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Regional Crews at Apex 2: Atlantic North

Inui

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Note: ADHD can't attend. Mew2King is playing for the Midwest. Ally is playing for International.

We can choose ten players and two alternates in case people from the main ten can't play, don't want to participate in that particular battle, etc.

I need to know who out of our best players is definitely going.
 

ksizl4life

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Atomsk, Inui, Vinnie, Ninjalink, Doom, Keitaro are registered

Fatal, Shadow, Zucco, Snakeee, Malcolm, Anti, Jash and others aren't registered yet but will soon.

Ksizzle, Nairo, Cable register tomorrow.

idk about PA and Md/Va
 

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Atomsk Ninja Link, Dabuz, fatal, shadow, cable, Junebug, neo, keitario, Squall, vex, Candy, Meep, PS, Chudat, Anti, Jash

I haven't checked if these people have registered
 

TheTantalus

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NEO isn't going, I dunno on Chu

June will definitely be there. He should pretty much be guaranteed a spot, #1 in md/va
 

Zucco

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md/va is slackin hard. yall need to come.

Chu is md/va's best player regardless of rankings imo.
 

Inui

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I don't care about rankings, and MD/VA is full of slackers and isn't up to par with NY/NJ or Fatal anymore tbqh. Maybe we'll use Junebug. We don't know who exactly is going or not for the most part.

Dabuz and ADHD are definitely not attending. Vex is likely the only PA player I'd want to use. I don't think I'm good enough for this.
 

ksizl4life

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NEO isn't going, I dunno on Chu

June will definitely be there. He should pretty much be guaranteed a spot, #1 in md/va
for the record, rankings depict of how well a player did last season

chu's been wrecking currently and thats who deserves a guaranteed spot.

Lucario is awesome in crews but if they decide to add me in, i dont think an extras needed.
 

Omni

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Chu and PS are our best OoS placers. You'll also want Meep. All three of these guys can be used as a hard counter.

Anti and Atomsk.

Those are mandatory 5 IMO.
 

Inui

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Inui you sure about Dabuz? I asked him at GT, and he said the only thing keeping him away was being $30 short of being able to go
I was told he couldn't go for sure. Hopefully he can go, since I want to see him outplace PS by a huge amount. :D

Chu and PS are our best OoS placers. You'll also want Meep. All three of these guys can be used as a hard counter.

Anti and Atomsk.

Those are mandatory 5 IMO.
MD/VA has always had issues OOS and issues stopping OOS from winning their money. That's not me trash talking, that's me stating the truth since after Azen and Chillin quit.

There is no way I will use more MD/VA than NJ/NY. NJ/NY, right now, is simply much stronger.
 

Omni

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Uh, your point? You'd be a fool to not include Chu. PS consistently ***** OOS (pound 4, players bowl, nearly forcing Ally to get 7th in our region). And I don't think Meep is a question. Best IC's = necessary asset for removing multiple stocks while keeping his own.

Think strategically in terms of the actual skill level of the player AND their character. Chu/PS ***** 70% of the population through sheer novelty alone. Couple that with their mastery of their character and you have hard counters that can go in and wreck heavy on the draw.
 

Inui

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ChuDat will be in. I'm not sure about the others. PS also gets ***** OOS often and Meep is very inconsistent overall. ChuDat is the only truly consistent dominant player from MD/VA.
 

Omni

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You're missing my point.

A crew battle isn't a tournament. It's a strategic, match-up based brawl. Players that have specific strong or weak matchups with characters or players can be implemented in a way that effectively capitalizes on those strengths.

Certain players will simply be more effective in crews. A Lucario that can force a win with 1 stock remaining gives him a 2 stock loss boost. IC's is the best character at removing multiple stocks while retaining their own. Our best MK can go in after these hard counters filter out MKs least favorable matches and vice versa. Players who can use 2 characters REALLY well can avoid being hard countered.

It's not as simple as x player does better for crew battles.
 

