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[Ashemu]

Yeah, but the fact is your logic when connecting me is incorrect since you are trying to force my puzzle piece into the scum puzzle.

it might seem like that but really i try to force both pieces into the puzzle and see what fits better.

 

[Ashemu]

ohhhh no >_<

i may be overthinking this but i just realized that j thinking lawyers can frame people could be a townslip.

##Unvote

 

[Ashemu]

@J

why did you want bp/fanny dead over my slot here before i had rly posted anything?

 

[Ashemu]

its possible that "adrenaline mafia" would be a poisoner instead of a straight up scumvig

 

[Ashemu]

its cool how no matter who teh actual mafia is ill have made myself look like an idiot multiple times this game.

 

[Ashemu]

i went thru d4 again and read j's #777 for real, im feeling a bit more indecisive still, i think j just makes the most sense at mafia still when you consider scum as a team. i guess im just going to not touch the lawyer thing since its total wifom. ill wait to hear what j/fanny have to say before revoting

 

[#HBC | J]

Phone-post:

ToDay's lynch should be between BP or Fanny. Don't know which way I lean, but I am gonna re-read. Ashy is the only person I would consider scum after those two. I feel mainly I could have been tunnel-visioned on the slot, but if i had to choose out of Ruy/Kanty/Ashy, Ashy is the dead one.

Also not vigilante either.

Fanny's last post is my least favorite of them all so far toDay.

@ Ashemu : I say why in the post. I felt I was tunneling Joey's (your) slot and blinded myself to the other two. I had also re-read during the night phase and Fanny/BP were the ones that came up most likely to be scum. BP had the most evidence pointing to them being the scum-mate between Fanny/BP but now that BP flipped town due to my personal PoE, it's Fanny>Ashy>Kanty in that order.

Kanty brought up NL'ing. The only thing that would accomplish is Kanty dieing. He's the only one keeping an open mind to who could be scum and due to his miller claim/interactions with NH, he's the least likely to be scum. The LyLo would be J/Fanny/Ashy and I would probably cry, a lot. Mainly because it would be an uphill battle to destroy the logic of Fanny/Ashy to show that I am actually town.

I'm pretty convinced Fanny is the final scum. Like 85% with 14% for Ashy and then 1% on the possibility that Kanty is playing a really good game as scum.

 

[Kantrip]

guys settle down with the votes we're still talking, sweet jesus

 

[Kantrip]

so J can you refresh me why you initially thought (yesterDay or whenever that was) fanny couldn't be on the scum team?

It was disconnects with bwolf, right?

 

[Kantrip]

ohhhh no >_<

i may be overthinking this but i just realized that j thinking lawyers can frame people could be a townslip.

##Unvote

and you correcting him and knowing for sure that they can't

is a scumslip

 

[Kantrip]

gosh knowing ruy was legit

and seeing a miller and a lawyer working against the cop

im starting to get really paranoid of a ninja and ash is getting impatient and constantly harping on how obvtown joey was, it's making me nervous

 

[Ashemu]

and you correcting him and knowing for sure that they can't

is a scumslip

orrrr i might just know what roles do. are you serious here?

 

[Kantrip]

Did you really just list his "creative" shtick as a reason to vote him?

Your points 2 and 5 are the same thing, care to elaborate on why you thought it was bad reasoning? Yes I think its important.

What about Gorf D2 makes you like him better than in D1?

if this is distancing it's damn good

hmm

 

[Kantrip]

orrrr i might just know what roles do. are you serious here?

the emoticon was supposed to show that I wasn't serious

I was merely parodying your point

 

[#HBC | J]

It was disconnects with bwolf, right?

Exactly.

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually, that exact post you brought up had me believing that the disconnect was real.

 

[Kantrip]

Exactly.

he's your #1 suspect now though, right?

so like, is it PoE that made you revisit the disconnects and decide it could have been distancing?
Or do you still think him being scum with badwolf doesn't make much sense?

 

[#HBC | J]

Him with BW does not make sense at all to me. I am mainly looking at him through PoE. He could be scum with NH though. It's also the fact that Fanny has done absolutely nothing this game that irks me more than anything. I have yet to do my re-read of Fanny, but at this current juncutre I do think Fanny is more likely to flip scum out of the two.

