer, (as long as it's doable) there are just certain guidelines and laws that are in place that you need to obey in order for prayer to work. Not much different then anything else in this world.
Now i'm a big enough man to admit I got some things wrong. Though you misunderstood me, I know that evolution is a process over time and it's not rapid, I guess I just
used the wrong wording. Some of my points still stand though. You can't prove how life originally began, you can't prove how the universe got created, you can't prove how the planets and stars were formed.
You can't prove how people experience miracles like healing. Yeah, I know you'll argue blue in the face about this too. You just need to go to the right places and you'll see this all the time.
You can't prove how the bible was written over the course of several thousand years from different people and cultures and different lives, but all comes together as one book, and the teachings and messages to all agree with each other.
You can't prove how such texts managed to preserve themselves and remain hidden in several caves and locations for thousands of years. Not only that, but to end up being discovered and placed into one book.
You can't prove why the bible has so much influence on the world.
Fun fact: The founding fathers of north america based the laws of the land upon biblical values.
Also, I highly doubt that anything I will say will convince anyone otherwise. I can't vouch for how accurate this is either, but I think it's worth taking a look at, it sounds very scientific too.
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/descent.html#intro
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/timeresponse.html ( is probably more up your alley)
Other pages on the site may interest you as well.
Either way, I don't think I have anything else to contribute to this topic. Though, try and keep the insults to yourself huh? I'm frankly surprised that this topic hasn't been locked and you haven't been banned.
EDIT: As for where I get my information from, it's wikipedia. I think some of the information is off then, at least according to you.
Scuse me for jumpin in here....I'm new, but I'm passionate about this subject.
Okay. How does one pray properly?? Personally I would imagine every single person on this planet has a different way of communing with what may or may not be a god/goddess/spiritual entity/giant duck in space/Satan or etc etc etc.... Were all different people even down to highly specific and organized religeons...we all have a diff way of getting in touch with our spirituality......
Are you saying one must pray in a specific ceremonial way to pray the right way? If so thats highly ******, and anyone with any sense of decency and freedom AND spiritual awareness will call you zealous ignorant throwback to roman catholic subversivness(Not saying you are, I don't know you, I'm just trying add a new dimension to this discussion.)
I'm extremely spiritual and devout, I worship myself as the greatest creation on this planet, my body is my temple and my brain is my god...is someone gonna tell me thats wrong? I don't pray in any conventional manner...in fact my method of prayer would probably have someone scared of being related to a poor ape, spit fire and brimstone and condemn this self worshipping heathen to hell....But by GOD!!!!(HAHA) I get great results and I'm happy and content...probably a lot more then any of these god fearing alms paying, bourgeois, contemporary Christians( Not trying to single this group out, but they tend to spout fire and brimstone a lot, I know its a stereo type...but we have stereo types for a reason.)
The point is....YOU PRAY AND COMMUNE WITH WHATEVER YOU WANT IN WHATEVER MANNER YOU WANT IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS USUALLY DEPRESSING WORLD THAT GOD MADE FOR US(LOL) AS BRIGHT AND MEANINGFUL AS POSSIBLE.
Scriptural evidence........how about common sense?
You don't take absolute faith in science??? Thats good, because science is simply humans first attempt at modern religeon.
You may not agree with me(or all these thousands of other dumb scientists who make it their life to study the universe and the things in it, instead of thinking of ways to prove the scientists wrong. control the population and make money using threats of otherworldy ****ation...like oh, I dunno, the church and all these anti evolution heroes.(think about it...if were descended from apes, the churches customers go away...also of note, the mormon church and the roman catholic church are practically the richest organizations on the planet...
they also own a fruckton of land and people..don't believe me then do you're research kiddo) I'm not a scientist, but I have a logical deductive brain that can process enough logic and info to think for myself.......funny I know...it doesn't make any sense at all.