Inui

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I know how crew battles work, dude... >_>;

I'm just uncomfortable using inconsistent players. PS can randomly go OOS and get destroyed and Meep lost 3v2 ICs vs Dedede on a neutral. Um... I think me being a little reluctant to fill the roster with more MD/VA than NY/NJ is extremely understandable. ~_~
 

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Who did PS lose to when he went OoS?
For starters, he can't even beat me and I'm garbage. Izumi double threestocked him not too long ago. He's always placed poorly in NY/NJ. PS is amazing against MD/VA and Snake but not so hot outside of that. If we're going to use an Olimar, it should be Dabuz, who I view as vastly superior to PS and recent results prove it. Dabuz beat me, beat Snakeee after he became gdlk again, beat Anti, almost beat Atomsk, etc.

It's very unlikely PS will be used.

ChuDat will most likely be used.

Atomsk, Anti, and ksizzle are definitely in.

If I can talk Alex Strife into 10v10, more MD/VA can be used.
 

KageMurphy

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I like Meep and PS but..... I have no faith in putting Meep and PS in this crew battle after their performance against PA in the crew battle, they got *****, end of story. There are several better picks and we need to use them without question, IC n Oli suffer from getting gimp *****.
 

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I'm fairly certain at this point PS would be the most viable of meep/dabuz/ps

But that may be irrelevant, why are we not discussing OUR BOI JUNEBUG DA DUNETHUG
 

Zucco

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I'm fairly certain at this point PS would be the most viable of meep/dabuz/ps

But that may be irrelevant, why are we not discussing OUR BOI JUNEBUG DA DUNETHUG
because everyone has a pocket jiggz.

lol jk Junebug's mah boy.
 

meepxzero

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lol wow you guys are judging my icies after playing for fox for a month straight :laugh:? I probably wont go to this and i dunt think most of any good md/va is going cuz ive been askin rides from the top players who said there not attending.

If i was going put me against any snakes because i found out tricks to make it heavily favor ice climbers now.

Icies in crews are kinda dumb cuz theres no timer and people still run away for 8 minutes or more tbh.

Hate how people are judging me because ive been playin fox for a month. I still can wreck 90% of md/va when i feel like trying.
 

Pyronic_Star

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For starters, he can't even beat me and I'm garbage. Izumi double threestocked him not too long ago. He's always placed poorly in NY/NJ. PS is amazing against MD/VA and Snake but not so hot outside of that. If we're going to use an Olimar, it should be Dabuz, who I view as vastly superior to PS and recent results prove it. Dabuz beat me, beat Snakeee after he became gdlk again, beat Anti, almost beat Atomsk, etc.

It's very unlikely PS will be used.

ChuDat will most likely be used.

Atomsk, Anti, and ksizzle are definitely in.

If I can talk Alex Strife into 10v10, more MD/VA can be used.
you only know part of the story of me vs izumi but W/e

last time I was in NJ I got 9th.
took adhd and ally to game 3 and got 9th for losing to them
oos before that I got 3rd only losing to m2k and going to game 3 with him when we played in winners
and the last time I played you was at pound where I got 7th

but yea... I get ***** oos :)
 

Inui

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Actually, PS is horrible against Md/Va.
Why does he do best there?

hey inui, if i do come to apex (like minty said, i'm only 30$ short ATM) can i get a spot for the crew battle?
It's likely that we'd want to use you. You are incredibly good and seem to be solid with Olimar in every match-up. You didn't have issues with MK, ICs, and Olimar's other bad match-ups the last time I saw you play.

and the last time I played you was at pound where I got 7th
And you got owned. >_>;

I think you're good, but Olimar is too frail for crews overall imo, and you're not as consistent as Dabuz.
 

Max Ketchum

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Meant to post this MANY hours ago, but Internet down here is shaky.

