- Dec 18, 2018
Abstaining. It's been far too long since I last played League of Legends to possibly get anything right about it.
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To be fair, Nintendo's actively collaborating with Tencent directly to distribute Switches and make Pokemon Unite, plus a Tencent-hosted Chinese Ring Fit Direct. Maybe a bit soon for Smash, but I think we can say they've already gotten involved in Tencent's business (Unless that's not what you were referring to?)It's quite possible that Nintendo doesn't want to get mixed up in the business of a large Chinese company for legitimate political reasons.
This is true, but this is the reverse situation of Tencent utilizing Nintendo IP to make a game. In Smash it would be Nintendo having to borrow Riot IP.To be fair, Nintendo's actively collaborating with Tencent directly to distribute Switches and make Pokemon Unite, plus a Tencent-hosted Chinese Ring Fit Direct. Maybe a bit soon for Smash, but I think we can say they've already gotten involved in Tencent's business (Unless that's not what you were referring to?)
Maybe I don't know enough about how corporate deals work, but if the issue is Nintendo getting involved with a Chinese megacorp, then any sort of IP cross-usage seems like involvement enough to say "Yeah, they're fine with this." No matter who's using what, they'd need to work out a deal and would probably have to share profits (At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it goes?), so Tencent using Nintendo IPs and Nintendo using Riot IPs don't seem like they have much of a divide.This is true, but this is the reverse situation of Tencent utilizing Nintendo IP to make a game. In Smash it would be Nintendo having to borrow Riot IP.
From what I gather you used them on the Conker/Riptor double day. You gave 15 noms, which was more than the day cap, so I assumed the intention was to use extra noms. If I was wrong I guess there's no harm in you getting them back and substracting them Ratchet & Clank, if that's what you'd prefer.
While we're at it can I request that we change the "SMTV protagonist" part? We now know his name is Nahobino.Normally I would say the fixed schedule is kind of locked, but in this case it feels like something that would make things better, at least for Granblue fans. Sure.
I thought that was the name of the form he took. The vibe I got was akin to calling Joker “Persona User” if that makes sense. If it does count as his name I am free to change it but from what I remember it wasn’t that clear cut.From what I gather you used them on the Conker/Riptor double day. You gave 15 noms, which was more than the day cap, so I assumed the intention was to use extra noms. If I was wrong I guess there's no harm in you getting them back and substracting them Ratchet & Clank, if that's what you'd prefer.
While we're at it can I request that we change the "SMTV protagonist" part? We now know his name is Nahobino.
From what I've seen Atlus is referring to the character by that name (for example in the description from the official website) and it's the name used for him in the Treehouse presentation so I think it'll at least end up being what everyone refers to him for the foreseeable future.I thought that was the name of the form he took. The vibe I got was akin to calling Joker “Persona User” if that makes sense. If it does count as his name I am free to change it but from what I remember it wasn’t that clear cut.
Fair enough, I’ll amend it in a bit. Didn’t watch treehouse or check the website, I checked the wiki.From what I've seen Atlus is referring to the character by that name (for example in the description from the official website) and it's the name used for him in the Treehouse presentation so I think it'll at least end up being what everyone refers to him for the foreseeable future.
Corporate deals work like any deals work, and are wildly varied and circumstantial to the point it's not really worth speculating on. I agree that the existence of things like the Pokemon MoBA shows that the two companies are willing to work with each other if the situation and opportunity arises, and it's not like I said there's no chance that they'd work out something to get League into Smash (I gave them a pretty fair chance overall I think). I just maintain that there is a lot of hurdles that comes with working with a Chinese corporation, especially one as big as Tencent is, and Nintendo could be understandably wary of it anytime they do come into contact with each other. As for why it matters who's using what IP, for example, if LoL is added to Smash and down the line, Nintendo wanted to bring everyone back for the next Smash installment they would have to consult with Tencent again, while it's unlikely that Tencent cares if a sequel to the Pokemon game is made or to its quality so long as it makes money (This could also potentially explain why Smash has stuck to a small selection of companies for the 3rd party characters in its roster). I'd also add that as far as IP is concerned, China in general is notoriously dgaf of the copyright laws of foreign countries.Maybe I don't know enough about how corporate deals work, but if the issue is Nintendo getting involved with a Chinese megacorp, then any sort of IP cross-usage seems like involvement enough to say "Yeah, they're fine with this." No matter who's using what, they'd need to work out a deal and would probably have to share profits (At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it goes?), so Tencent using Nintendo IPs and Nintendo using Riot IPs don't seem like they have much of a divide.