Oh!!! you've seen apes on TV and you would be embarased to come from that? Well, to any logical persons understanding, it would seem that because you're embarased, you don't like the idea...that says a lot.
Well look, maybe what happened is that a group of apes was cut off from a specific food source for a while and had to adapt in a manner more fitting with the enviroment. MAYBE WE DEVELOPED BIG BRAINS TO SURVIVE ATTACKS FROM SABERTOOTH MOUNTAIN CATS AND GIANT ELEPHANTS AND RAZORBEAKED DEATHBIRDS WHICH WERE VERY COMMON AROUND THE TIME THE APES WERE BEGINNING TO BECOME A PROMINENT SPECIES!!! WE HAD TO EAT ALL THOSE FREAKING PREHISTORIC MONSTERS MAN! We were hunter gathereres, the way our society was adapting and changing is perfectly consistant with our brain growth. Did you know fresh red meat has a lot creatine and nootropics in it which causes brain growth? did you know were also eating a lot of seafood which has a lot omega fatties in it, which causes brain growth. Its all there man, it makes a lot more sense then some omnipresent godlike figure in the sky(who's probably male) that made some guy in a beautiful garden and pulled a broad out of his ribs. At least it does to me??? lol, maybe thats the difference...LOGIC??
We have been. If you disagree with me, then do your own research.
Apes are around because they are a successful species of primate that live in a jungle away from most illogical stupid people that would capture or kill them because they are embarased to be related to them....distantly.
You see no difference? don't mind me asking, how old are you? 1400 years old? you would probably have to be older then that to see a difference.
Another thing. Western society is essentially static, why evolve physically when it can be mentally and spiritually? Do you live side by side with animals in a forest or jungle? oh, didn't think so.
And the differences are not minimal between difference races...why do negroids have dark skin? could it be the sun from native africa? why are eskimos short and fat? maybe they live in antartica where its cold. Hmm, gonna go a step further here, Japanese people tend to be short and delicate because they didn't traditionally eat red meat, they lived on rice and fish...(hey aren't japanese ppl really smart as a stereo type? HEY THEY EAT LOTSA FISH).
Ok so neither theories have any weight or evidence, yet you're right....wow. Ok.
Ok, whats gods purpose...oh yeah, we get live with him in heaven when were dead. RIGHT ON.
Oh, but wait...I don't believe in god....guess I'm screwed.
Wow. Ok, we only control the planet because were the most adaptable tool using species on the planet....Screw ape strength I make a spear...better yet a gun....oh wait, I don't have to do anything....were so smart and successful that I don't need to do...Instead I have to buy my food.....hmm, well a spear is useless, I guess I better use MY HIGHLY EVOLVED BRAIN TO THINK OF WAYS TO MAKE MONEY AND SURVIVE IN A WORLD WHERE APE STRENGTH IS NOT USEFUL. Natural selection did not demote anyone.....Except...oh nevermind.
Whats you're freaking point? you're questioning the semantics of creation to explain a highly specified idea of creation....WOW.
Well...you have a very human right to believe what you want...But last time I checked, christians have always beleived in intelligent design...for centuries.........Yes, ignorance is indeed bliss.
Brings to mind the Golden apple of eden, were you to be offered wisdom and intelligence by the snake you would say no right? Because its a snake...and ignorance really is bliss
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Nothing feels better than coming back from a jog.
Just because you wish to continue to display your ignorance doesn't mean you should come here to do it.
Go home (your probably there) and rethink your life. We are all ignorant and if you aren't man enough to admit it then you need to be schooled all over again.
Oh really? So you have a sure fire way for prayer to work? Then pray for us and if we become xtians, then I'll concede.
He means that you need to practice prayer. It takes practice to create great wording. There are times where prayer is answered but I don't look forward to one, probably because of the way I was raised. I also don't like to test the Lord.
Please repeat this mantra, "I will know what I'm talking about before posting. I will not be an idiot who spouts nonsense. I will stop being stupid." Thank you.
