Final case: Why Fanny is scum and dies toDay.
So let me begin this case with saying that I will be bringing up a lot of Fanny's personal posts but also posts from deceased townies and deceased mafia members that I felt relevant to showing why Fanny actually is scum and to show that Fanny actually does in fact connect to BadWolf and No Hetero. I will then present a final defense of my slot and why I am town and not the final mafiosi. Some posts need more explanation and if I say to click the quote, please follow the arrow to the post because there is quote within the quote that needs to be read.
Click the arrow. A simple what, but the fact is Fanny is deliberately drawing attention to the fact of Bardull crumbing a PR in the early phases of the game. No one else decided to mention it, but what does a towny gain from pushing someone who has is deliberately crumbing a PR? Nothing. The logic behind doing this for a pro-town reason drives nothing. Was there something scummy about the PR crumbing? If so, why did Fanny not bring this up? Also if Fanny was a PR he could say that he was looking at someone possibly fake-crumbing a role he had, but the fact is Fanny is a VT as he claimed so there is no real logic behind pushing this as an avenue of discussion and looks like scum trying to get more information out of something that should not be touched.
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Raziek you said that those were very balid points, thus implying it was not a RVS vote, but when asked about it you said it was? So what is it? Why do you think his points are valid, or not depending on the context?
Kanty said:
"Take a look at this question. He's asking it because he was prompted by someone else (us in this case) and is basically just rewording what we said in question format. This isn't scumhunting, this is just looking for an easy question to ask to look proactive!"
(I'm concerned that you're slinging mud for things that never happened or seem self evident when there's valid things to question Raz about already on the table to turn to if you were to choose to further the questioning of Raz. We questioned Raz because we wondered why he wasn't commenting on other things we thought were more useful, choosing to follow joke RVS instead. Not because we thought the idea of him saying quips about Canadian bacon "were valid" were truly serious or scummy by nature, that seems like quite a reach at the moment to swing that far and I'm surprsied you made it.)
These series of posts hold weight incredibly much so. At the time of Fanny's post, Raziek had garnered two votes from Kanty and Joey. (ironically, both slots still here). Fanny did not come to these conclusions by himself but through Kanty's case on Raz early on and decided to hop on the bandwagon. As Kanty phrases it, Fanny is not scum-hunting he is just asking questions to ask questions.
Let me go a little more into this segment which I plan to touch on later. Fanny does this consistently throughout the entire game. He merely asks questions to ask questions and when he follows up with them, they go nowhere but lead to a fence sitty response and continues to just be null on nearly everything in the game. A factoid that needs to be shown in this set of questions would be that Fanny is just parroting that of Kanty at the time. Fanny does a lot this game to "look proactive" but that is all he is doing. He is creating this facade of asking questions and scum-hunting and it's incredibly fake.
BP brings up the point and drives it home harder with the fact of what Fanny chooses to hone in on. He doesn't choose to hone in on the meat on the situation but chooses to hone in on the RVS questions and the validity of it. It reeks of phoniness and trying to join the popular push at the time. He is making a reach to try and push Raz on baseless grounds. Albeit, it is D1 but looks opportunistic to try and get some pressure on a slot early on.
Next, I found a super curious post by BW that connects BW+Fanny together before the debacle of whether Fanny can be connected due to his push on BW.
Right target, wrong reasoning. Idk whether bad play or bad acting.
This kinda helps I suppose? I really don't like that it took this long to consolidate your thoughts on him, but I'll take it for now. Null on KWK.
Read through the entirety of the rest of it. Meh, it's basically restating everything I've heard.
Unvote
Vote: KWK
Leaving my vote there for a while.
Re-reading walls was a pain but finding this gem truly stands out. Talking about the bolded where Badwolf precisely says that Fanny is a "right target" but there is "wrong reasoning" to it. This is the first and one of the only times that BW mentions Fanny on D1. The point I want to drive here is the fact that BadWolf seems to be pointing his nose towards a scum-read on Fanny but does not make mention of it nor say anything really regarding Fanny. Then instead of pursuing Fanny like his logic presented suggests (right target = scum read) he chooses to put his vote on Kanty for no reason especially when he was "null" on the slot. Why did BW not put a vote onto Fanny considering his wording and feeling that Fanny was a "right target" to pursue. This looks like distancing from BW to try and subtly give his opinion on Fanny but just leaves it to sit there and does nothing. He says "wrong reasoning" but where is the reasoning faulty? What is the right reasoning? He has Fanny in the background but actively ignores going more into detail of him at the time of his post. Another note to be had is that he brought Fanny up in this response, but throughout the entire post he fails to mention Fanny anywhere but makes mention to bring up everyone else who had posted at the time.