I thought double days gave noms for each character rated? Oh well, no worries. You don't need to change anything further.From what I gather you used them on the Conker/Riptor double day. You gave 15 noms, which was more than the day cap, so I assumed the intention was to use extra noms. If I was wrong I guess there's no harm in you getting them back and substracting them Ratchet & Clank, if that's what you'd prefer.
Something about the way Reimu's surname is written doesn't look right.Reimu Hakuri (Touhou)
That's... a difficult question to answer. While there is actually E3 coverage there as well - whether from people looking up official coverage on major sites (it's surprisingly easy to find coverage) or booting up their VPN of choice - I'm not sure how many actually watch. I don't think viewership is above the Western viewership (otherwise Zhuge - who analyses gaming there as his job - would notice that) and I can't imagine that the number is above the number of Japanese that watch E3 either. Console gaming is much more niché - even if growing currently. Still, information does get over there, quickly too. Hell, one of the sites had a dedicated E3 section where it was practically "here's all the reveals gathered in one place!".In this regard though LoL's massive appeal in China - coupled with its Chinese ownership - makes it kind of a wildcard. We just don't know what a reveal oriented to that market looks like. Does China get to watch E3? Probably not right? So I guess that would justify holding League for its own presentation.
There's also the factor of being a Western franchise which after everything that's happened keeps looking more and more unlikely.
Saber actually is on the fixed schedule, so feel free to change your noms. Glad to see more Falcom love though.Rean Schwarzer
Chance 50%, The Trails series is one of my favorite games of all time and has some of the most in depth world and character building i've seen in a video game, The trails series seems to be Falcom's big money maker and has crossed over with mobile games like Langrisser and with Phantasy Star Online 2, It is clear that Falcom wants to market it as much as they can. Rean specifically is part of the newest games which more people have played, Rean's biggest hurdle is Obscurity.
Want 100% Rean is easily one of my most wanted, he would have unique swordplay and magic and would bring in oodles of Fantastic content with things like
Spirits and Especially Music
Chance 50%, Ys has had more time to grow over it's life, Adol being the consistent protagonist helps, Adol is iconic and I can easily see him joining hte ranks of Smash, he has the same issue as Rean though, Obscurity.
Want 99%, I only put Adol at a 99% because his moveset would be slightly more standard, but Adol would still bring fantastic content and Style to smash.
Chance 50%. I could honestly just copy and Past what I said about Rean here, Estelle does have more going for her though, The Sky games were the first games in the Trails series and thus paved the way for the rest of the games, and she is basically the Icon of the Franchise appearing in anniversary marketing and the like
Want: 100% Estelle is easily my most wanted character, hell she is the reason I joined this site in the First Place, to Promote Estelle, Falcom and to create the Estelle support thread, Estelle not only would bring fantastic Music and an interesting stage, She would also have one of the most unique Playstyles in smash, Being able to use various elemental magics and a Bo-staff.
I feel like I could Type more but Gwen's writeup basically said everything.
Noms: Saber x5
.... I really hope you're just joking...The virgin Scrimblo Bimblo vs the Chadol
Actually, the entire tetralogy of Cold Steel was localized, CS4 came out in April..... I really hope you're just joking...
I've been dreading this day for quite awhile.... Let's get this over with.
Chance: 40% - 25% already from his genre alone, I feel like this would be the most likely Falcom rep. However, this is only if Sakurai gets to pick the character. Adol has some historical significance (even if his franchise is very niche) as a staging ground for Japanese ARPGs. Sakurai values history a lot when it comes to his character choices, so this is the Sakurai pick of the bunch. Furthermore, his games, despite a hiatus as Gwen mentioned, have continued to this day so a lack of relevance is not an issue for him. He's popular within his fandom despite his lack of Smash fan demand (basically similar to a Yuri vs. Lloyd debate) so I can't imagine him being a controversial choice for Falcom fans. Really his final obstacle seems to be the fact that Nintendo chooses to promote Trails instead of Ys, so they may opt for Rean or Estelle if they are choosing. Though being a niche Japanese character with a sword does wonders for the final slot, so he gets a good score.