There is nothing stupid in his post. The least you can do is correct him with a source.
Evolution has been proven in a myriad of different sciences from archeology to genetics. There is proof in the fossil records that shows a progression from a common ancestry to humans. There is also genetic evidence that we share different levels of commonality dependant on the species being compared. This is all proof of evolution. This data was theorized by evolutionary theory and then later proven.
How is that proof? I am similar to a monkey but I will never be able to cross breed with it to create a super human.
Apes came from the same ancestor as us, they are an evolved form of a similar species.
Look it up and stop being stupid. I'm losing my patience with all of you.
I never knew Abram had sex with gorillas.
We have all looked it up. Patience is a virtue and it looks like your philosophy hasn't taught you that.
Do not post about what you know nothing about.
No one here knows anything about Iraq but I see people talking about it anyway. Go tell ALL of them to stop posting because they know nothing about their subject.
I call it provable theories based on hard data that have been used to predict outcomes of multiple experiments in a manifold of scientific disciplines. They've used evolutionary theory to predict all kinds of things, including genetics. Your intelligent design predicts nothing, it is not a theory, it advances nothing, it teaches nothing, nothing can be learned from it. Only a fool would blindly acknowledge intelligent design given the abundant and diverse evidence for evolutionary theory.
A long time ago it was proven with "cold hard data" that fire and wood was an element. They used theory predict that fire was alive. Where did that theory go? I guess people aren't always right....
No, the bible is a pile of crap written by scared goat herders to explain what they didn't understand. The history of human accomplishment has constantly been held back by your stupid book. Millions were killed in the name of your god. Even today it brings death, pain and destruction. Oh, lets not immunize girls against certain forms of cervical cancer because it would be immoral! Yes, lets listen to the ramblings of ancient goat fornicators. Surely they knew better than we do. After all, they had the "truth™."
Saying that an action is in the name of God does not mean that it is for God's will. I guess you've never heard of antinomianism because your doing a great job at judging what you have not seen. A priest cannot simply speak for all of us and say that we all agree on immoral immunization. A fornicator is a hypocrite, and the Bible clearly states that hypocrites will not inhabit the kingdom of God.
I will type ,word for word, a portion of a page from a Bible's introduction to back up my statement: (ignore my mistakes in spelling if there are any)
"Something essential is lacking to Christian maturity when a person or a community ceases to read the Bible.
"The Bible and God's people were born a the same time and have grown together. God's people needs the Bible, but the Bible has to be interpreted by the people of God. Our vision of God, of man and of the world stems from the Bible, but it is this vision that helps us understand the sacred book.
So the Bible is not a book just to be disseminated and left to the personal whims of anyone.
No one can make himself the owner of the Bible and its message. The believing community who listens to the Word of God is part of the Catholic, that is, Universal Church which has been instructed by the Spirit and enlightened by the great witnesses of the faith during the last twenty centuries. This is why introductions and commentaries accompany the biblical text. They help us get a more global vision of the Good News of God and its impact in a world which God continues to re-create and save among and with us."
Just because you wish to continue to display your ignorance doesn't mean you should come here to do it.
Go home (your probably there) and rethink your life. We are all ignorant and if you aren't man enough to admit it then you need to be schooled all over again.
Oh really? So you have a sure fire way for prayer to work? Then pray for us and if we become xtians, then I'll concede.
He means that you need to practice prayer. It takes practice to create great wording. There are times where prayer is answered but I don't look forward to one, probably because of the way I was raised. I also don't like to test the Lord.
Please repeat this mantra, "I will know what I'm talking about before posting. I will not be an idiot who spouts nonsense. I will stop being stupid." Thank you.
There is nothing stupid in his post. The least you can do is correct him with a source.
Evolution has been proven in a myriad of different sciences from archeology to genetics. There is proof in the fossil records that shows a progression from a common ancestry to humans. There is also genetic evidence that we share different levels of commonality dependant on the species being compared. This is all proof of evolution. This data was theorized by evolutionary theory and then later proven.