Next let's move onto something regarding NH and Fanny during D1:
Except, sweetums, and I don't mean to be coarse in my discussion with you, but if there's a cop at all, maybe he isn't going to counterclaim in the first Day when he could just lynch Bard for being obviously scummy. See: Jerksauce's argument that no cop would ever crumb this way. To see how true this is, look at Brett Hull's reasoning for having done so:.
Do you really think Cop would CC day 1?
It could be a condition to use the role (leaving the crumb I mean) but if its not then I see no reason why a cop would leave such a crumb in Day 1.
Two points here:
Why did Fanny bring up quite literally the exact same thing No Hetero did a couple posts up? My thoughts: Fanny is not really reading what No Hetero is posting in the thread because of the fact that he knows his alignment and is skimming.
*Side-point*
Fanny has been skimming, a lot this game. He continuously asks the same questions and does nothing with them. It goes back to the point I brought up earlier in this post where Fanny is legitimately just phoning in questions to make it look like he is doing things to seem proactive. This can be expressed in detail where he asks me constantly to answer his question on why I read BW as town, but I had already done so in a copious amounts of ways and even writing paragraphs as to why, yet he continues to ignore it and continues to just ask the question as if I never answered it. I have been asking him for a couple day phases now as to what he does not like about my answers to his question yet he just keeps saying "I don't like them" over and over without even going into what he doesn't like about them. I present the challenge to anyone to bring up at least 3 examples of Fanny following up on his questions or scum-reads to a good degree of understanding.
*End Side-point*
If Fanny truly thought his last line where he believed he saw no reason why a cop would leave a crumb like that D1, it makes the point even stronger on my first quote that Fanny was bringing up the post Bardull made to draw attention to the fact that Bardull was crumbing PR. He says he sees no reason to believe why a cop would leave such a crumb on D1 which is throwing more FUD towards the slot without providing reason why the slot is scummy. He seems to be boosting the point No Hetero was trying to make and keep Soup open as an open to lynch in the end of D1 if it came down to it and truly was a bad push at Bardull to keep his name in the ringer for a lynch.
There were two sides to this camp and it was "Bardull is bad-town who crumbed a PR obviously" which had J/Circus/Kanty promoting this while the other side had No Het/Fanny/Ruy pushing the other direction. It really makes me feel Fanny is scum with No Hetero trying to push the fact that Bardull was cop and they could get his ML easy due to his terrible play.
Now, a history lesson. Do either of you two remember the time Fanny was actually being considered for the D1 lynch? If not, let me refresh you.
Vote: Fanny
basically fallback + the bonus of early qualms
will settle for other good suggestions if we can get a lynch over a no lynch
I'd do fanny as well if we needed a fallback.
Vote: Fanny
Fanny was beginning to attract votes from other people, but who comes to his rescue to deter the wagon as soon as he sees it begin to accumulate pressure?
Fanny took time to get going on AiB, like Razzle-Dazzle does here. I think he's trying and will have more meat when the game sees more death. Paw Paw is a better compromise on a not-Supes wagon if that's how it has to be.
Bingo! No Hetero! No Hetero had no opinion of Fanny whatsoever throughout the Day phase and actually had not commented on the pressure that he had garnered from the early dayphase and just says "Give him more time" and begins to suggest the Pawn lynch which ends up being the ML of the DayPhase. This begs a very interesting question.
Why does No Hetero feel the need to come in and defend Fanny?
My thoughts on the matter is that No Hetero was defending his scum-buddy from possibly being lynched D1 and used Pawn as a scape-goat to deter the pressure of this wagon.
Not sure why Fan is being suggested as a fall-back lynch, that slot delivers. (See: F&L2)
Razzy also brings up that he doesn't get the Fan wagon but the way he has been commenting on Fanny and even said that he didn't get the early pressure on him from the beginning so this lines up with his thoughts rather than No Hetero just coming in to sway the lynch away from Fan.
