Regional Crews at Apex 2: Atlantic North

[Punishment Divine]

Because you're from NJ

Cable wins a tournament one day (Beating people not too unusual for him to beat mind you), and then loses to Penta the next tournament. Not to mention Cable rarely ever enters singles. Cable knows matchups better? I see no proof of this, because he never enters anything. And when he does, he beats MKs and loses to Penta.

There is proof, however, of Will beating ICs and Falcos consistently in tournament, and him being an all around solid player who does EXTREMELY well OoS, and who keeps up with top players. Last time he played Elliot, he took him to game 5 ffs >.>

You say you're sick of people saying Cable is only good at the MK matchup, I say I'm REALLY sick of people underrating Will, especially when Cable isn't putting out ANY results, at all.

Will also works extremely well under pressure, no idea where you got that from. The one time pressure got to him it was in a position where many top players would have made a mistake, and it was against Tearbear at Columbus, who he took to last stock last hit game 3 btw.

And if you read this Cable, I still love ya =D Such a loveable guy lmfao

 

[Max Ketchum]

My two cents

Cable is better than Will. Very slightly. There are just certain things you can tell when you play both of them...I have extensive experience against both and I assure you that Cable edges him out.

I love both of them to death. They're two of my favorite people in the community and they know it. I'm completely unbiased in this statement.

 

[Punishment Divine]

My two cents

Cable is better than Will. Very slightly. There are just certain things you can tell when you play both of them...I have extensive experience against both and I assure you that Cable edges him out.

I love both of them to death. They're two of my favorite people in the community and they know it. I'm completely unbiased in this statement.

Can you assert that Cable is better than Will at anything but the MK matchup?

Will simply produces RESULTS. The only reason you could call him inconsistent is because he enters **** more. If Will entered a tournament every 4 months, won it by beating people he usually beats, then didn't play for another 4 months, yeah that's pretty consistent.

Cable is really good and I think they're both kind of equal, although I personally think that Will edges Cable out slightly, but Will's style is SUITED for crews. Take a ICs/Falco/any other matchup he ***** to Yoshi's, ****, and use up all of DKs amazing gimmicks lol. Cable even calls Will "Master of the Up-B" because of how crazy Will gets with that ****.

But NJ seems to be running this crew battle, so I don't expect any of you to believe me. Oh well.

 

[Zucco]

Put Will in over Cable, if you're even considering Cable lol

Will absolutely ***** ICs, Falco, and Lucario and is good at the MK and Snake matchups. IMO Cable is only better vs. MK but if we're going for a novelty factor, Will's style is more than capable of using all the novelty things DK has.

I beat Will with Lucario(close match though). Im bad.

I havent beat Cable (though im really sure I can at this point)


NJ rather use Cable.

NY rather use Will.

eh whatever lol.

 

[ksizl4life]

Because you're from NJ

Cable wins a tournament one day (Beating people not too unusual for him to beat mind you), and then loses to Penta the next tournament. Not to mention Cable rarely ever enters singles. Cable knows matchups better? I see no proof of this, because he never enters anything. And when he does, he beats MKs and loses to Penta.

There is proof, however, of Will beating ICs and Falcos consistently in tournament, and him being an all around solid player who does EXTREMELY well OoS, and who keeps up with top players. Last time he played Elliot, he took him to game 5 ffs >.>

You say you're sick of people saying Cable is only good at the MK matchup, I say I'm REALLY sick of people underrating Will, especially when Cable isn't putting out ANY results, at all.

Will also works extremely well under pressure, no idea where you got that from. The one time pressure got to him it was in a position where many top players would have made a mistake, and it was against Tearbear at Columbus, who he took to last stock last hit game 3 btw.

And if you read this Cable, I still love ya =D Such a loveable guy lmfao

No, it's obvious who's better bias aside. Cable is the most modest guy ever and HE even told me thinks he's better and gave reasons.

No one is underrating Will. He's good. We're just saying Cable is better. Cable doesn't go to nationals to lose to yoshis, ROBs, and SAMUS. He actually, you know, made it out of first round of pools at pound 4. He actually got 25th of 200 that day.