Want: 5% - He's got history and Nintendo representation, so there's that. I also do appreciate how he represents the more actiony side of JRPGs rather than the traditional side. However, we have only got one slot left, his genre has already gotten LOADS of love in the DLC, and, quite frankly, nothing at all about this character or his games interests me whatsoever (aside from the fact that he talks in grunts and stuff?). I looked through some of his stuff but I really am not convinced that he'd be a good pick, especially when there are loads of other, bigger, and more interesting historical picks that bring way more to the table. If all of these guys get shafted, why should Adol get a free pass just because of his genre. And can you imagine the discourse if we left off on this guy? I don't want Smash to end off this way. I get it, I'm not afraid to admit tha I like my Scrimblo Bimblos, but both them and more realistic choices like Chosen Undead, Dragonborn, MasterChief, and Doom Slayer also bring a lot to the table (h*, even f**** Jonesy Fortnite) and both bring in aesthetics that would be unique and interesting. Adol? Who wants more euro-fantasy anime JRPG content? I certainly don't, I'd rather see something more unique. Plus a franchise shouldn't get into smash purely because "the music just slaps THAT hard!", and this is coming from someone who's most wanted character's franchise is very well-known for its' music. Plus, if I were to choose an Action RPG rep I'd easily go with The Elder Scrolls instead, a franchise with way more renown and influence, and by far one of my favorite franchises. No offense....
Chance: 50% - 25% from his genre as well. If Nintendo were choosing the Falcom rep themselves, this is who I feel they would go with. Nintendo, at least in its' Switch news startups, has been promoting the recent Trails games and his games, the Cold Steel subseries, are regarded as the some of the best in the franchise and Rean is by far the most popular character in the franchise because of it. His games have also been coming to the Switch so he has recency on his side. Really, the cards line up in a way where he's the Yuri Lowell of Falcom. The only real obstacle I can see for him is that most of his game's aren't localized, and that has stopped Sakurai in the past. Though with some of his stuff coming to the west he could easily change his mind. Plus he's basically the poster child for a final character choice.
Want: 0% - No, just no. Just NO. This guy literally ticks every box that could make for a boring Smash inclusion. This guy brings absolutely nothing to the table, I don't think anyone would be excited about yet another traditional blue-haired swordsman. His abilities aren't very interesting, there's more interesting choices within his own company and within his own series, and this would be by far the worst way to end smash, second to only a Fire Emblem shill rep. Plus the Smash fans who DO like Falcom want either Estelle or Adol, the former for her unique weapon and the latter for his historical significance. Rean, meanwhile, would be one of the least satisfying conclusions of all time. You saw how I ripped into Adol. When a character makes ADOL seem appealing to me by comparison, you knows something's wrong.
Chance: 40% - 25% from genre, plus she was the main character in the Trails of the Sky games, where the franchise got its' start. Sakurai went for Kazuya likely due to his status as Tekken's first protagonist, and if he has to choose a Trails character he could go for Estelle for the same reason. Furthermore, she's pretty popular, would be more unique than other Trails reps (which Sakurai may find appealing), and, like Rean, her series has been promoted by Nintendo directly. Nintendo clearly has a good enough relationship with Falcom. Not much else to say, she has a lot of similar advantages to Rean, it really is a matter of whether or not they'll go for history or popularity, and who chooses the character.
Want: 15% - I'll be much softer with Estelle since she DOES bring something to the table: a unique mix of staff and elemental magic which could make for a cool moveset. We don't have any staff users in Smash yet and very few mages, so she would definitely be filling a void. However, with only one slot left there are other characters I'd much rather see, both from other franchises and from her archetype, especially Bandana Dee if we want a staff-like weapon. And if we want a mixed two-handed and magic user that can also do tons more things, one of my most wanted characters of all already covers that. She's not a bad character, I just have other priorities, and I'd rather see some more genre variety in the DLC, and end off on a character more people would be happy with. She's still better than a shill rep, though!
[Rerate] Louie x10
Decidueye - 27.43%
Garchomp - 16.92%
Gen 8 - 13.05%
Decidueye will more than likely get high ratings due to FP11's likely release being before Arceus while still long after Sun and Moon, a sweet spot of familiar yet promotable. Garchomp, despite not being a starter, gains from Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl releasing around the time of FP11's probable release, making for a neat tie-in. Expecting Gen 8's confidence to dwindle despite being town to the inevitably disappointing final character, but with The Pokemon Company shifting focus to Arceus and the Remakes, Gen 8 may end up getting out-prioritized.