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[Kantrip]

also reading back I'm noticing that fanny did create the bwolf wagon, and then I hitched up and pulled that thing

just gotta say bragging wise my reads have been pretty good this game. My play not so much, but good to see my reads improving

I think I want J dead

 

[Kantrip]

wow J y u white knight brah

bwolf scummeh still

but its sexy that he likes my personality

sorry bro but im taken

wow j was totally trying to ****block the bwolf wagon so hard

while drunk and his judgement was impaired and he didn't realize blatantly defending your mate is a bad idea

 

[#HBC | J]

I love being open, but you know what I don't love?

you playing up how disappointed you were with the D1 mislynch
you calling bw your biggest townread and making a weird statement about not wanting to explain townreads but then doing so when raz asks
your questions at no hetero that looked like they weren't leading to reading them at all
the way you flipped raz to a townread at a random time while interacting with him
you admitting to posturing then asking dietz why it's scummy when his case honestly had merit
your AtE when you're scum in general
the way you were all "I hope I get killed" yesterDay
how easily you entertained my wild theory since it didn't put you on the chopping block

This'll be quick.

Wasn't playing up the D1 mislynch. It was bull and I wasn't there to the play I was directing/light managing went on that weekend.
Explaining town-reads is pointless unless pressured/asked by other players. I explained in detail this case and do this with any game.
How?
The read clicked in my head. How was it random?
Posturing =/= scummy. His case was an overblown gripe with play over what was actually scummy with me.
I don't AtE as scum in general. I am a theatre major and love the power of emotions. Especially because my minor is the Psychology: Focus in Human Emotion
Well yeah, I was hoping I would have been killed. I am the last power player left in this game (Marshy/Circus/Gheb are all dead) and that's when the paranoia theories come around which get me killed 9/10 times. (other 1/10 is an investigative condemning me in some way)
Of course I will entertain your wild theory. That's me trying to survive and not lose the game based on my town-lynch. If there is any hope in not lynching me, it lies in you since Fanny is scum and Ashy is blinding herself to me being the final scummer.

 

[Kantrip]

Deadline is tonight?

I'n ****racrd, so hopefuly my vot goes through.

Vote: BadWOLF

Idk if that will work yolo #peace

wow joey totally pulled this with both scum lynches

slipping his vote on there at the last minute

hero status

 

[#HBC | J]

Open. Your. God. Damn. ****ing. Minds.

You are wrong on your scum-read on me. Both you and Ashy. Do not lose this game on my lynch when you are just being inept to looking at Fanny as the final scum. I will open your eyes, I just need time.

 

[Kantrip]

Make a case on fanny or assume I will vote you before deadline

I will not be swayed by any manner of AtE

I will only be swayed by hard facts and convincing that fanny is scum over you

 

[Kantrip]

because I'll be damned if his play didn't improve after I called him out D1, and he did get the bwolf wagon rolling so I gotta give him props for that

what dirt you got on him?

 

[#HBC | J]

Well I am going back through D1 deleting my information that makes me believe Joey/Ashy is town so the post will be easier to come about.

 

[Kantrip]

it'll take something real damn special to convince me that the ash/joey slot is scum

 

[Kantrip]

Well I am going back through D1 deleting my information that makes me believe Joey/Ashy is town so the post will be easier to come about.

wait since when did you have information in D1 that made you believe Joey/Ashy are town in the first place?

You thought Joey was scum back then, mister

 

[#HBC | J]

I am not doing that...?

I am saying Fanny is the final scum and I started my re-read doing an Ashy vs. Fanny, but it just turned into "This is why Fanny is definitely scum".

 

[Kantrip]

oh okay carry on

 

[#HBC | J]

wait since when did you have information in D1 that made you believe Joey/Ashy are town in the first place?

You thought Joey was scum back then, mister

Exactly, re-reading with the scum-team flipped and knowing nearly every players alignments, I see where Joey is town. If you want, after my Fanny case, I will do a "why Joey is town" if that will get you the hell off of me and onto Fanny.

 

[#HBC | J]

Out of game comment:

Seriously, **** this multi-quoting. It is seriously the biggest pain to do this and SWF needs to create a way to do this better. I miss the old format.

 

[#HBC | J]

Question to Ashy/Kanty:

When looking for connections, did you look at just Fanny's posts or BW/NH's posts?