How is that proof? I am similar to a monkey but I will never be able to cross breed with it to create a super human.
Apes came from the same ancestor as us, they are an evolved form of a similar species.
Look it up and stop being stupid. I'm losing my patience with all of you.
I never knew Abram had sex with gorillas.
We have all looked it up. Patience is a virtue and it looks like your philosophy hasn't taught you that.
Do not post about what you know nothing about.
No one here knows anything about Iraq but I see people talking about it anyway. Go tell ALL of them to stop posting because they know nothing about their subject.
I call it provable theories based on hard data that have been used to predict outcomes of multiple experiments in a manifold of scientific disciplines. They've used evolutionary theory to predict all kinds of things, including genetics. Your intelligent design predicts nothing, it is not a theory, it advances nothing, it teaches nothing, nothing can be learned from it. Only a fool would blindly acknowledge intelligent design given the abundant and diverse evidence for evolutionary theory.
A long time ago it was proven with "cold hard data" that fire and wood was an element. They used theory predict that fire was alive. Where did that theory go? I guess people aren't always right....
No, the bible is a pile of crap written by scared goat herders to explain what they didn't understand. The history of human accomplishment has constantly been held back by your stupid book. Millions were killed in the name of your god. Even today it brings death, pain and destruction. Oh, lets not immunize girls against certain forms of cervical cancer because it would be immoral! Yes, lets listen to the ramblings of ancient goat fornicators. Surely they knew better than we do. After all, they had the "truth™."
Saying that an action is in the name of God does not mean that it is for God's will. I guess you've never heard of antinomianism because your doing a great job at judging what you have not seen. A priest cannot simply speak for all of us and say that we all agree on immoral immunization. A fornicator is a hypocrite, and the Bible clearly states that hypocrites will not inhabit the kingdom of God.
I will type ,word for word, a portion of a page from a Bible's introduction to back up my statement: (ignore my mistakes in spelling if there are any)
"Something essential is lacking to Christian maturity when a person or a community ceases to read the Bible.
"The Bible and God's people were born a the same time and have grown together. God's people needs the Bible, but the Bible has to be interpreted by the people of God. Our vision of God, of man and of the world stems from the Bible, but it is this vision that helps us understand the sacred book.
So the Bible is not a book just to be disseminated and left to the personal whims of anyone.
No one can make himself the owner of the Bible and its message. The believing community who listens to the Word of God is part of the Catholic, that is, Universal Church which has been instructed by the Spirit and enlightened by the great witnesses of the faith during the last twenty centuries. This is why introductions and commentaries accompany the biblical text. They help us get a more global vision of the Good News of God and its impact in a world which God continues to re-create and save among and with us."
Hmmm funny... I could use the same excuse. Christianity has never been immoral. Christians have been immoral.
OMFG YOU FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!11111111!!!!!1111 DON'T YOU KNOW THAT I WAS BORN A CRAB THEN GREW UP TO BECOME A MAN?!?!?!?! HMM?!!?! DON'T QUESTION MY INTELLIGENCE EVER AGAIN!!!111111!!!!!
And your "points" that still stand.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
No, I can't prove it, but I can experiment and theorize how it began and observe data that can tell me how it happened and how it might happen on other planets. Wowie, isn't science great?
You can't prove people where miraculously healed. I'd bet that it always has a mundane and natural explanation behind it.
That, I can prove. The history of how the bible was compiled and written actually does have a lot of history behind it. Starting from the original authors in the beginning of the second century (nowhere near the time of the supposed christ), to the Synod of Hippo and Jerome and the other compilers to the translation of the King James version and the newer ones today. Nice try mother shucker! The history of your book is well documented, fool.
Again, the history of the excrement covered sheets of paper that you call the bible has a long and well known history. Not only do you not know anything about science, but you know nothing of the history of your own religion!