Vex is phenomenal in crews. Chu, Boss, Cable, NinjaLink, Jash, Snakeee, Dazwa, and Kool-Aid are viable as gimmick options or counterpicks. Both have been performing extremely well recently. I agree that if an Olimar is an absolute necessity, Dabuz is the way to go over Logic. Meep would be nice to have as a spare. Midwest ***** ICs, though.

Anti and Atomsk are givens. Nairo has been on fire recently and I doubt people from out of region will have time to adapt to his crazy style within the short amount of time a crew battle grants. Fatal should be another pretty obvious pick for Snake variety and his consistent performance. Shadow is slacking hard lately, but I wouldn't doubt that with the advent of Apex, he'll want to get better and practice consistently again. ksizzle is the same way, and definitely would benefit us as Lucario.

Main crew: Anti, Atomsk, Fatal, Nairo/ksizzle/Shadow/Chu, Nairo/ksizzle/Shadow/Chu

Two subs: Nairo/ksizzle/Shadow/Chu, Cable/Jash/Snakeee/Dazwa/Dabuz/NinjaLink/Vex/Kool-Aid/Boss


I'd like to use the people with the most experience under pressure and the widest variety of matchup knowledge. MK, Snake, Diddy, ICs, Wario, Falco, and Lucario are our main threats. Anti has a weakness to ICs and isn't 100% consistent in the ditto, but ***** the **** out of the others, possibly barring Lucario. Atomsk has a Falco weakness, but some ICs to back him up. Fatal is ridiculous at Snake dittos, fine against MK, and great vs. Falco. I'm iffy on him vs. Diddy and Lucario, because his region has none. The two IC players in his region aren't top players, and Lain ***** Snake. Not sure what to think there. Kool-Aid plays Wario, so I suppose he has some practice in that matchup.

Now is where it gets rocky. Despite his skill and incredible streak of winning money lately, Nairo has a clear weakness to Wario and ICs right now (and possibly Falco?). Obviously, that can change within the next week and a half, but it's still risky. He also isn't used to the pressure of a national, as he is still young, and it might be a bad choice to put him in. Regardless, he's incredible at dittos, ***** Snake, and god help any Diddy or Lucario that finds himself offstage against the little *******.

Shadow and ksizzle both have plenty of experience at large events and are fine under pressure. Although people have their doubts about them lately due to poor performance in singles or simply lack of entry, I trust their talent and drive enough to put them on as main roster contenders. Shadow always brings some new crazy offstage stuff to the table that out of region players will likely be unfamiliar with. He's good in dittos and great against Diddy, Lucario, and Wario. Not sure about ICs, and he's inconsistent against Snake and Falco. Regardless, Shadow is still a great player and when used right, can get a lot of stocks for us.

ksizzle is ridiculous against Snake, as we all know. Good in dittos, great against Lucario, and from what I know, fine with the Falco and non-ADHD Diddy matchups. I know he used to have some IC trouble, and I don't know if he's gotten over his Wario problem. Either way, he'd add another strong and smart MK to the lineup, as well as a Lucario/Falco option.

Chu's been doing great in his region lately. He's very smart and quick to adapt, as well as having a ****ton of experience under pressure. Nobody really knows how to fight Kirby, and his matchup experience strongly dwarfs basically any opponent's. Only worry I have is that Chu is inconsistent (Kirby sucking is rough too).

Cable is incredible and nobody knows how to fight DK. Dazwa and Snakeee are incredible ZSS players with the same advantages. NinjaLink can counterpick anyone or just be generally amazing with his Diddy. Jash's TL is unlike anything else, and would be great for West Coast. Dabuz is far and away the best Olimar, and can provide some novelty. Vex is fantastic when he actually cares (see: picks Dedede), and he has enough regional pride to want to defend the region. Kool-Aid's Pit and Boss's Luigi are some of the best mid tier shock picks out there.
 

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Only thing so "Crazy" about Nairos playstyle is that he knows how to use the second part of MK's up B extremely well.
 