 

[#HBC | J]

On pg 22. Still re-reading and grabbing quotes. Just got to Kanty's explosion again. Seriously, definitely not scum with NH. Same with his disconnections to BW.

Joey is not scum with NH nor BW either. Like I am nearly 100% on this.

Fanny is definitely it.

 

[Ashemu]

Looking at this on paper, though *being laid out*, actually doesn't seem to bad of a set-up.

nah scum get totally destroyed by prs and crossfire lol

im back, i recently subbed in2 a game offsite so i was focussing on that, ill post though.

 

[Ashemu]

hahaha

it actually makes me feel better about you (im just gonna read the rest of the Day and see how this plays out to make sure theres no connection that jumps out at me) because calling a scum mate your biggest townread and explaining it like this is something I don't know that people would just do out of the blue

this is literally my scum meta on my main forum ~_~ reading js bwolf defense it wasnt even that good, i felt he was invokign what ive tried 2 invoke

 

[#HBC | J]

vote: Joey

I town read Kantrip. If my lynch will keep him around since the case on him is a connection case with me if I recall correctly, then lynch me first, especially with me being the back up and the guaranteed lynch tomorrow. If I flip scum, jump all over Kantrip. No reason to go deep on him if you're jusy assuming I'm scum and just delaying my lynch by a day and making Rake find a replacement for my slot for no reason.

This post is so bad. Ugh. Why would a town member say "IF I flip SCUM" when he knows that he is town. If we lose the game to Ashy, it will be because of this post. I am choosing to let it slide but it irks me to no end.

 

[Ashemu]

indie fanny w no scum bp is stupid and not happening. sry kant

 

[Ashemu]

This post is so bad. Ugh. Why would a town member say "IF I flip SCUM" when he knows that he is town. If we lose the game to Ashy, it will be because of this post. I am choosing to let it slide but it irks me to no end.

becauece hes speaking about a hypothetical situation, not about reality

 

[Ashemu]

Question to Ashy/Kanty:

When looking for connections, did you look at just Fanny's posts or BW/NH's posts?

i looked at all four of you + surrounding posts for context. id think this is pretyt obvious from my posts...

 

[Ashemu]

@ Kantrip
for real, mafia goon / lawyer vs a BUFFED COP, tracker and jailkeeper with the risk of crossfire is just not fair on the scumteam. once one scum is dead, getting hit by ANY power role ****s them up, and with no bp theyre at risk of losing that first member to the sk at all times. furthemrore, odd factional mechanics like poisoner juts arent probable in a vanilla-themed set-up like this, if they are the game tends 2 be adveritsed as ******* or experimental, or just with the mechanics revaeald up front

the fact that j seriously tried to jump on this as a "plausible set-up" makes me think he is really desperate scum. becaues if hes maf he needs you to buy super amazing scum-ashemu or sk-fanny and no scum to win.

 

[Ashemu]

lol why is b*stard filtered on a mafia forum

do u guys hate swords????

 

[Ashemu]

@Fandangox are u still alive duder

 

[#HBC | J]

Ashy, I am not even considering you as scum. Stop.

 

[Ashemu]

just saying if you are town you should stop the AtE toward me for suspcecting you because it really feels like you are trying to bully me out of making the right decisoin.

 

[#HBC | J]

Are you a blonde, Ashy? Kind of joking but actually kind of serious. You say that Fanny has no connections to BW/NH, yet you actually brought up Fanny being connected to BW/NH first yet toDay. Regardless, I plan to bring it back up again.

 

[Kantrip]

yeah i didnt like how fast j entertained my conspiracy theories

they're a thing i do that generally get ignored as me being silly and i thought i'd pull one out to try to fit things together, didn't expect him to consider it so much

 

[#HBC | J]

just saying if you are town you should stop the AtE toward me for suspcecting you because it really feels like you are trying to bully me out of making the right decisoin.

I am trying to bully you. That is what a town member should do when they are about to be lynched. I am not just going to passively let you guys assume I am the last scum-mate and lose the game. **** outta here with saying AtE is scummy because it seriously is 100% not.

 

[Ashemu]

you and fanny both have connections to bw/nh. i think yours are scummier than his.

