Read THIS before asking how to do something - Terms and Advanced Tech

[.Marik]

Very informative, this will definetly help my gameplay in SSB. Especially helpful, and I learned how to do Yoshi's Block canceling. It's always nice to brush up on my skills while playing the SSB games.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

shoudl we all add glitches to this list......like the green shell glitch for mario's tornado....or fox/ness's thunder glitch

 

[Surri-Sama]

shoudl we all add glitches to this list......like the green shell glitch for mario's tornado....or fox/ness's thunder glitch

lol here you go ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F23HpoBdMRI

 

[asianaussie]

There's this tech I guess nobody bothered picking up since it's so circumstantial...

If you're sent flying and you pass by a platform (in Hyrule or Dream Land, for example), Z-cancelling as you pass the platform (hard to time, I know :\) will change your status from flying and helpless to flying and normal, with the ability to jump back in very quickly.

Is this old, or just been ignored since it's so hard to do/use?

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

There's this tech I guess nobody bothered picking up since it's so circumstantial...

If you're sent flying and you pass by a platform (in Hyrule or Dream Land, for example), Z-cancelling as you pass the platform (hard to time, I know :\) will change your status from flying and helpless to flying and normal, with the ability to jump back in very quickly.

Is this old, or just been ignored since it's so hard to do/use?

a tech? lol

 

[Surri-Sama]

There's this tech I guess nobody bothered picking up since it's so circumstantial...

If you're sent flying and you pass by a platform (in Hyrule or Dream Land, for example), Z-cancelling as you pass the platform (hard to time, I know :\) will change your status from flying and helpless to flying and normal, with the ability to jump back in very quickly.

Is this old, or just been ignored since it's so hard to do/use?

this is called "teching" xP...but it happens so fast that you just see your char standing up within like a few frames....i do this a lot and usually follow it with a Nair...people run into it and its funny

 

[infernovia]

I just realized that fox's hitbox in his up b extends past him in several frames (most noticeable in the diagonal). This allows him to hit people while he is stuck ramming into the ledge and also allows him to cancel projectiles like I mentioned beforehand (including samus's charge shot).

BTW, just hit link's boomerang and knocked it back.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I just realized that fox's hitbox in his up b extends past him in several frames (most noticeable in the diagonal). This allows him to hit people while he is stuck ramming into the ledge and also allows him to cancel projectiles like I mentioned beforehand (including samus's charge shot).

BTW, just hit link's boomerang and knocked it back.

are you sure about Samus charged shot?

 

[AvengerAngel]

Are you talking about the american version or the japanese version? Cause in the japanese one Fox has invincibility frames during the uB :O

 

[Surri-Sama]

Are you talking about the american version or the japanese version? Cause in the japanese one Fox has invincibility frames during the uB :O

Well I dont play the Japanese Smash so..xP

This topic seems to have died...can anyone answer my question?

 

[Wenbobular]

Odd place to ask a question as specific as that Surri, I don't think canceling projectiles with Fox's up-b deserves to be in the general adv. topics discussion, maybe if we had a guide to playing Fox (and if this was something you could do consistently).

 

[Surri-Sama]

maybe if we had a guide to playing Fox

LOL don't hint at me...I asked that question to a specific statement someone in this topic made

 

[House]

I think you should take a look a this: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207417

 

[Wenbobular]

Actually Surri I already wrote a Fox guide
And House, show me someone that can do that consistently in realtime and I'll put it up. For now, I'm considering that impractical TAS stuff

 

[Deleted member]

Shameless Plug:

watch this vid for a visual on most of these techniques!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPVKRcf9hlk&fmt=18

 

[Surri-Sama]

Actually Surri I already wrote a Fox guide
And House, show me someone that can do that consistently in realtime and I'll put it up. For now, I'm considering that impractical TAS stuff

man..i know you've done a guide allready, ...and i knew you where hinting that i should go look at it...but i dont think it covers what i asked :o

Either that or i missed it O_o

 

[joeplicate]

so I found out that you can edgehog in your turnaround animation after the initial dash

I'm sure people have known about this
is it widely used though? would it be effective at all?

 

[Superstar]

Actually, I just turn around, time for when their up-B hits the ledge, and edgehog. Double jump if I'm too early.

Not as important as it'd be in Melee, I think. Since stuff like dtitls, usmash, and dash attacks seem to work much better here. I dunno, maybe?

 

[Daedatheus]

so I found out that you can edgehog in your turnaround animation after the initial dash

I'm sure people have known about this
is it widely used though? would it be effective at all?

I don't see it widely used, but I'm sure there would be that 1 super-ultra-specific situation where you'd need Brawl-like edgehogging.

 

[Lovage]

I don't see it widely used, but I'm sure there would be that 1 super-ultra-specific situation where you'd need Brawl-like edgehogging.

on the left area in hyrule if you roll to the wall with fox it is the perfect distance

 

[Daedatheus]

on the left area in hyrule if you roll to the wall with fox it is the perfect distance

I know how to set it up, but I'm just saying that doing that type of edgehogging is often much less useful than just jumping backwards and FFing into the ledge at the right moment.