Cable lost to penta that psi day he lost to bloodcross, two players not on his level. He NEVER johns but told me felt sick and then he got pulled in by school and saturdays and a job. There is where his inactivity came. The kotc tourney he won, he beat yes, keitaro, inui, orion. Will lost to Inui and Inui sucks vs dk. that says something.

He beat me when i was experimenting with falco rofl i shouldve went mk. in this region you need to be able to survive vs characters like snake, mk, falco, ics, diddy. MK being the biggest one which cable beats all of them. Nairo, shadow, orion, inui, anti, hes added them all to a list.

you think cable doesnt have national accomplishments? beating hunger, junebug, hat, meep, etc

know your place.

we're not gonna take a risk adding will to a crew battle so can lose to samus or some ****. at least cable doesnt lose to trash characters. cables gonna prove hes way better than most people in this region, including will, at apex.

will ***** lucario? which lucarios has he *****?

if he hasnt beaten my, zuccos, trelas, stauffys, lee martins, junebugs lucarios, you're on crack sir.

 

[ANTi_]

I say the line-up should be.

Atomsk
ChuDat
Ksizzle
Dabuz
Shadow

But im just a dumb pro so dont mind me

EDIT - Ksizzle wtf Cable never beat me lol.

EDIT 2 - Well he beat me back in January 09, but he beat my Olimar in that set lol. not my MK.

 

[Zucco]

Dabuz is going now? he mad that fast cash?(aka 30$) if so hes a good choice since hes broken.

Chu isnt going.

 

[iRJi]

Because you're from NJ

Cable wins a tournament one day (Beating people not too unusual for him to beat mind you), and then loses to Penta the next tournament. Not to mention Cable rarely ever enters singles. Cable knows matchups better? I see no proof of this, because he never enters anything. And when he does, he beats MKs and loses to Penta.

There is proof, however, of Will beating ICs and Falcos consistently in tournament, and him being an all around solid player who does EXTREMELY well OoS, and who keeps up with top players. Last time he played Elliot, he took him to game 5 ffs >.>

You say you're sick of people saying Cable is only good at the MK matchup, I say I'm REALLY sick of people underrating Will, especially when Cable isn't putting out ANY results, at all.

Will also works extremely well under pressure, no idea where you got that from. The one time pressure got to him it was in a position where many top players would have made a mistake, and it was against Tearbear at Columbus, who he took to last stock last hit game 3 btw.

And if you read this Cable, I still love ya =D Such a loveable guy lmfao

For one, I would like to say that I do not under rate will as a player AT ALL. I know him. I know how good he is as a player, but I know Cable as well and to say in comparison Cable has the upper hand.

Will takes Ally to game 5, but Cable has gone toe to toe with him as well. Not to mention Cable has also taken M2k to his final stocks in his final matches as well. Also, When has cable ever lost to an IC's player or a falco player for that matter as well? Cable beat Meep in tournament, and as far as I knw his record against Falcos is clean.

Will works ok under pressure, but I have seen him fight a lot of MK's and just from that alone he gets discouraged. I have also witnessed a few others from poly brawl where he would get ancy and lose his cool. I have only seen cable crack twice out of the times I have seen him play. Cable does not take anything to heart, he rather accepts the facts and moves on about it. He always keeps a clear mind, and never lets anything get to him.

 

[wWw Dazwa]

Fatal isn't going. Family reunion.

 

[ksizl4life]

Can you assert that Cable is better than Will at anything but the MK matchup?

Will simply produces RESULTS. The only reason you could call him inconsistent is because he enters **** more. If Will entered a tournament every 4 months, won it by beating people he usually beats, then didn't play for another 4 months, yeah that's pretty consistent.

Cable is really good and I think they're both kind of equal, although I personally think that Will edges Cable out slightly, but Will's style is SUITED for crews. Take a ICs/Falco/any other matchup he ***** to Yoshi's, ****, and use up all of DKs amazing gimmicks lol. Cable even calls Will "Master of the Up-B" because of how crazy Will gets with that ****.