But, I want to talk about the bolded. Razzy actually brings up a good point here that Fanny, as town, does deliver later on in the dayphases when he is town and plays that way. This game, he has been content to sit on reads and not do much of anything to push scum or his reads. He sits in the background and lets others do the work for him. (I.e. His BW push which was actually Kanty's push>His) Fanny has done nothing of significance this game. He has not delivered at all. This is a meta point, but also a point of legit scum behavior where he does not do anything relevant.
Question: Can either of you two bring up valid examples of Fanny doing his own scum-hunting and bringing up things to the table? Which side of the coin does he fall onto: Saying and Acting upon or Saying things, but lacks Action? The answer I feel is the latter which is presented in his play this game.
Summing up this point, Fanny has not delivered this game at all and has been contently the backgrounder of the entire game and has been skating by ever since the pressure on him dropped on D1. He did a mini push on BW but continued to be a sideliner to every discussion and failed to pursue things on his own.
I even brought up this point in D2 regarding his play and find it increasingly relevant to bring up:
@
Kantrip
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-Masquerain- @
Fandangox
Talk, give scum-reads, stop not being here. *
TO Fanny, I want you to do more yourself and actually pursue a read or something*
I make a point to seperate Fanny from the others because of the inactivity and also the fact that Fanny is not doing anything himself but just sitting around not pursuing anything. Whenever he would come into the thread he would just ask questions, but not follow up much on anything.
This is the post I get from Fanny:
That's it? What about his #205 Where he votes KWK despite seeming to dislike Gorf more and his stance on KWK being mostly null.
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BadWolf28738 What do you think of Gorf's D2 play? What do you think of J's play?
I have scum leans on Frito, Badwolf and minor one on Raz.
Like I said before Frito's wall against Circus seems reach-y to me, and its only valid point is that Circus didn't vote Bardull despite that seeming to be his intent.
Badwolf's push on KWK doesn't seem genuine to me. Most of his #205 where he votes KWK seems to focus on Gorf and when he quotes KWK on his suspicion of me he says that its "the right target, but the wrong reasons" Yet doesn't explain why he finds me scummy, or elaborates on why he thinks his reasons are wrong.
Raz is a minor scum lean, because of that F&L2 question. He asked us about Gorf's F&L2 play and was active while we responded and hasn't followed up on that yet, that question seems bad to me cause he suspects Gorf on his play being similar to F&L2 where he was scum, yet the two situations were different, not fair to compare at all and like I said before Gorf's alignment in that game had little to do with the specific logic Raz is talking about.
Your townread on Badwolf seems slightly suspicious to me, cause its entirely meta, and I'd look at your slot again if Badwolf is scum.
Vote: Badwolf
A couple things here. He does not question any of these slots except BadWolf who lands his vote but his questioning is regarding Gorf/My play. Spoiler alert, he never follows up on either of these questions considering his next post is him "blowing up" at BW which really isn't a blow up at all. Frito was the only "scum-lean" he had mentioned beforehand with his reachiness, but he doesn't explain how this is scummy. I also would like to point out that he goes more into detail on his "minor" scum-lean on Raz. He comments on the fact that Raz is bringing up meta and that's scummy to do as such, yet he uses the same logic against Raz as a reason to suspect him? What? Fanny is using the same game and logic to lean scum on Raz when talking about F&L2 mafia. The question that I ask, why did BW get his vote over that of Frito who he had prior suspicions on and actually commented on, but votes BW. The thing about Fanny that bugs me with his scum-reads is that he isn't pursuing any of them but mainly just threw out these reads and just let them sit there without doing anything towards them. Where is the questioning of the slots? Where is the asking about the reachy case? Where is the asking of Raz about F&L2 more or going into Raz' actual play?
The bolded is a huge point to bring up. He did not mention myself in his posts of scum-reads (even as a minor one like he did as Raz), but felt the need to mention that he disliked my read on BW because it mainly revolved around meta. Nowhere does he say why Meta=scummy for a reason.
The thing that Fanny did here is he laid down the foundation to have me looked at if BW flipped scum.
This also gives me a reason to believe why he put his vote on BW. When BW was to flip scum, who could Fanny pursue using this hook? You guessed it, me. This little hook has planted the seed of doubt in everyone's mind regarding my game and subtly pushing the fact that my read on him was fabricated due to meta and has this shown result? Yes. However, not from Fanny himself. Especially if we look at toDay, who are the people pushing this read more? Ashy mainly and then Kanty. You two are doing the work for him since he planted this here and it has finally grown to fruitiation without him doing much with it himself.