 

[Kantrip]

I'll wait for J to post his case

and @Fandangox to respond to it

and then me and ashy will talk a bit

and then we'll hopefully one-two punch scum right out of here

 

[Kantrip]

J THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING

stop using AtE to convince us you're a bad lynch

use any more underhanded tactics and justify it as "town wants to live right now too" and I will vote you

 

[Kantrip]

this is literally my scum meta on my main forum ~_~ reading js bwolf defense it wasnt even that good, i felt he was invokign what ive tried 2 invoke

yeah im changing my mind on that

the way he tried to say "can we stop wagoning badwolf" when he started getting pressure just reeked of deterring the wagon away from a scum mate

 

[Ashemu]

waht really bugs me about the way j is posting is that i feel he is trying to appeal to doubt and paranoia instead of just giving a hard case why a fanny lynch is worth considering. when somebody posts "fanny doesnt NEED to look scummier than me to be the scum" they start to seem desperate. obviously from his pov that's true if he really is town but how is it going to make us vote fanny? given that he took issue with me blankly stating "joeys obvtown" its downright hypocritical to turn around and do this

as town j just needs to explain why fanny is scum, because if he buys into town-ashemu then thats the truth. as scum he has to prop up his case and force doubt because he knows it is not the truth. especially given that both of us are currently biased against him

ill listen to what he has to say about fanny but this leaves a very poor taste in my mouth.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm not using AtE. If I am, I'm sorry but not sorry because seriously this is how I talk. This is how I play. This is known on this site. Stop trying to condemn me for an action that isn't scummy. If you lynch me off of poor reasoning, then so be it. I will not gripe over that fact since I feel I played a decent game and mainly losing due to the fact this is LyLo and you have decided to put your pants on your head and call me scum after calling me town for nearly the entire ****ing game. Both you and Ashy have got into your head that this paranoia theory that I am scum.

I will be working on my case, but stop trying to act all big and mighty because you feel you have caught Jscum when in reality you are wrong. I will debate on the with you guys with hard evidence but no one has come up with an actual case as to why I am scum besides "This feels like bussing/distancing" when there is no way for me to defend myself against actions that other slots did.

Yes, I misread BadWolf and called him town. I know him in real life and read his play as towny due to his aggression towards Gorf and because of the fact that I was looking at other people at the time. Even reading his posts now, I still do not see why everyone had him as SUPER OBVSCUM. His play wasn't that scummy but mainly just bad and Badwolf seriously gets lynched every game he is in unless he is a PR. I was seeing BadWolf as badtown>scum. I picked the wrong side of the fence to be on, but that is no reason to condemn my slot for one ****ing read. I was a big pusher of the No Hetero lynch and I also SAVED your(Kantrip) on D3 from being lynched by talking with you and trying to calm you down to get a better read. No where did I give indication that I was switching to you in the argument. Plus people were wanting to switch from your Kantrip vs. Marshy debate to Joey but I stopped that push and kept the argument centered around No Hetero and You. If I was scum, I would have just lynched you on D3 after your pathetic self-vote or just let the wagon on Joey continue then deal with you/NH the next day and then lynch you for the win with NH.

So where is the case and connections on me? I have no direct connection to NH unless you want to assume that I was bussing him which is faulty logic and then there is the BW read for which if that is main reason you guys want to lynch me, there is nothing I can defend from that. I truly thought he was town and misread him, that's it. If I missed anything on either of your's/Ashy's "qualms" let me know and I will adresse them, but more now there is nothing for me to respond to from either of you guys until more concrete evidence is presented as to why I am scum. You guys are letting Fanny sit in the backseat and just do all the work for him while he continues to lurk again for the upteenth time this game on a lynch.

I have a copious amounts of problems with both of your play, but the thing that I am stopping myself from delving into it is that both of you have been cleared due to NAs/etc.

Regardless, I am done talking to either of you until I am done my case on Fanny. Neither of you seem to be willing to listen until I provide my case so be it. I am in the process of making it so I will continue.

 

[Ashemu]

"hard evidence" #NoHetero

my case has always been that fanny makes more sense as the final townie than you do based on interactions. if you want to win then thats the best venue to attack

 

[Ashemu]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[#HBC | J]

Case is almost done. Been working on it all night.

 

[Ashemu]

@Fandangox why have you been viewing for like an hour w/o posting (im assuming youre not writing a huge post given your style so far this game buuut)