Read THIS before asking how to do something - Terms and Advanced Tech

[kuenzel]

Fox's shine cancel isnt on there... i definatly want to know how to do that. can anyone post the how to?

 

[Thino]

press down B as you jump , the faster , the better

 

[rokimomi]

Slide your fingers from the left C button to B while holding down B. Button slide.

 

[Umbrasquall]

Don't do it too fast or it won't show.

 

[Wenbobular]

...It's right under shine. See quote by moogle.

 

[kuenzel]

oh uh... heh, my bad. thx tho

 

[jayrico]

Fastfall - Pressing down after the apex of your jump to fall much faster than normal. Unlike SSBM, you cannot fast fall in the middle of a move.

Isai said that you can fast fall after an aerial attack with some characters.

You can shuffle DK's AUA/ANA/ABA and Luigi AUA/ANA/ADA and Mario AUA/ANA and Kirby ANA/ABA and Link ADA(when opponent on the ground mostly I think) and Pikachu ANA/AUA and most of Samus and Ness ADA all of jiggly. I wonder what else

link: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=1528470&highlight=shffl#post1528470

 

[_kSo_]

Yea, I heard about that. Apparently only isai can do it consitently, but what do I know, I've never even tried it. Hopefully there arent anymore shffls that are possible kuz then this game will get blown wide into the open again as far as competitive play goes

 

[jayrico]

Maybe antd can do some research on shffling

 

[ant-d]

Maybe antd can do some research on shffling

what do you mean by shffing exactly

 

[jayrico]

what do you mean by shffing exactly

shffl=short hop fast fall lag cancel. In other words fast falling after a short hop aerial attack. I'm wondering if there is a noticeable difference in your duration in the air if you short hop fast fall your aerial attack or not.

 

[Frazzlehoon]

Well, I'm pretty sure the Ant-D knows what shffling is, but what else is there to RESARCH?

You can shuffle DK's AUA/ANA/ABA and Luigi AUA/ANA/ADA and Mario AUA/ANA and Kirby ANA/ABA and Link ADA(when opponent on the ground mostly I think) and Pikachu ANA/AUA and most of Samus and Ness ADA all of jiggly. I wonder what else

Mostly everything has been explained in that post. There is like nothing else to find out. :/

 

[_kSo_]

shffl'ing is ballin' hard on 64

 

[greenblob]

You mean SHFFZ? ...

How do you FF during an aerial?

 

[cmasterchoe]

I think its only possible to ff after an aerial is completed. if you hit down while doing an aerial, it would do dair... however it does ff on dair if you are already past the apex of your jump

 

[greenblob]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking... SH, wait until you're at the top, FF, and then aerial into Z cancel (I do this a lot with Samus' bair for some reason). But wouldn't that be too slow?

 

[ant-d]

fast fall = double landing lag

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

fast fall = double landing lag

interesting to know

 

[Wenbobular]

Sheesh guys, sorry for using commonly accepted SSBM lingo that almost applies here. Besides, shuffle sounds so much better than...shzc. Considering actually doing a fastfall during the shuffle in SSB is...somewhat impractical.

 

[greenblob]

We should call it the SHAZ--Short Hop Aerial Z-cancel

 

[Wenbobular]

Me and Winston once dubbed it the shizzle for personal use, I don't know how you guys like it

 

[greenblob]

That's awesome!

SHZL (shizzle)--Short Hop Z-Lag-cancel

 

[ant-d]

In other words fast falling after a short hop aerial attack

You mean fast falling before an attack?

I have that data:

Black = cannot hit

You can shuffle DK's AUA/ANA/ABA and Luigi AUA/ANA/ADA and Mario AUA/ANA and Kirby ANA/ABA and Link ADA(when opponent on the ground mostly I think) and Pikachu ANA/AUA and most of Samus and Ness ADA all of jiggly. I wonder what else

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

its a face! lol

 

[Rupus]

My brother said the exact same thing >_>

Ant, could you possibly make a video showing the uses of this? I'm not sure how much faster it'd make your character, so I'm not sure how useful it'd be.

 

[ant-d]

It wont be good to show in a video, I think. An example is SHFF some of Falcon's Up-airs to get the opponent closer to the ground. Or SHFF Drills so the opponent has less opportunity to DI.

Some attacks are harder to fast fall than others. So remember that you do not need to press down to fast fall.

To SH FF Fox's ABA, for example, it may be easier to press as close to backward as possible+A. So Fox will FF and perform ABA very quickly. Changing from absolute Down to absolute Back/Forward may be difficult.

This is as far away from down which still results in FF:

 

[_kSo_]

I don't know about sh'ing and ff'ing but i know for sure when you are coming down from high up, sometimes a ff bair is a nice mind game (aka falcon) because typically they are expecting a dair or whatever so the range of the bair will surprise them

 

[ant-d]

Maybe someone wants to know this

I call it base hit stun in this table. It is the amount of time the opponent is stunned for after the attack at 0%, not including freeze frames. This table happens to be Kirby's A-attacks.

