Mushroomguy12
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Looks like I have an excuse to post this.The one good thing to come out of Project M's death is the fact that no one will ever get to play as Lyn in Smash.
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Looks like I have an excuse to post this.The one good thing to come out of Project M's death is the fact that no one will ever get to play as Lyn in Smash.
Agree with the sentiment even if I found it funny.His spite was extremely unnecessary, but let's not start arguments...
I very briefly mentioned it in my postHonestly I'm just impressed that I haven't seen anyone point out the Ancient Armor Mii Costume in relation to the possibility of a Zelda character, good eye on that one 7NATOR
Aside from that, Lyn and Dark Pit are great characters and they're also not real people y'all, don't troll people who like them and don't troll people who dislike them.
Where does this leave characters with general support threads(for example, Sony overall has one but not the individual characters) or concepts like a Microsoft rep that isn't Steve/Chief. Personally, I don't exactly want to just spam support threads for characters constantly. Not sure how that'll work with characters that I want to see rated but don't actually support eitherAgree with the sentiment even if I found it funny.
Skull Kid
10% chance
One of the few ATs that I think have any shot at a promotion. NintenRob made some solid points about how Skull Kid has a strong resume. He also has stuck around clearly more in the cultural zeitgeist than most non triforce users. He has a few hurdles tho. First, ATs. As of now, I wouldn’t say they hard deconfirm, but I do not see a promotion as super likely. There are a few that I can see as gettin promoted, namely Isaac Kid and Waluigi, but as of now it is still a knock on him. The other is competition. First off, jury’s still out on whether this is the end. I know Sakurai said he has worked on smash a long time in a row in the column, but until he outright says it’s over, it ain’t over. I can see a season 3 still. Despite that, skull kid is in a tough race to get a spot. His fan demand while high is not the highest. He also could have competition from a rep from BOTW2. I could see a character from that getting in if the timeline adds up, be it someone new or Zelda. That being said, he’s still got a solid shot.
100% want
Yeah I like him. To be fair, I was gonna rate a bit lower but the stellar write ups swayed me. I see a fun character I would love to play as from a series that could use some more love.
Midna
1% chance
Take what i said about Skull Kid, but less popular to boot. That popularity is part of what helps the little guy, and Midna, while a popular choice herself, pales to him.
100% want
Which is a shame since I would honestly rather have her. I would love a mounted character in smash, and riding wolf link into battle scratches that itch. I also have a soft spot for Twilight Princess, it was the first Zelda I beat.
Lyn
1% chance
Never underestimate FE shilling lol. But seriously, unless BB and BS get remade her case is rough. All she has is popularity, which is impressive for FE. She is super popular for western fans.
100% want
I have wanted an eastern styled sword user for ages. The quick draw style would be awesome to wield. It’s part of why I want Takamaru, it’s a big reason I want Lyn.
also she cute.
Today we continue the AT marathon with Krystal, Shadow, and Bomberman. Will they see hope like these three did? Rate them in chance and want. Next up, we got a retro day, with Takamaru, Lip, and my girl Mach Rider. Predict them.
Two announcements first tho before the day ends.
First off, there will be a noms purge after day 500 for anything under 50 noms. If ya wanna save something, ya got plenty of time to push it over the safe zone. Lots of abandoned ideas are littering the bottom area, so save them or push something new, ya got plenty of time.
Secondly, remember that there should be a support thread for characters. By day 500, any character that does not have a support thread of some sort will be purged too. I don’t want a repeat of Blue Bowser or Freddie Fish, where people were clearly unhappy. Plenty of time to make a thread.
No All Hail Shadow? D: xDShadow
Oh sorry, didn't notice. Then, good eye!I very briefly mentioned it in my post
This is the same game that had Dark Samus as a full on echo and Ganondorf debut as an echo of Captain Falcon.I'd like to argue against Shadow being a Sonic Echo. At the very least, he'd be a Wolf-esque heavy semiclone. They may play the same in SA2, but future games withe expanded movesets had them diverge quite a bit. Sonic's the swift, speedy one (Well, speedier) and a bit of a showoff, while Shadow favors raw power and is serious and straightforward. I can't really see Shadow doing splits and wind-up punches in battle while maintaining his serious image.
Ganondorf was a clone back in Melee, and Sakurai generally doesn't like going back on movesets. As for Dark Samus, she (They? It?) wasn't a major request, and they were also a literal clone of Samus, so it would at least make some sense to make 'em an Echo. Shadow isn't a literal clone of Sonic, though, and his fighting style is different. While DS could be a lot more unique, it would at least make sense to use the arm cannon. I can't really Shadow doing stuff like the spinning headbutt, the upward toss-into-quills throw, the splits, etc. It just wouldn't match up.This is the same game that had Dark Samus as a full on echo and Ganondorf debut as an echo of Captain Falcon.