Ashy's play toDay is terrible though. It's contradicting nearly everything she did yesterDay.

 

[Ashemu]

the emoticon was supposed to show that I wasn't serious

I was merely parodying your point

this misses the point of why teh point dosent work though... if j is scum than lawyers effect would be fresh in his mind, its not really comparable, the reason my point is dumb is bc its just wifom and requires outguessing whether j would fake that as scum or not

 

[Ashemu]

Ashy's play toDay is terrible though. It's contradicting nearly everything she did yesterDay.

theres no scum benefit in being inconsistent here.

its also not terrible if im right ^_^

 

[#HBC | J]

Through my eyes, it is terrible because I know you are wrong. =P

 

[#HBC | J]

@ Kantrip :

I am reading, but I had a quick question. Am I reading your subtext correctly? Y/N? *Regarding toDay* Being ambiguous to see if you are getting what I mean. I do not think I agree with you, but if you talk about it I am willing to listen.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ashy, you in the thread for a bit? Let's talk if you can stick around.

 

[Kantrip]

There's no subtext

 

[#HBC | J]

There's no subtext

Welp. That's boring.

*continues to dig*

 

[Kantrip]

however I do have a kantrip konspiracy theory for you!

I hate fanny but agree with the disconnect so I don't think he's mafia

By PoE/Occam's Razor that would make you (J) mafia. And if there has been a subtext, it has been hinting at this with my admittedly loaded questions towards you about your flip of opinion on fanny

However, I hate fanny and don't actually hate you all that much.

What if we're dealing with a 2-man mafia team that uses poison for their Night kill?
And a serial killer?

Night 1 there was 1 death: SK did it
Night 2 there was 1 death: either the poisoner was blocked N1 by Raz, the poisonee was protected by Raz, or the SK was blocked N2 by Raz, or the target of the SK was protected by Raz. 4 possibilities for why there was only 1 kill N2
Night 3 there was 2 deaths, yet both mafia members were already dead!: 1 was the poison kicking in from NH the Night before, the other was the SK.
Night 4 there was 1 death: Only the SK since the mafia were dead

This theory is pretty out there but it does allow me to put my biggest (and really only) scumread as scum without putting him on a team that makes sense, and also explains the night kill situation pretty well

I haven't seen or come up with anything else that can do both of those

 

[Kantrip]

x1 Mafia Lawyer - NH
x1 Mafia Goon - bwolf

x1 Ninja Serial Killer - fanny

x1 Town Cop - bardullsoup
x1 Town Tracker - ruy
x1 Town Jailer - raz
x1 Town Miller - kantrip
x6 VT - everyone else

 

[#HBC | J]

*pats Kanty with his tinfoil hat*

Here's a quick hint: Usually jailers/docs cannot protect from poisoning. There has to be a poison "curer" of some sort. Bear and Fish mafia had an example of this. Only way to "protect" from a poison is to RB them. Phoenix Wright mafia also had it and so did FF:Redux *where I was the Indy Poisoner*

What if I told you that Fanny is scummy regardless of connections? We truly do not have to "connect" him to the scum-team because that is how some players play the game is by not interacting with their scum-team and just playing the game by themselves. You and Ashy are looking who fits as the "perfect candidate" but that hardly is ever the case. Kantrip, I am reading Tranquility mafia knowing that you and your scum-team had fantastic distancing and bussing. Some things just don't make sense but I will put that to rest when I am done. I am already pretty convinced that I have found things to hang Fanny for based purely off D1 and things to save Joey from D1. Some points stronger than others while others are weaker.

 

[#HBC | J]

x1 Mafia Lawyer - NH
x1 Mafia Goon - bwolf
x1 Ninja Serial Killer - fanny

x1 Town Cop - bardullsoup
x1 Town Tracker - ruy
x1 Town Jailer - raz
x1 Town Miller - kantrip
x6 VT - everyone else

Looking at this on paper, though *being laid out*, actually doesn't seem to bad of a set-up.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kanty, do you remember your initial suspicions of Fanny from D1?