The most Fanny ever did regarding this "I plan to look at you when BW flips scum" is just continuously harping on one fact and not letting it go that it was scummy that I had a town-read on BW. He does not look at the rest of my play but decided to tunnel in on this fact. This is presently shown in the way he sits on me and Joey(which is a point for later) on D3, and then when he brings it up on D4 when he defiantly puts his vote on me and then continuing to do as such on toDay, D5, as his main reason for disliking my slot. The only thing he has done otherwise regarding looking at my slot is literally just going with Ashy and saying "I agree with you" which is what he has done all game. It's a pattern of his play to not come up with original reasoning on his own but hop on to popular opinion and just sit back.
However, let's get to Fanny's blow-up at BW now:
To preface, this is BW's response to the quote above regarding Fanny's vote:
Well hello. This might be interesting.
Gorf's been better this day. I'm good with calling him a nulltown at this point. Very slight tho.
The reasoning behind the KWK push was that he was:
1. Reaching his *** off. I explained this in my wall.
2. Bad reasoning
3. Subsequent blaming of bad reasoning on "being creative"
4. Wagon crasher
5. Really bad points.
I don't elaborate that much on things that I think people should be able to see. It's not that important to me to regurgitate my every thought into thread.
Not sure why Kant is liking this post >.>
Saying something here Kant?
I'm happier that votes are happening now.
Kinda a wimpy wall but I don't care. He'll grow, soon he'll be the wall of china.
A thing to point out. Anyone notice something fishy regarding BW's response to Fanny? He doesn't try to swing pressure towards Fanny regarding his vote, but tries to move fault onto Kanty for liking the post Fanny made and side-swipes the conversation away from Fanny/Himself and onto Kanty. Fanny then responds with this:
Did you really just list his "creative" shtick as a reason to vote him?
Your points 2 and 5 are the same thing, care to elaborate on why you thought it was bad reasoning? Yes I think its important.
What about Gorf D2 makes you like him better than in D1?
Looks harsh doesn't it? However, let's look at it without the picture.
Did you really just list his "creative" shtick as a reason to vote him?
Your points 2 and 5 are the same thing, care to elaborate on why you thought it was bad reasoning? Yes I think its important.
What about Gorf D2 makes you like him better than in D1?
Looks a lot different, doesn't it? Just looks like a bunch of questions that in the end get no responses besides on liners from BW and do not go anywhere. In the end Kanty/BP/Gorf narrow in on BW and truly question him. But let's do a comparison of posts. Here is BW's response to Fanny:
BW said:
Fand - ok consolidated thoughts : it was bad reachy play that stunk of" let's kill bw because he sucks at this game but I'm not actually going to say that cause is scummy"
That's it. It doesn't even go into really the questions that he asks. Let's move on to how Fanny responds to this.
That seems like a reach to me.
This is Fanny's entire response to BW and then that is all that comes of "Fanny's push on BW". When isolated, the push looks more like a weak bussing attempt against BW due to the limited responses from both of them. Before the point that BW did not respond in detail to others, he actually did and here it is:
1.) I had problems with Gorf's play with the fact that he was defending frito realllllyyyy hard during RVS and some after that. He was pushing people's questions and accusations off like he didn't even care, and the fact that he didn't have to annoyed me as well. He was using his status as a shield because people assume that he knows exactly what's going on and that he has insights that others don't because he's a vet. I don't like that. It's like a newbie hiding behind the fact that they're new at the game. It can only go so far and he pushed it far beyond the point that it should have gone.
Ex.
*DISCLAIMER* I do believe he's gotten better. *DISCLAIMER*
(I AM NOT GOING TO PUSH GORF ATM CAUSE HIS D2 HAS GOTTEN BETTER I HAVE A NULL-TOWN READ ON HIM. READ THAT AGAIN PLZ SO YOU DON'T ASK ME STUPID QUESTIONS LATER. GOT IT? GOOD)
Let's move on.
2.) He was saying whatever he felt like and if anyone had problems with it he could have just pushed it off saying that he was just being "creative". It's a constant backdoor that gives him a right to say anything he pleases and get away with it. He's dropped it toDay because I think that more people would have caught on to it, but the fact that he was trying to pull that **** the first Day bothered me.