You mean other than the fact that it actively proselytizing? It's the same reason Islam or buddhism has such a following as today, but that would prove your religion wrong, wouldn't it?
You can't even get this right. Our laws are based on Greco-Roman law and Saxon common law. It is the basis of our bicameral legislature (the house and senate are taken directly from the Romans). The bible describes a rulership by kings and supreme law from moses. Our government is based on principals that diametrically oppose the bible, starting with the preamble of our constitution and codified in the First Amendment!
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
Miharu
Smash Hero
I still don't get how you can use the Bible to essentially prove its own credibility.
That's ********.
If there's any other proof of Christianity, or God, for that matter, feel free to bring it to our attention. By proof I mean facts and data, not speculation about how evolution couldn't exist due to the sheer "complexity" of today's living organisms.
That's ********.
If there's any other proof of Christianity, or God, for that matter, feel free to bring it to our attention. By proof I mean facts and data, not speculation about how evolution couldn't exist due to the sheer "complexity" of today's living organisms.
Aesir
Smash Master
Every Case is different, it can't be cured only treated, don't agree? ask a RT they'll tell you I'm right. >_>
Thats a pretty bold statement, can you offer evidence? Burden of proof is on you.
So basically you have an insane theory? Lol alright, unless you can actually offer evidence you're just throwing **** around.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Well actually I do have some level of insanity in me.
I can't really throw a source form the internet, like I have done before, because I will get flamed and people will say, "Its propaganda!" "People like you should die!"
I have a very pessimistic view on the World Health Organization seeing asthmatics use nebulizers(sp?) 4 times a day. There have been people to show better methods of treating the disease but the WHO shuns them. Why? There would be no business.
I hope you know that evolution is a speculation.
I can't really throw a source form the internet, like I have done before, because I will get flamed and people will say, "Its propaganda!" "People like you should die!"
I have a very pessimistic view on the World Health Organization seeing asthmatics use nebulizers(sp?) 4 times a day. There have been people to show better methods of treating the disease but the WHO shuns them. Why? There would be no business.
No one has. We use it to show some points. Funny thing is, I am not a crab anymore. I somehow ended up a man..... I miss eating algae and mollusks....
I hope you know that evolution is a speculation.
Aesir
Smash Master
Because it's probably false and incorrect...>_> Just a suggestion, I would say the FDA could really give two ****s whats safe but other then that about there being a conspiricy going on? Lol you realize how completely unlikely that would be right?
Every doctor in the world would have to be on that, (figuratively)
There are other forms of treatments out there. The Illness can be treated to the point where it is controlled, this is a basic fact about Asthma.
Its called unethical business practice...most doctors at any given time have several drugs which are considered "experimental" and are used indiscriminately on (mostly minorities) the lower class. These doctors get massive bonuses for pushing these drugs which are still experimental and which may have unknown side effects
A while back there was a pill for pregnant women that eased nausea, problem was, it was essentially a derivitive of opium(heroin) caused massive birth defects...thing is, Pfiezer( manufactures pharmaceutical medications and has an annual product marketing budget of $3 billion, which was the fourth-largest in the U.S. as of 2003) claimed it was researched...it wasn't.
Zoloft sales at 3.15 billion annually....they're just evil drug pushers man, no better then the ones on the street corner pushing disgusting crap on the poor and downtrodden...except they do it with the blessing of our fine country...(thanks lobbyists) And they have well educated doctors in white which tell the ignorant masses that its perfectly okay to take this drug.
Everybody can be bought.
Sorry..But its well documented and well researched by many notable individuals that big pharmacy is a rotten evil industry.
The word conspiracy does not do it justice.
The name of the game is money. If anyone can't see that, then they need to get some serious reality checks...Money rules both religion, politics and medicine...this is captalism at its worst....in america.
Miharu
Smash Hero
Again, just more baseless statements with no proof.
Haven't you anything else to say?