Colours represent same number in column.

 

[Wenbobular]

Wait ant-d, what are freeze frames?

 

[ant-d]

I did not make that term. It could mean DI window or when the attacker is frozen.

 

[whaahppnd]

antd you are insane

 

[Deleted member]

I'm having trouble playing... I'm pretty **** sure it's because I have Windows Vista... I open PJ64k, click the rom, it loads, then crashes and closes... it works on my friend's computer (Windows XP), so I don't know if it's because I have Vista or something else... if anyone could help, that would be great...

 

[Zantetsu]

I'm having trouble playing... I'm pretty **** sure it's because I have Windows Vista... I open PJ64k, click the rom, it loads, then crashes and closes... it works on my friend's computer (Windows XP), so I don't know if it's because I have Vista or something else... if anyone could help, that would be great...

Woh wrong place to ask a question XP. Anyways right click on pj64k>Properties>Compadibility>Check "Run this program in compadibility for...". Then click "Windows XP Service pack 2".

That should work =\

 

[unityole]

heres a tier list of what i think which should go on top above which character. and this is what i believe that it's true for most skilled players.

Top
Pikachu
Kirby
Fox
Captain Falcon


Med
Ness
Link
Jigglypuff
DK


Bottom
Mario
Yoshi
Samus
Luigi


knowing that link is med tier since its a fast fall, fast moving/attacking character in air
also notice that the bottom tier consist of floaty characters. Jiggly puff not in it since it's attacks are similar to kirby and it's ground speed makes up for it. Yoshi im just not too good at timing with parry
but since its too slow on the ground and with no UP-B recovery, it fit low tier, other than that im gonna have to have prince or sossi correct me on this. Possibly best yoshi users in the world?

proof? watch isai or superboom lose with mario more often than losing with link.
weather u like it or not, slow air attack characters and slow fallers aren't very good against fast fall characters.


and heres GLITCHES for ssb64.
- fox, ness, ness. PK thunder with 1 ness, fox reflect it back to 2nd ness and 2nd ness bats it. gets 2 tailed PK thunder and if anything made contact in it's path game freezes.

- white fox, red hat pikachu in ffa mode on dreamland. still testing this but only 2 characters are allowed, has to be fox and pikachu (not sure if the colours matter) Fox can do whatever except for jumping off the edge. Pikachu rolls all the way to left or right edge, hold shield and self shield break. pikachu will then fall down to heaven, and the game will freeze.

 

[6th Sense]

How can you possibly place Link in Mid Tier and Mario and Luigi in the bottom? lol

 

[unityole]

link is better than mario and luigi, its true!

 

[greenblob]

If you've been keeping up with the Brawl news, you probably know about "hugging"--grabbing the ledge from the platform. Well, I found out that you can already kinda do this with Fox!

Dash towards a ledge, turn and hold the stick that way, and if you timed it correctly you should turn, slide off, and then grab the ledge.

I don't know if you can do this with other characters, but I've tried it out with a few and it seems like only Fox can do it.

Edit: can someone check with some other characters? I don't have the best tech skill, so yeah...

I'll probably upload a vid of Fox doing this by this weekend if people still have questions.

 

[lukintosh]

By the way, just asking about short hops. I play on Kaillera, and I use my wiimote and nunchuk to play (via GlovePIE). I want to know if its possible to shorthop?

 

[unityole]

and heres GLITCHES for ssb64.
- fox, ness, ness. PK thunder with 1 ness, fox reflect it back to 2nd ness and 2nd ness bats it. gets 2 tailed PK thunder and if anything made contact in it's path game freezes.

- white fox, red hat pikachu in ffa mode on dreamland. still testing this but only 2 characters are allowed, has to be fox and pikachu (not sure if the colours matter) Fox can do whatever except for jumping off the edge. Pikachu rolls all the way to left or right edge, hold shield and self shield break. pikachu will then fall down to heaven, and the game will freeze.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

and heres GLITCHES for ssb64.
- fox, ness, ness. PK thunder with 1 ness, fox reflect it back to 2nd ness and 2nd ness bats it. gets 2 tailed PK thunder and if anything made contact in it's path game freezes.

- white fox, red hat pikachu in ffa mode on dreamland. still testing this but only 2 characters are allowed, has to be fox and pikachu (not sure if the colours matter) Fox can do whatever except for jumping off the edge. Pikachu rolls all the way to left or right edge, hold shield and self shield break. pikachu will then fall down to heaven, and the game will freeze.

you know..this has nothing to do with a tier list

also marios and luigis recoveries are much better than links