But NJ seems to be running this crew battle, so I don't expect any of you to believe me. Oh well.

ur full of crap man. your matchup standards are ridiculous. at one point, you werent trolling when you said almost every mu in the game is even with dk, including characters like falco, iceys, etc.

the mk matchup is a big one and will better move to another region if he wants success without better knowledge in that MU.

will produces more results than cable becuz..cables been to like 3 tourneys this year. and he doesnt get rusty still being able to beat the best people from this region singlehandedly.

the thing is will wont be beating people every 4 months. he wont stand out as cable does. i guarantee you that.

you're on the biggest pile of crack if you think hes even gonna be considered for the crew battle. maybe if he didnt lose to yoshi, samus, rob, and kirby at tourneys, id take what i said back.

you act like hes so godlike vs iceys and falco but when did cable have problems with those matchups? yeah will is awesome vs falco. thats why i beat him with falco on the week i picked him up, and i suck. cables beaten meep. cable trains with my falco/iceys all the time. he knows whats up. im not even meatriding at this point. i dont think you are either though. i think you're doing something far crazier. the facts are in front of you but the word "bias" is blocking those words.

 

[Punishment Divine]

No, it's not obvious. At all lol. Maybe if I played Cable it would be obvious, but I haven't played him yet. From what I can tell, though, Will edges Cable out.

Will lost to one of the top 3 Yoshi's never having played the matchup before, and the matchup is actually close to even. No shame in that. He lost to ROB, yes, but ROB is also a tough matchup for DK and one even Will admits he needs work in. Samus, there was no excuse there other than the fact that he played extremely impatient. Regardless of all this, is he going to be playing these characters in crews? Hell no, so why even bring it up? lol. He's going to be playing the Falcos, ICs, etc. that he *****.

Will is also something like 1-2 with Inui. Clash of styles? Who knows. Will has beaten Nairo twice this season and also does well against MK, most of the time. He needs to work on the matchup, but who says we have to send him in against a MK? And if we do, Will certainly knows how to **** MK on Yoshis.

I never denied that Cable has some accomplishments. What I'm arguing is his consistency and ability to outright nullify some characters, and make full use of DKs gimmicks.

I do know my place, and that's the place of someone who's really sick of people **** riding Cable to but never giving Will credit that he deserves =/

Regardless, I give up. Neither of them are probably making this list anyways. And Kelvin I was kidding when I said DK is close to even with everybody lol not my fault your sarcasm detector was off

EDIT: Oh wait he only beat Nairo once, my bad

 

[iRJi]

No, it's not obvious. At all lol. Maybe if I played Cable it would be obvious, but I haven't played him yet. From what I can tell, though, Will edges Cable out.

Will lost to one of the top 3 Yoshi's never having played the matchup before, and the matchup is actually close to even. No shame in that. He lost to ROB, yes, but ROB is also a tough matchup for DK and one even Will admits he needs work in. Samus, there was no excuse there other than the fact that he played extremely impatient. Regardless of all this, is he going to be playing these characters in crews? Hell no, so why even bring it up? lol. He's going to be playing the Falcos, ICs, etc. that he *****.

Will is also something like 1-2 with Inui. Clash of styles? Who knows. Will has beaten Nairo twice this season and also does well against MK, most of the time. He needs to work on the matchup, but who says we have to send him in against a MK? And if we do, Will certainly knows how to **** MK on Yoshis.

I never denied that Cable has some accomplishments. What I'm arguing is his consistency and ability to outright nullify some characters, and make full use of DKs gimmicks.

I do know my place, and that's the place of someone who's really sick of people **** riding Cable to but never giving Will credit that he deserves =/

Regardless, I give up. Neither of them are probably making this list anyways. And Kelvin I was kidding when I said DK is close to even with everybody lol not my fault your sarcasm detector was off

That, I would like to call false. He panics when it comes to that MU. That is something we don't need at all.

 

[ksizl4life]

No, it's not obvious. At all lol. Maybe if I played Cable it would be obvious, but I haven't played him yet. From what I can tell, though, Will edges Cable out.

Will lost to one of the top 3 Yoshi's never having played the matchup before, and the matchup is actually close to even. No shame in that. He lost to ROB, yes, but ROB is also a tough matchup for DK and one even Will admits he needs work in. Samus, there was no excuse there other than the fact that he played extremely impatient. Regardless of all this, is he going to be playing these characters in crews? Hell no, so why even bring it up? lol. He's going to be playing the Falcos, ICs, etc. that he *****.

Will is also something like 1-2 with Inui. Clash of styles? Who knows. Will has beaten Nairo twice this season and also does well against MK, most of the time. He needs to work on the matchup, but who says we have to send him in against a MK? And if we do, Will certainly knows how to **** MK on Yoshis.