Aesir
Smash Master
Doctors push them but HMO, and issuance companies will usually deny it. Even if it's proven to be beneficial.
Usually an ethical doctor will not push something thats more harmful, or the FDA will be on their *** so fast.
What are you? some anti-capitalist?
Jesus, I would ask you to provide evidence to back up your story, but that would be wasting my time.
Unethical business practices, are really only found with HMO's and Insurance agencies when they refuse to pay for treatment through loop holes. Or drug companies when they feel like charing more for meds.
You can't buy out everyone.
See Above, you can't.
I'm not disagreeing with that, however to say that every drug on the market especially for asthma when its well documented that many treatment drugs for asthma will treat and control many forms of asthma.
Money = Root of all evil, is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
If anything is the root of all evil it would be lack of money, or greed.
Money is just an object.
Ok define ethical...nearly all of them crapped on the hippocratic oath as soon as they started working for kaiser(employs a lot of doctors, which takes care of a lot of poor people)
What makes you think the FDA gives a crap...their pockets are getting lined too.
Yeah. What are you? some capitalist? lol
Says who? You?
It can buy out enough people in places of power to facilitate the decay of this fine country from the inside out. Apparently thats okay with you.
Well I looked above and I saw the same thing I just read. I don't get it. Maybe circular logic isn't my thing. *shrug*
I don't entirely understand this...not that it doesn't make sense, sorry.
Well what causes greed? or a lack of money? Whoa holy crap batman it must have something to do with money!
You think the saying "Money is the root of all evil" is a stupid saying? Well it says something about you're character. No offense Mr capitalist.
Aesir
Smash Master
I'm really getting tired of being nice...>_> now I have ******** conspiricy theorists barging in here. =\
What I'm arguing is this eleged idea they sell bad drugs with the intent to keep the public sick.
Which isn't the case, thats what I'm arguing here if you're arguing for the same case that JigglyWiggly is arguing then alright.
Many of those corrupt have been voted out. I never said it was okay with me, I said they can't buy everyone and they haven't bought everyone.
Which isn't the case, unless I misunderstood jiggly, and his stance.
Many of the drugs for adult asthma have been proven scientifically beneficial, and inpractice have been able to control the illness.
I'm sure most know what cystic fibrosis is, (sp?) usually children with the illness don't live very long. my friend has had its since birth, he's 21 I think maybe 22 now. It's rare for someone with the illness to be this old and actually be an active person
Now under jigglyes theory, if he was correct drug companies make drugs so we remain sick and what not and make the symptoms worse.
If that were the case he would be dead by now...>_>
If you remove money you still have greed.
Hence money =/= root of all evil.
Look I'm not arguing about insurances agences or drug companies being dirty, it's a well known fact they are I hear my mom talking about it all the time.
What I'm arguing is this eleged idea they sell bad drugs with the intent to keep the public sick.
Which isn't the case, thats what I'm arguing here if you're arguing for the same case that JigglyWiggly is arguing then alright.
I'm guilty of bad examples sometimes.
Acroding to many political compasses I'm a socialist. >_>
You realize you're completely derailing this topic right?
Many of those corrupt have been voted out. I never said it was okay with me, I said they can't buy everyone and they haven't bought everyone.
Might be because you've been spoon fed propaganda just a thought.
as I said earlier I'm arguing the stances that in the case for asthma treatment, the drugs make it worse.
Which isn't the case, unless I misunderstood jiggly, and his stance.
Many of the drugs for adult asthma have been proven scientifically beneficial, and inpractice have been able to control the illness.
I'm sure most know what cystic fibrosis is, (sp?) usually children with the illness don't live very long. my friend has had its since birth, he's 21 I think maybe 22 now. It's rare for someone with the illness to be this old and actually be an active person
Now under jigglyes theory, if he was correct drug companies make drugs so we remain sick and what not and make the symptoms worse.