Shadow as an echo would be minor in comparison
Yeah but that also applies to Ken and Ken's an Echo.They may play the same in SA2, but future games withe expanded movesets had them diverge quite a bit.
We were literally told that she got in because of the Ballot.As for Dark Samus, she (They? It?) wasn't a major request
Dark Samus was added due to her demand....familiarity with the character shows how much different she'd actually play than Samus based off of her appearances in the Prime Trilogy if given the adequate time. Shadow debuted playing exactly the same as Sonic plus like Dark Samus and Dark Pit are compared to their counterparts his build is close enough to that of Sonic that if he were to be made playable it would more than likely be as an easy to make echo. Probably given a different Up B, however. Every echo fighter can be given a unique moveset if time allowed, but in most cases its echo or not at all. If Shadow were to be playable he would most likely not be an exception.Ganondorf was a clone back in Melee, and Sakurai generally doesn't like going back on movesets. As for Dark Samus, she (They? It?) wasn't a major request, and they were also a literal clone of Samus, so it would at least make some sense to make 'em an Echo. Shadow isn't a literal clone of Sonic, though, and his fighting style is different. While DS could be a lot more unique, it would at least make sense to use the arm cannon. I can't really Shadow doing stuff like the spinning headbutt, the upward toss-into-quills throw, the splits, etc. It just wouldn't match up.
Ken's not just an Echo, though, he's the Echo. That's what everyone thinks if him as. Dark Samus is a bit of an oddity, since she has a lot to work with, but generally it makes sense for them to use their arm cannon. Just look at Sonic forward smash, or his down smash. I can't really picture Shadow doing those without breaking character. Besides, Wolf was a semiclone back in Brawl, and even Isabelle became a semiclone rather than an Echo in Ultimate. I think Shadow has more precedence in becoming a semiclone than an Echo.Yeah but that also applies to Ken and Ken's an Echo.
We were literally told that she got in because of the Ballot.
Okay, as the guy who placed Reimu at 80% when she should be closer to the 30-50% range, this is very heavily biased. Nobody is 100% likely until they're actually revealed, and going that far is just setting yourself up for disappointment.OH BOY I"M SO READY!!!
Krystal
Chance: 4%
I'm giving her higher than 1 or 2% because she was considered for Brawl, so that's something to take into consideration, but i don't think her time is now,especially with the state of Starfox. even though Atlas did good, i don't even think Krystal was in it
Want: 50%
Nothing much to say about Krystal. I will say that the Sniper Rifle she has in SSF2 is cool as all heck and we should have something like that in Smash
Bomberman
Chance: 10%
I think in terms of Popular Assist Characters, I do think Bomberman is up there, especially apprantly for tha Japanesse audience. He has legacy and it was dissapointing for him to just be an assist
I do think one thing to consider is that Konami got a BRAND NEW Costume in the form of Goemon, without getting a DLC Character, and the fact was that this came in Banjo's Pack, which was the same time where Extra DLC was revealed. If Bomberman was in the pass, one could say Goemon would be saved for his Pack
However I Don't think it deconfirms him anyway, and considering that Konami did get new characters base game, and all 3rd party costumes were DLC, it could be because of that. Kinda hard to judge.
But otherwise, I do think he has a shot, more than people are giving him
Want: 60%
I liked Playing him in SSF2 (got to play the game again soon), and he's cool. He throws Bombs. It's fun to bomb people you know.
SHADOW THE **** HEDGEHOG
Chance: 100%
Shadow is in, I tell you guys Right Fricking now. I Have talked to the universe, I've talked to myself from the future, Ive talked to all those people. I've seen the signs, I've been giving the word of Playable (Unique) Shadow since Ultimate started, where i knew my mission was to Educate the people of The coming of Shadow the Hedgehog in Smash.
He is So in, and If he's not, I will Put My own Underwear in my mouth. I've been wrong on him being base roster, But I don't think I am wrong in him being playable at all. He will be Playable
Going into more evidence for his inclusion, He's definitly One of the most popular Assist Requests and definitly has been. If you've seen all the mod videos and Miiverse Post you would know.
Sakurai has a thing for Edge like, Rival Characters. Dark Pit, Meta Knight, Wolf, etc kinda proves this, especially the former too since those are his creations. I think also it was pretty telling that he called Iori's Design, "Genius"
While Nintendo is said to choose the DLC, I think Sakurai has more of an influence then people might think, this video (Made when Joker was only DLC) explains it
Now this is not to say all the characters are choosen the same way, but I wouldn't be surprised if Like how Joker was chosen, and probably also how Terry was chosen, that there are some characters Sakurai picks himself, and Nintendo is the one just giving a Green Light.