I never denied that Cable has some accomplishments. What I'm arguing is his consistency and ability to outright nullify some characters, and make full use of DKs gimmicks.

I do know my place, and that's the place of someone who's really sick of people **** riding Cable to but never giving Will credit that he deserves =/

Regardless, I give up. Neither of them are probably making this list anyways. And Kelvin I was kidding when I said DK is close to even with everybody lol not my fault your sarcasm detector was off

If he's losing to HORRIBLE CHARACTERS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO NOTHING TO WIN INSTEAD OF USING THE HUMAN BRAIN, i wouldnt trust that to defend our coast. cable has the entire roster to play against with swr and with a variety of his own characters.

nairo has only lost ONCE to will in tourney singles

EVER

stop posting lies.

oh cool will knows how to **** mk on yoshis

HEY GUYS, I KNOW HOW TO **** MK ON FD WITH LUCARIO

I KNOW HOW TO OLIMAR ON RAINBOW CRUISE

I KNOW HOW TO **** ICEYS ON BRINSTAR

thats what u just sounded like.

no thats crap. will GETS respect but it makes you sick when cable gets even a tiny ounce of respect. you want will to have way too much of the credit.

 

[Punishment Divine]

If he's losing to HORRIBLE CHARACTERS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO NOTHING TO WIN INSTEAD OF USING THE HUMAN BRAIN, i wouldnt trust that to defend our coast. cable has the entire roster to play against with swr and with a variety of his own characters.

nairo has only lost ONCE to will in tourney singles

EVER

stop posting lies.

oh cool will knows how to **** mk on yoshis

HEY GUYS, I KNOW HOW TO **** MK ON FD WITH LUCARIO

I KNOW HOW TO OLIMAR ON RAINBOW CRUISE

I KNOW HOW TO **** ICEYS ON BRINSTAR

thats what u just sounded like.

no thats crap. will GETS respect but it makes you sick when cable gets even a tiny ounce of respect. you want will to have way too much of the credit.

WTF Kelvin your posts are making me laugh now. When did I ever say that? I love Cable and think he's good. W/e I'm stopping it now, I fixed what I said about Nairo I realized shortly after I was wrong.

I don't even care, I've realized it's pointless to argue with NJ anyways lol

one thing i request though is that you don't put words in my mouth and call me a liar lol those are two of the things I never, ever stand for

 

[ksizl4life]

WTF Kelvin your posts are making me laugh now. When did I ever say that? I love Cable and think he's good. W/e I'm stopping it now, I fixed what I said about Nairo I realized shortly after I was wrong.

I don't even care, I've realized it's pointless to argue with NJ anyways lol

one thing i request though is that you don't put words in my mouth and call me a liar lol those are two of the things I never, ever stand for

i didnt see your post edit. you said he beat nairo twice. nairo was behind me. i asked him. he said will has beaten him in a 1 dollar mm a year ago and once in tourney.

 

[Punishment Divine]

i didnt see your post edit. you said he beat nairo twice. nairo was behind me. i asked him. he said will has beaten him in a 1 dollar mm a year ago and once in tourney.

ya i realized shortly after, my bad. anyways no hard feelings from any of this i hope, hug next time i see you? XP

 

[Max Ketchum]

Just to clear something up:

I absolutely 100% agree with ksizzle that Cable is the more skilled player and that PD is underrating the hell out of him, possibly credit-hogging for Will.

PD is right that Will produces better results. However, that...may be due to the fact that Will enters about 15 times more tournaments than him. It's natural for him to have more wins.

 

[Punishment Divine]

Just to clear something up:

I absolutely 100% agree with ksizzle that Cable is the more skilled player and that PD is underrating the hell out of him, possibly credit-hogging for Will.

PD is right that Will produces better results. However, that...may be due to the fact that Will enters about 15 times more tournaments than him. It's natural for him to have more wins.

wtf how is me saying they're about equal credit-hogging are you blind max

you guys need to stop putting words in my mouth, it's gettin ridiculous

 

[Max Ketchum]

I said "possibly", because you appear tight over people giving Cable credit and feel as if Will doesn't get enough and deserves more. I see plenty of people giving Will props. :/

 

[CT Chia]

we should just probably forget the whole DK debate

 

[Dr.Brawl]

we should just probably forget the whole DK debate

We should move onto the ZSS debate Snakeee and Dazwa since both have been doing so well, and if chudat isn't going we could use ling-ling

 

[Max Ketchum]

We already have two potential Dededes, and only a Kirby of Chu's caliber would be useful.