If that were the case he would be dead by now...>_>
No actually it isn't money, it's just like saying religion is bad.
If you remove money you still have greed.
Hence money =/= root of all evil.
Socialist, or kinda socialist, get it right.
Glad to know where I stand in you're opinion.(******** conspiracy theorist?) Thanks for bringing up the civility.
And why wouldn't they want low income members of society sick? They'll keep coming back with more money to buy more drugs...You miss the point man. Its the same idea as fast food, its a consumable, we as a society consume a lot, its what we do as responsible capitalists.
Is fast food healthy? nope(it has so much MSG in it, its practically a crime) but it tastes good and is relatively inexspensive so we come back to consume more...with more money in our hands. Mcdonalds and Pfiezer are the same thing in principal. **** the low income members of society of their money and funnel it to the rich elite.
Gee I wonder why drugs are so much less exspensive in other countries....hm
I know its a long shot in comparison, but its the same idea in pricipal and execution....good business.
Its not hard to rationalize these things...You look at who would benefit the most in the long run...the ignorant suckers who are just gonna die anyway or the people running the show?
Ah, the beauty of irresponsible capitalism
FUN "TRUE" FACT=IF WE STOPPED FUNDING THE WAR IN IRAQ FOR ONE YEAR WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO START COLONIZING MARS!! (I'm a ******** conspiracy theorist, remember?)
I'm not gonna touch on racism in the medical industry any more then I have too, but its a factor as well.
Fidel Castro is a fine man. I respect any political system if the ones in charge aren't selfish pigs. Corruption is corruption is corruption.
I apologize, I'm simply very passionate about this.
Of course not, but many more of the corrupt are being voted in all the time, its not a problem that can simply be "voted" away. That is a pathetic compromise. Really.
Sure I have...EVERYONE HAS. You're ignorance(sorry. best word for it) is tragic. You would have to live in a freaking cave to not be spoon fed propaganda from a young age.
Now its up to you, to figure out which brand of propaganda you subscribe too.
I tend to believe that the rich elite and over educated(those who abuse their education in order to take advantage of the poor and ignorant) professionals have set themselves up in a posistion where they have the best advantage. I believe this, because the rich elite and educated professionals of this country are the ones creating the system. Its simply a matter of seeing who's getting the best of this poor experiment of a country we have here.
Dead people can't pay for medicine....duh.
Yes, you are right. I concede you're point. But money is still way to overvalued in this society.
Aesir
Smash Master
Cool no one replied lol, I saw your post this morning but was late for class.
I'm not going to quote you because I don't really feel I have to, I'm more a less correcting myself.
First off this derailed discussion obviously started with jigglywiggly's faulty logic. For one, the science and the research around drugs isn't faulted or fabricated, it's the FDA and Doctors that push the not so good drugs.
I agree with the Doctor and FDA bit, they do push drugs within their own interests.
Thats where I stand on that issue.
I'm sure Jiggly was trying to imply listening to a scientists is bad, which is just a practice in ignorance.
I'm not going to quote you because I don't really feel I have to, I'm more a less correcting myself.
First off this derailed discussion obviously started with jigglywiggly's faulty logic. For one, the science and the research around drugs isn't faulted or fabricated, it's the FDA and Doctors that push the not so good drugs.
I agree with the Doctor and FDA bit, they do push drugs within their own interests.
Thats where I stand on that issue.
I'm sure Jiggly was trying to imply listening to a scientists is bad, which is just a practice in ignorance.
Zombie Lucille Ball
Smash Master
lol if only everyone in the world thought like you. $$$$$$ makes the world go round and has killed more people, directly or indirectly, than any religion ever has.
Aesir
Smash Master
If there was no money we would still have those problems.
Food for thought, Man was far more I don't know the exact word, but far more unified? I wanna say. Before we started to form civilization.
Civilization brought; War, Inequalities between individuals, and other things lol. I know this probably sounds nuts, but I'm in no way opposed to civilization it's necessary, unless everyone would rather go back to being hunter gatherer clans.