Now Having said all that, it doesn't mean Sakurai is in love with Shadow or anything, But there is some inference to be made that he might
On the topic of his Assist Trophy, The fact he got a major upgrade in function and Animation is also something to consider, while other Old Assists did not get much of an upgrade except in necessary animations. Attention was made to get Shadow more authentic. He wasn't just cast aside or just ported. Says something
Shadow is very easy to re-purpose in terms of animations and stuff, due to already having an AT Model and also being close in physicality to Sonic. Now this doesn't mean I think he would be an echo, Far from it, I'm just saying it could be easier to develop him due to all that.
Moveset Wise, Shadow wold probably have the Flashiest moveset in the game, and among commonly speculated characters. The only characters I think could be more Flashy is Dante, Sora, and maybe Geno (cause he has all the lasers). Multi-teleports for DBZ like Combos, Chaos Spear that could be accuratle displayed in Smash in multiple Unique ways, Time stopping Shenanigans more akin to Geras from Mortal Kombat and less as a Counter move like Bayonetta, Teleportation also being mixed in for Mix-ups, like Teleporting while charging a Smash attack to counter someone attacking, The Skates on his Shoes could also be used. Perhaps one of his taunts could summon guns. His Similiarity to Sonic also could benefit him since he could get attacks like the Boost Attack, Light Speed Dash, and Black Tornado which could have unique concepts and stuff. The meter stuff from either Shadow the Hedgehog or Sonic 06 (and Sakurai actually has played those game) could be implemented as well
Sonic is an Iconic Franchise. even if some of his games have been medicore, they still have Popularity, along with Sonic still being in other media like Sonic Boom, Mobile Games, Comics, The Movie etc, and Shadow is the 2nd most popular Sonic character, and is Very Iconic Character.
There's a Mii Costume theory i have (different from the Previous Mii Costume Theory) that could point to several characters, and Shadow could Potentially be one of them, however to go into depth into that, I will come back later and post that to here
WANT: 5000000000000088309489358049503495039403909003!%
I Want Shadow so Freaking Bad. The only other Character I want as much is Goku...or Vergil, But both of those aren't happening. Dante is Cool though so I say i want him. Sora too, but Shadow over anyone else. He's one of the coolest characters ever. even if his Character in Spinoffs and the comics have not been done the most justice, He's still a Cool Presense.
I Would not want Shadow in Smash as an unique character if i didn't think he would be cool, But I honestly think he'd be one of the coolest characters Implemented into Smash. Lots of Sick moves, Lots of Swag, And that's why I got so mad when people wanted him as echo, because i felt like they were coming at my life and the life of other Shadow brothers that really wanted Shadow to be his own character. That's why for Ultimate I went to war like every week, every day it would seem during Base game Speculation.
The truth is that Along with as much I want Shadow in Smash, Talking to to others about Shadow in Smash and debating is Probably some of the most Fun I've had In my years of Living, and that is no Joke. I have gotten roasted For all me shenanigans when it came to Shadow, but I don't give no Hoots, I'm speaking the realest Thoughts. When it comes to talking about Shadow, I feel like Im the 2Pac of the Smash Community, speaking the real truth and everything. PapaGenos and Fatmanonice, they don't believe in Shadow. I don't care. I don't need any Insiders, Psuedo Insiders, Non-Credible insiders, whatever to go ahead and tell ME that Shadow is in the game, Cause i already know that he will be in this DLC. IT would help and I'll use that as evidence if that ever comes out.
I guess I should also mention that if Shadow is in (I know i said he is in, but honestly i know people are looking at me crazy so I also say if), He would probably be the last character. Shadow is very controvirsial. He's very Popular, but he also gets alot of hate.
The fact that he doesn't come form a Brand new franchise someone like Arle would, The fact that he potentially gets in over Tails, Knuckles and Eggman might also bring up Controversy, The fact that Him being an assist Trophy is something to consider, especially if Waluigi is not in. There's also the fact that Many people probably do feel he should only get in as echo, so if he got in with unique moveset, there's gonna be some complaining about how they should have use that time towards another character instead of "Black Sonic", even though Shadow is not Black Sonic. Maybe he's Sonic Black, like how Goku Black is too Goku, and that just proves my freaking Point. SHADOWSIDE!
Perhaps, Maybe I am going to far in my own hype. Don't worry I'll come back here later today and discuss all of this more.Ken's not just an Echo, though, he's the Echo. That's what everyone thinks if him as. Dark Samus is a bit of an oddity, since she has a lot to work with, but generally it makes sense for them to use their arm cannon. Just look at Sonic forward smash, or his down smash. I can't really picture Shadow doing those without breaking character. Besides, Wolf was a semiclone back in Brawl, and even Isabelle became a semiclone rather than an Echo in Ultimate. I think Shadow has more precedence in becoming a semiclone than an Echo.