 

[Kantrip]

well then the jailer didn't save the target of poison

still could have blocked the poisoner N1, blocked the SK N2, or saved the SK target N2

besides, my whole point was to find a scenario in which all the Night Kills make sense and fanny scum makes sense

because he's the conclusion I keep coming to. If you or ash are scum, you majorly played me.

 

[Kantrip]

Kanty, do you remember your initial suspicions of Fanny from D1?

I do, and they never really went away, though disconnects to the scum team and other people thinking I was being silly made me put it on the back-burner

I'm telling you, the Night Kills are out of whack this game, and a 3-man mafia team with a serial killer is really harsh on town.

My proposed set-up is a wild tinfoil hat theory but it fits, y'know?

 

[#HBC | J]

Tinfoil theory, yes. Plausible? Possible.

Fanny is the final scum. So tempted to vote him and call it done. I have to convince Ashy though (unless she's the final scum and just hammers him).

Btw, if you hate walls, sorry, but it's the end of the game and it's time to win.

 

[Kantrip]

Wolfy is town. Explanation when prodded but strongest town-read at the moment.

was skimming the thread and just wanted to pull this up so I can laugh at J

 

[#HBC | J]

Playing with people you know IRL on forum mafia is truly a handicap more then a help it seems. It's also why me and Sang always want to lynch each other every game because we talk every day.

 

[Kantrip]

His posts are honest and what I know of the person behind the keyboard. His thoughts have a clear precise way about them and do not hold scum-intent. The only thing he is lacking is the intiative to truly push his own reads but BW is a bit of a newer player so I doubt he will because he gets beaten down by players unfairly. I would also like to note that in his catch-up posts he goes into detail as to why he likes things. He is also calm this game (ignore his post outburts towards SWF eating his posts) which means I feel he isn't rigid while playing. Badwolf as scum is easy to read (which is why he is lynched quickly as scum) the fact he has survived this far without any pressure or anyone wanting him dead should be indication enough that he is town (in my eyes). So compared to the rest of the cast which can become harder to read, I like him the most. More meta-reliant, but that is what happens when you play with someone who you went to high school with and introduced to mafia and forum mafia. I know BW the best and I will say that with confidence.

hahaha

it actually makes me feel better about you (im just gonna read the rest of the Day and see how this plays out to make sure theres no connection that jumps out at me) because calling a scum mate your biggest townread and explaining it like this is something I don't know that people would just do out of the blue

then again, you do pride yourself in doing things that people don't expect as scum

 

[Kantrip]

Your townread on Badwolf seems slightly suspicious to me, cause its entirely meta, and I'd look at your slot again if Badwolf is scum.

Vote: Badwolf

This was @J

and this was the first of Badwolf suspicion being raised

after J's pretty wild strongest townread on him

so I'm pretty comfortable in saying this is not fanny distancing, and his statement about J does have me perking my ears

 

[#HBC | J]

It's only because I know my scum and town meta and love messing with both of them. I have done some really....different things as scum.

Mainly using my mafia execution role to execute my scum-partner D1 or fake-claim investigatives and get away with it.

The more I type this, the more I realize this may not help my case, but I'm okay with being open with Kanty.

 

[Kantrip]

also reading Joey's play around that time in the game makes me feel okay too

so now I'm really just weighing between mafia J and indy fanny

@ Ashemu

This would be a good time for you to come in and give some input before I go crazy running my mind around in circles

Mafia J or indy fanny?

 

[Kantrip]

It's only because I know my scum and town meta and love messing with both of them. I have done some really....different things as scum.

Mainly using my mafia execution role to execute my scum-partner D1 or fake-claim investigatives and get away with it.

The more I type this, the more I realize this may not help my case, but I'm okay with being open with Kanty.

I love being open, but you know what I don't love?

you playing up how disappointed you were with the D1 mislynch
you calling bw your biggest townread and making a weird statement about not wanting to explain townreads but then doing so when raz asks
your questions at no hetero that looked like they weren't leading to reading them at all
the way you flipped raz to a townread at a random time while interacting with him
you admitting to posturing then asking dietz why it's scummy when his case honestly had merit
your AtE when you're scum in general
the way you were all "I hope I get killed" yesterDay
how easily you entertained my wild theory since it didn't put you on the chopping block