However, if you perfect this dash&pivot edgehog, you could easily bait recovering opponents to the empty, seemingly clear edge by standing far away, then dash and hog it right before they can grab it, as long as you have the timing down. A good mindgame. I think I'll go practice this now just for that

Curious: Does anyone have a list of which chars CAN dash pivot edgehog and who CAN'T? Just to save me a bit of testing time if someone already knows.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Cant they all do it...but Fox, falcon and luigi can do something extra?

i remember talking to Boom about this one time...but i cant remember xP

 

[Daedatheus]

Cant they all do it...but Fox, falcon and luigi can do something extra?

i remember talking to Boom about this one time...but i cant remember xP

Did some testing, everyone can do it more or less, it's just that it's way harder with most characters. With fox it's fairly easy because of his big slide.

What's this something extra those chars can do, if anything?

 

[Surri-Sama]

Like i said, i cant remember xP

I think maybe they can do it directly out of the dash animation, making it faster? O_o;;

 

[PraKirJaq]

How do I shffl? I can easily get the short hop and the z/l cancel, but the fast fall is the thing I'm having most trouble with since, apparently, you can't ff during the attack animation. I probably just have to have faster fingers, but when should I ff: before or after the attack input?

Thanks in advanced.

 

[Lawrencelot]

How do I shffl? I can easily get the short hop and the z/l cancel, but the fast fall is the thing I'm having most trouble with since, apparently, you can't ff during the attack animation. I probably just have to have faster fingers, but when should I ff: before or after the attack input?

Thanks in advanced.

That's one big difference from melee, you don't shffl here. Just shl (i don't mean shorthop laser). If you do use a fastfall, it's mostly from a fullhop. So fhffl XD

 

[Superstar]

You can, however, do Shorthop->Fastfall->uair->Z Cancel with certain characters. It kinda buffers if you fastfall a bit later than normal [at the top of your jump] and IMMEDIATELY UpA.

Could not get a match after practicing it though. I'm not desperate enough to go on EGX.

 

[Surri-Sama]

SH fast falling B,Dairs is tricky

 

[Superstar]

With Mario, I saw no use for dairs, since it pretty much ends when it starts. Nairs look hella useful to SHFF, but sometimes I mix up with dair. I'll try B. :D

Got someone in a monster combo last night with an SHFF uair and SH double uairs, but most of the time I messed up because I was still new to the tech. You know, standard overuse and half the time you mess up. WHich is standard whenever you learn anything new. Can get it in practice, but not real match.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

What's the point in shffing a dair with mario? You mightaswell shdair ---> uair to either destroy his shield or start up a huge combo.

Then again, that dair-uair business is tricky if your opponent has good DI. I never really use it with mario although I do have the techskill for it on n64. I'm more of a luigi guy anyway.

 

[Surri-Sama]

What's the point in shffing a dair with mario? You mightaswell shdair ---> uair to either destroy his shield or start up a huge combo.

Then again, that dair-uair business is tricky if your opponent has good DI. I never really use it with mario although I do have the techskill for it on n64. I'm more of a luigi guy anyway.

The Dair will normally depleat a shield enough for the Uair to connect, and if it doesnt, Cancle and Dtilt

 

[Superstar]

Dtilt, what will dtilt do? Oh, break shield.

People go on about tip of dair->uair, but drill combos suck cause of DI, and it's so predictable because when it combos, that's very close to your only option. So BLEH. It's overrated anyways, FF uairs FTW.

But I forgot how to do it. Might as well fight EGX peeps to practice it, since most have no chance to prevent me from doing it, and the prevention in P2P made me forget how to do it

 

[Surri-Sama]

Dtilt, what will dtilt do? Oh, break shield.

People go on about tip of dair->uair, but drill combos suck cause of DI, and it's so predictable because when it combos, that's very close to your only option. So BLEH. It's overrated anyways, FF uairs FTW.

But I forgot how to do it. Might as well fight EGX peeps to practice it, since most have no chance to prevent me from doing it, and the prevention in P2P made me forget how to do it

Actually, I don’t mean “break” the shield with Dtilt, more like go around it. After a DairUair, there should definitely be enough shield damage to allow Dtilt to hit, then you use fireball, and continue your offense…(by this time if you use another DairUair you should almost 100% hit with at least the Uair due to shield damage)

 

[sharksquail]

is the link bomb recovery really something that can be done? every time i try to throw the bomb it goes flying instead of staying anywhere near me.

 

[Daedatheus]

is the link bomb recovery really something that can be done? every time i try to throw the bomb it goes flying instead of staying anywhere near me.

Yes. Although every time I use it it's never gotten me far enough to save my life

In the air:
Pull out a bomb. Throw it lightly down (the easiest way to do this is to never let go of down after pulling out the bomb and then hitting throw) and do a back air into it. It'll give you a nice little boost, but also make you face the way the bomb hit you from so grabbing the ledge will not always be possible...

I practiced this and learned how to do it by double-jumping off the highest platform on Hyrule and doing it before I hit the ground. You should be able to do it fast enough so that it happens before you hit the ground, otherwise it won't be useful when you're really off the edge anyway.

 

[sharksquail]

so do you just tap throw like your doing a short hop (speed wise that is) or does it matter?

 

[Surri-Sama]

I wouldn't waste your time learning that untill you've mastered most other things...bomb recovery will very rarly help...it turns you backwards so you cant grab the edge :\

 

[sharksquail]

word. i was just curious, and i had tried it a couple times before to no avail.

 

[some1rational]

how do you dash, pivot turn around? as in initial dashing one direction, instantly turning around at the end of dash animation...like specific joystick movement...because it doens't seem to work like melee where u tap down to pivot then tilt the other direction to turn around

 

[Darth Rancorous]

i think house's drop cancel as well as "fake" jump techniques should be added to the list of advanced techniques even if they are almost humanly impossible to pull off