Okay, as the guy who placed Reimu at 80% when she should be closer to the 30-50% range, this is very heavily biased. Nobody is 100% likely until they're actually revealed, and going that far is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
You forget about Daisy. It makes no sense at all to see her float or use Toad, and yet...Ken's not just an Echo, though, he's the Echo. That's what everyone thinks if him as. Dark Samus is a bit of an oddity, since she has a lot to work with, but generally it makes sense for them to use their arm cannon. Just look at Sonic forward smash, or his down smash. I can't really picture Shadow doing those without breaking character. Besides, Wolf was a semiclone back in Brawl, and even Isabelle became a semiclone rather than an Echo in Ultimate. I think Shadow has more precedence in becoming a semiclone than an Echo.
Okay, as the guy who placed Reimu at 80% when she should be closer to the 30-50% range, this is very heavily biased. Nobody is 100% likely until they're actually revealed, and going that far is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
To be fair, she at least visually matches Daisy. If I remember correctly, Sakurai said she was added because he felt sorry for her not getting much Mario appearances...You forget about Daisy. It makes no sens at all to see her float or use Toad, and yet...
I wonder how many of these characters actually have support threads. I have no clue who the likes of Nate Adams and Alex Mason are so I think it's likely they atleast don't have one.Concept: A non-white/Asian human character x225
Tidus x200
Moogle x175
Nate Adams x170
Concept: A non-videogame character gets a Mii Costume x160
[Rerate] Ezio x150
Shuichi Saihara x146
150 - 101
Alex Mason x135
[Rerate] Frisk x125
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x121
The Stretchers x120
D.Va x115
Zelda (BotW sequel) x110
Red (Angry Birds) x110
Billy Hatcher x110
Concept: Content from currently unreleased game (not Spirit Events) (as of May 17th 2020) x105
100 - 51
Echo: Xion (Sora) x90
Sakura Shinguji x90
[Rerate] Monster Hunter x85
Concept: Deltarune content x81
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Sackboy x80
Riptor x80
Fulgore x79
Proto Man x75
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x75
Klonoa x75
Boss: Ender Dragon x73
[Rerate] Prince of All Cosmos x70
The Terrarian x65
Concept: Rocket League rep x65
Concept: Shin Megami Tensei rep x65
Echo: Dark Bowser (Bowser) x57
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x55
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x54
50 - 25
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x50
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x50
Giygas x47
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x45
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x45
Gooigi x45
[Rerate] Concept: Boss Rush x45
Dr. Goomba Tower x45
Austin the Butler (Gardenscapes) x40
Echo: Lord Fredrik (King K. Rool) x39
Stage: Bowser's Castle x38
The Bard (Wandersong) x35
Concept: Returning stages x31
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is half Nintendo and half third party x30
Urbosa x30
[Rerate] Monokuma x30
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Rival Pokémon Trainer x25
Concept: Dark Souls rep x25
Magolor x25
[Rerate] Maxwell x25
Amiya (Arknights) x25
Under 25
John Marston x23
Jin Sakai x20
Jason Frudnick & SOPHIA x20
Yoshimitsu x20
Black Shadow x20
Neptune (Hyperdimension Neptunia) x20
Lora and Jin x20
Boss: Rayquaza x19
Echo (Olimar) x16
Zeraora x15
Wolf Link x15
Concept: FP2 character comes with an Echo Fighter x15
Hades (Kid Icarus) x15
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x15
Cynthia x15
Concept: Fighter Pass 2 gets delayed x15
Taranza x11
Gran/Djeeta x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Concept: Bravely Default rep x10
Medusa (Kid Icarus) x10
Vi (Bug Fables) x10
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x10
Tetra x10
Chell x8
Mii Costume: Jacket x7
Concept: A Microsoft rep that isn't Steve or Master Chief x7
Concept: Darkstalkers rep x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Concept: Fortnite character x5
Cooking Mama x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
Asuka (Senran Kagura) x5
Furret x5
Deku Scrub x5
Mii Costume: Edward Falcon x5
Concept: A LABO character x5
Concept: Bonus character x5
Concept: No AT promotions x5
[Rerate] Morrigan Aensland x5
[Rerate] Cadence x5
Octoling x5
Kazuya Mishima x5
Excitebiker x5
Zero (Mega Man) x5
Gil (Babylonian Castle Saga/The Tower of Druaga) x5
Ghirahim x5
Concept: Generic Zora x3
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2
Concept: Generic Goron x2
Kass x1
Ezio climbs past Shuichi Saihara but Concept: A non-videogame character gets a Mii Costume passes them both. The Concept ends the day in fifth place, Ezio in sixth and Shuichi in seventh.
Amiya reaches 25 noms.
Today's newcomer are both Zelda characters, fitting yesterday's topic. We have Ghirahim, with 5 noms, and Kass, with just 1.
youll find the link to the thread in my sigI have no clue who the likes of Nate Adams