Read THIS before asking how to do something - Terms and Advanced Tech

[smashbro]

technically, fox's reflector cancel, or "shine" (yuck), qualifies as a DJC.

 

[ant-d]

technically, fox's reflector cancel, or "shine" (yuck), qualifies as a DJC.

It uses a single jump.

 

[Wenbobular]

Unless he's arguing you can cancel the 2nd jump too, but I don't know where he's going with that.
And what's with the yuck at the shine? It's what it's generally referred to as.

 

[Thino]

shinecancelling the 2nd jump is uber useless

 

[rokimomi]

Its technically a shine cancel, but it lasts longer in the air. So like if you want to reflect like a thrown item. But who does that nowadays anyways????

 

[Thino]

I think it shouldnt even be called shinecancel , cuz shinecancelling involves cancelling the shine , the jump, it should be called JC or even DJC . meh... its just a matter of name whatsoever

 

[Wenbobular]

Well jump cancel implies that you're jumping to cancel the shine, which just isn't the case. Ambiguity with SSBM and all that...

 

[Thino]

prolly... with Yoshi and Ness as well

 

[rokimomi]

Some one, PLEASE. Make a vid. I dont have a capture card yet. But maybe later. And Wenbobular, organize the first post a bit too? Its a jumble.

 

[Wenbobular]

Whoa, organization, what an amazing concept...
Umm...I guess I could do categories...
...Someone tell me how. My organization skills suck horribly.

 

[ant-d]

Make a video of what?

 

[rokimomi]

Make a video of what?

An advanced how to play vid. Like the melee one, but for ssb 64.

 

[slow like]

this might be a really n00by question, but when playing ness, what are the benefits of DJC as opposed to single JC? is it faster to cancel the double jump than the first jump?

 

[Wenbobular]

You can't cancel the first jump.

 

[holy_pyro]

what about teleporting with jigglypuff, is that considered an advanced tech?

 

[mooseproduce]

Lol! You can't cancel Ness' first jump. Well, I guess you could - his Up+B and Down+B both stop his vertical speed. But that doesn't really count. (Though if you get knocked very far away from the stage, and want to stall for a bit, Down+B-ing repeatedly will in effect slow your fall.)

The reason his double jump can be cancelled is because as opposed to a normal jump, which just sets your vertical speed to some upwards value, Ness and Yoshi's double jumps actually animate a small circular movement, and then set the character's speed to some upwards value. So, if you cancel the circular animation early, then your speed never gets changed to an upwards value and you simply fall.

What's interesting about Ness' DJC is that his backwards double jump actually sets his horizontal speed to some value during the circular animation. So if you cancel his backwards double jump at certain frames, you maintain the speed of those frames. So for instance, a backwards-DJCed nair will, when timed properly, send you flying off backwards until the nair animation ends. You can do stuff like backwards-DJC-nair from the middle of Dreamland to the edge, and grab the ledge.

Ness' movement is crazy awesome. :D He's so fun just to frick around with.

 

[slow like]

dude, it's SO much fun. i just need to practice button sliding. and def need to try that backwards djc, that sounds really rad!

 

[Fabrian]

Lol! You can't cancel Ness' first jump. Well, I guess you could - his Up+B and Down+B both stop his vertical speed. But that doesn't really count. (Though if you get knocked very far away from the stage, and want to stall for a bit, Down+B-ing repeatedly will in effect slow your fall.)

The reason his double jump can be cancelled is because as opposed to a normal jump, which just sets your vertical speed to some upwards value, Ness and Yoshi's double jumps actually animate a small circular movement, and then set the character's speed to some upwards value. So, if you cancel the circular animation early, then your speed never gets changed to an upwards value and you simply fall.

What's interesting about Ness' DJC is that his backwards double jump actually sets his horizontal speed to some value during the circular animation. So if you cancel his backwards double jump at certain frames, you maintain the speed of those frames. So for instance, a backwards-DJCed nair will, when timed properly, send you flying off backwards until the nair animation ends. You can do stuff like backwards-DJC-nair from the middle of Dreamland to the edge, and grab the ledge.

Ness' movement is crazy awesome. :D He's so fun just to frick around with.

You can cancel the first jump by jumping again... technicly that is a jump cancel...

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

just eat alot, you cancel the first jump fairly easy

 

[_kSo_]

what about teleporting with jigglypuff, is that considered an advanced tech?

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=92303

 

[_kSo_]

Oh and I agree; ant-d (or anyone for that matter) should make an advanced tutorial for smash

Hmm maybe I'll do it - i have a lot of free time...lol

well im gonna get started

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

you better let me help you =o

 

[_kSo_]

haha ok. first off im gonna need clips kuz my camcorder is messed up

 

[_kSo_]

originally i was actually planning on using clips i had left over from old combo videos and match videos, but they arent really "tutorial" style clips

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

like matches and combos? just msn me on my aim: SuPeRbOoFmAn505 or msn: danh8850@hotmail.com

 

[Wenbobular]

Say, I just realized I have both an emulator and a video capturing thing...

 

[ant-d]

If there are any difficult things which need to be captured, such as DI, I can do those.

 

[Wenbobular]

Haven't you already done those?

 

[RedYoshi92]

I found this guide to be very helpful

 

[Nephiros]

I don't know what's going on and I'm too lazy to check. But I have a good screen recorder that doesn't lag so catch me on MSN (marcusdraconis_2@hotmail dot com) if you guys need any good stuff. I have no problem with very technical stuff (slides, DI, fast shine breaking, etc.) and also could show some ****ed up situational techniques of mine.

 

[ant-d]

Pikachu Upwards Up+B should be added. The thread is here:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=93395

 

[Wenbobular]

Thanks for the tip.

 

[Fabrian]

oy I noticed something the other day:
I was playing a newbie, and by accident the guy killed himself using link's (ground) up-b and falling off the edge doing it...

Now I'm wondering how much range it would take in mid air; let's say while falling from the green tower in hyrule and if it has the same effect as a normal ground up-b from link.

 

[Wenbobular]

*Blink*
Huh?
So it's kinda like Link's moonwalking up-b in SSBM?
Weird.

 

[rokimomi]

oy I noticed something the other day:
I was playing a newbie, and by accident the guy killed himself using link's (ground) up-b and falling off the edge doing it...

Now I'm wondering how much range it would take in mid air; let's say while falling from the green tower in hyrule and if it has the same effect as a normal ground up-b from link.

Was this on kirby's stage or did he run and Up B? cuz the wind can blow you off during that attack.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

Was this in kirby's bedroom or did he run and B? cuz the wind can blow you off

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[Fabrian]

nono it was in hyrule

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

oh my bad =p

 

[Wenbobular]

Kirby's bedroom? That's a new one.
But I've never heard of getting blown off in the middle of a spin attack.

 

[greenblob]

I noticed that there's a unhappy face under pivoting. I made a (bad) video of it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HblU4NnzOck
Or at least that's what I think pivoting is...