 

[ch33s3]

If Meep is attending, use him. He's far and away the best ICs right now, and he will instant win anything that's not MK.

 

[CT Chia]

Dedede
Dedede
Dedede

 

[Inui]

Debate over. If one of them gets used, it's going to be Cable. He's better. In the end, the decision is mine.

Alex Strife said it might be 5v5, which is incredibly lame and lacks hype, so let's try to convince him to make it 10v10.

 

[CT Chia]

8v8 wouldnt be bad (and 2 alts)

I'd also prefer Inui you wouldn't take a totolaterian approach to things like saying "Going to be Cable, In the end the decision is mine"
Sure you're captain and all but we can still discuss more on the day and seeing things like how they do in singles, if they're on their game that day, etc

 

[Inui]

Agreed. 5v5 is just way too small to have any hype.

 

[CT Chia]

I mean like, 5v5 can have hype, but it really holds back diversity and a lot of potential skill and strategery

 

[Max Ketchum]

5v5 is the only fair thing to do for the other regions. They're not going to be repping very hard in number.

 

[Inui]

Sure they will. Look at the map. "WC" gets to include a bunch of other states to fill their roster.

 

[Max Ketchum]

EC vs. WC is 10v10. Only regionals are 5v5.

 

[CT Chia]

thats for EC vs WC, not regional crews

lol @ Genesis for EC needed 10 ppl and we resorted to having Jman on our team

 

[Inui]

Nope. "WC" in the regional one still gets to include plenty of states they normally would not. 10v10 is easily done for all regions.

"WC" includes the states that border CA, OR, and WA for regionals.

 

[Max Ketchum]

And...that still does not include enough people.

 

[Orion*]

That, I would like to call false. He panics when it comes to that MU. That is something we don't need at all.

this. his lost to cheeses mk. not being rude, but watch the vid. cheese found like one strat, did the same thing over and over and will never adapted and got *****. (not an insult to cheese, its just what happened.)

cable doesnt let that shiz happen LOL. i honestly feel cable is in another class as a Player. wills dk is the best that ive played in terms of actually knowing the character, yes. i have no doubt about that in my mind, however in this game cables brain just outshines him so bad that it doesnt even matter.

 

[ksizl4life]

idk will seemed pretty easy in teams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z5NJ2zC-D8&feature=related

plus, i can only be successful with cable in teams which tells you about how good i am in that event, while cable has kept placing in the money for the past year in that event with anti and nairo

me and him havent lost a tourney, hes a genius and i think he understands dk better.

knowing all of dk's gimmicks that people with a brain wont fall for < utilizing his tools with precision and speed vs the best players.

edit: read orions post wrong. saw terms as teams.

but besides that, i dont get how will knows his character or understands dk better. to be successful with dk in this environment, you need to be agile and very fast. cable has that. will ook garbz and the other dk's are very sluggish.

cable is incredibly smart and knows dk's tools and gimmicks. thats what u need to be successful with any character lol. thats what i do with lucario

 

[Inui]

And...that still does not include enough people.

Sure it does.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6070/crews.png

 

[M@v]

From what I know of from PA:

-Vex
-Chibo
-Me
-Fury
-Smurf

and those are the ones I'm sure of.

Im assuming KT is going too.
Squall I dunno.

Xzax can't make it. Nasty isnt looking good either


Just an IMO as well: I feel we should wait on final decisions until after apex singles. Some people may be doing especially well, while others might be having an off-weekend.

 

[ksizl4life]

From what I know of from PA:

-Vex
-Chibo
-Me
-Fury
-Smurf

and those are the ones I'm sure of.

Im assuming KT is going too.
Squall I dunno.

Xzax can't make it. Nasty isnt looking good either


Just an IMO as well: I feel we should wait on final decisions until after apex singles. Some people may be doing especially well, while others might be having an off-weekend.

Crew battles are opening the tournament on friday yo.

 

[Allied]

Good read.