Food for thought, Man was far more I don't know the exact word, but far more unified? I wanna say. Before we started to form civilization.
Civilization brought; War, Inequalities between individuals, and other things lol. I know this probably sounds nuts, but I'm in no way opposed to civilization it's necessary, unless everyone would rather go back to being hunter gatherer clans.
outofdashdwz
Smash Lord
I'm not here to flame you, but you should understand that the theory of evolution is not organisms altering themselves into something new or two species mating. It's that random, spontaneous, sporadic changes in the DNA replication process are highly likely, and do occur quite often, and that these genotypical changes can potentially result in a change in the phenotype of the offspring that enable the next generation to be better suited for their environment. This is a known as a mutation. If that is so, this new group of mutated organisms will fare better than others in their generation due to these mutations, and will produce more offspring for the next generation, and so on. Many times though, this will not be the case, which is why evolution is such a long process. It's entire driving force is a stroke of luck on a nucleotide base being misread.
Evolution has very little to do with cross-species impregnation (which is what you're trying to bring up), but as long as we're on that topic, many large cats can interbreed, as can some equine species. Many species in the panthera family (e.g. lions, tigers, leopards, etc) are able to give birth to offspring (albeit infertile and often very prone to disease) when cross-bred.
Have a nice day.
To those discussing medical care and the money as the root of all evil, create a new thread to discuss that. Stop spamming up this topic.
Zombie Lucille Ball
Smash Master
And I was gonna reply to Aesir again.....
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Well turns out Aesir was right. Asthma isn't curable. That doesn't change my view on medicine though because there are 'natural remedies' out there. OR you could just gradually reduce the medicine intake until you will no longer need it.
See guys? I can admit when I am wrong.
Many species in the panthera family (e.g. lions, tigers, leopards, etc) are able to give birth to offspring (albeit infertile and often very prone to disease) when cross-bred.
Those are of a different variety in the same species. I posted about that before, hope it makes sense to you.
@ Kage/Hydro Kirby: Well you can start by showing some proof yourself because I haven't seen anything from you. Go ahead and use wikipedia, most people trust it.
See guys? I can admit when I am wrong.
Many species in the panthera family (e.g. lions, tigers, leopards, etc) are able to give birth to offspring (albeit infertile and often very prone to disease) when cross-bred.
Those are of a different variety in the same species. I posted about that before, hope it makes sense to you.
@ Kage/Hydro Kirby: Well you can start by showing some proof yourself because I haven't seen anything from you. Go ahead and use wikipedia, most people trust it.
outofdashdwz
Smash Lord
So you are insinuating that lions and tigers are the same species? Panthera leo and Panthera tigris? By the very definition of binomial nomenclature, they are different species from the name alone -______- If you need more argument they are separate species, it is explained through a phenomenon known as allopatric isolation. Just because they are able to cross breed in captivity does not signify they will do so freely without any form of stimulus. And I had always assumed people were able to distinguish between tigers and lions by common sense alone.
Zombie Lucille Ball
Smash Master
Ligers are the best
Aesir
Smash Master
Yeah luckily this isn't the debate thread forums. Because if it was it would be funny lol.
I know if it was a debate forum I would actually cite evidence rather then paraphrasing.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Your not alone.
Its sad that people actually believe they are always right.
Its sad that people actually believe they are always right.
Enjoy the end days of these style of topics. Want a tip, get ready to start applying for the Debate Hall.
Peeze
Smash Master
Are you back as Proom Mod hiemie?
THAT'S A FIRM MAYBE.
Very firm.
Very firm.
Aesir
Smash Master
^ **** it hiemie just when I thought I could go another year without applying
Miharu
Smash Hero
I'm not making baseless claims such as the following:
Pretty sure that Wikipedia is a decent enough source. You'd know this from clicking on the sites that it references in its articles.