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Put Will in over Cable, if you're even considering Cable lol

Will absolutely ***** ICs, Falco, and Lucario and is good at the MK and Snake matchups. IMO Cable is only better vs. MK but if we're going for a novelty factor, Will's style is more than capable of using all the novelty things DK has.

Will also has the option of taking someone to Yoshi's and...yeah we know what happens there =/
 

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Put Will in over Cable, if you're even considering Cable lol

Will absolutely ***** ICs, Falco, and Lucario and is good at the MK and Snake matchups. IMO Cable is only better vs. MK but if we're going for a novelty factor, Will's style is more than capable of using all the novelty things DK has.

Will also has the option of taking someone to Yoshi's and...yeah we know what happens there =/
Why? Cable is more consistent then Will is, not to mention Cable knows MU's better. Honestly, when people say that cable is only better at the MK matchup it irks me. Does anyone see the people he beat outside of MKs? And to be fair, every time cable enters singles he always places in the top 7. Personally, if you are going to pick against the 2, Cable would be the prime choice.

Edit: Cable works under pressure better then will too, imo. This isn;t a **** talk vs will, cause I <3 him, I just really feel that Cable is the better choice.
 

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Why? Cable is more consistent then Will is, not to mention Cable knows MU's better. Honestly, when people say that cable is only better at the MK matchup it irks me. Does anyone see the people he beat outside of MKs? And to be fair, every time cable enters singles he always places in the top 7. Personally, if you are going to pick against the 2, Cable would be the prime choice.

Edit: Cable works under pressure better then will too, imo. This isn;t a **** talk vs will, cause I <3 him, I just really feel that Cable is the better choice.
I would have to agree, I've seen both Will/ Cable play a handful of times but it seems cable deals with pressure better and can fight a variety of MUs better IMO.
 

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We did a draft crew battle at MLG Columbus for money and I had Will on my team. Will vs Keitaro. Will 3 stocked him. True story, it was kind of amazing lol. Not saying we should def use Will, but it's a possibility. Prob the best DK pick. Then again seeing Cable in extreme matches he handles it well and get's it in. But has he been active a lot recently?

I'm extremely patient and know how to approach crew battles well. I would likely not make it, but in good matchups of mine I'm confident I would do great. My greatest asset to the crew would obviously be my strength over Ice Climbers and to a slightly lesser extent Marth and Diddy.

Speaking of PA just so people know really the only good players worth it for this going would be Vex, Kingtoon, and I. I think Squall might be going, but even if he is I wouldn't feel confident putting him on this. Kingtoon and Jash are more of less of a toss up with each other. Vex is a serious consideration, though probably as an alternate because he has some problematic matchups (ICs (maybe not anymore? lol), Falco, and to a lesser extent Diddy), and sometimes isn't playing well (though when he's on HE'S ON).

I would SOOOOO use Chu. Xanadu completely convinced me of that. He was so extremely wow on his game it was nuts. His knowledge of the Snake matchup will be an extreme help. Everyone elses lack of Kirby knowledge will be an extreme help. Chu has been around forever and knows how to approach crew battles. He's been regional crew battlin' since before we were born!

I would not use Logic. Really inconsistent. Sometimes **** by all means but if Xzax is any showing of what can potentially happen, a patient MK will not be good for him, which is something we would likely be up against. I would MUCH rather use Dabuz. If he's there, I don't see why he wouldn't be in. Olimar is such a great character on a lot of matchups, and the matchups we need to really keep Olimar away from aren't common at all which helps.

We're Atlantic North, we need a league of extraordinary Meta Knights obviously. Get that Atomsk, Anti, ksizzle, and Shadow I suppose - you know the drill.

****in' ADHD not being there sucks. Mew2King being Midwest sucks. Ally being International sucks. Nothin' you can do about that though.

Shippo for team cheerleader.

Fatal fo sho'

How many people do we get to have anyway? 10? 8? 5?
Hopefully not 5, cause Atl North's gonna go deep on this *****
 
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