(I AM NOT GOING TO PUSH KANT ATM CAUSE HIS D2 HAS GOTTEN BETTER I HAVE A NULL READ ON HIM. READ THAT AGAIN PLZ SO YOU DON'T ASK ME STUPID QUESTIONS LATER. GOT IT? GOOD)
third time
3.) Well no one actually likes him right? It gives a perfect NK pick for scum. It doesn't give any reads on anyone cause no one cares for him. Really I do think that he he survives toDay then he might die toNight or tomorrow Night. it's just not a great slot to keep around atm imo. He also has yet to actually respond to my post to him. Idk if he didn't see it or didn't care. Either way it only really proves what I'm saying. Bad slot. I also didn't unvote because Fand had disliked it. Really it was an afterthought, I just thought that it would be a decent place to keep it for a while, during which I would either push him to the point that I would keep it on or question to the point that I felt ok with him living. T'was a transition vote tbh.
That's the thing I want answered @
Red Ryu or @
Friday Townie or whatever the hell you're calling yourself today.
I MIGHT PUSH RR OR FRITO OR WHATEVER LATER IN THIS POST IT DEPENDS ON MY READ-THROUGH. I DO HAVE A NULL-SCUM READ ON HIM. READ THAT AGAIN PLZ SO YOU DON'T ASK ME STUPID QUESTIONS LATER. GOT IT? GOOD
It was a comment on your personality. Think nothing of it.
Rest of the post now. I don't want to do a quote salad so I'm just going to be referring to them by number.
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-Masquerain- Is there a particular reason you liked 315? Did you have problems with my play D1?
I don't like Joey's 340. Explanations are key here guys. I could say that I have done nothing wrong and have no idea why anyone''s pushing me but that doesn't make it ok to be scummy. People are just throwing themselves on the ground to help Gorf out. Joey's is just really weak.
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Red Ryu Do yo ustill dislike Joey's slot? Would you be ok with a swing that way toDay? I ask because of 341.
RR's Circus push was bad. Reachy and bad.
J's 497 - I can see where he's coming from. Does anyone else share our feelings?
IDEK WTF JOEY IS DOING WITH HIS LIFE. His 584 makes me cringe with how he was playing D1.
Where is Circus toDay, I'd love to see him in game.
He goes into a huge amount to combat BP, but how come he did not do this to Fanny considering he was the first pusher? I will also bring up that BW began to create a fall-guy in Joey and Fanny picks this up on D3 but does nothing with it at all. So the thing that is, why did Fanny just let BW go on such shoddy answers and why did BW not give a response to Fanny, but felt the need to give a response to BP?
BW is lynched, flips mafia. Fast forward to D3. This is Fanny's most relevant post of the day:
Man most of this looks like a reach to me. Your Masquerain stuff seems to make more sense than your Potassium one, but maybe I am just biased since I have Masquerain as a scum read.
This specifically:
I guess this has some merit since Badwolf hopped on Pawn wagon rather than a Bardul one, but it is WIFOM and still just seems like a huge reach to me.
The bolded is a more interesting venue and something I didn't notice first time around. Masquerain doesn't mention Badwolf at all on his D2 readlist. Coupled with how he treated the BW wagon I could see it as a potential slip.
This is the very first mention of ever setting up Joey as a lynch candidate for him? He completely dropped his suspicion of Frito and Raz, but no explanation as to where those reads went or how they improved? This Day phase he sits on two new scum-reads which are Joey and Myself. Yet, this Joey read quite literally appears out of nowhere. I would like to make mention that this quote is also in response to No Hetero. Does anyone recall the bolded? He never pushed a JoeyScum read nor did he ever even question the slot. This makes me believe that his reads are fabricated and just brought up to help throw some pressure elsewhere.
Also if we look back at the tracks that Fanny made D2, he already begins to push me as the fall guy for most likely to be BW's scum-mate. However, I would like to bring up a quote from Raz at the time:
I don't understand why Fanny is coming to a Badwolf vote in his 606. I don't see the thought process here.
I was not the only one not seeing BWscum. Razzy was also one of the proponents that BW could be bad-town > scum. If we focus on the final sentence in the quote. He also sees that the thought process is lacking in where Fanny connected the dots. Fanny skips steps in his BW read and just calls him scum for very few reasons and just lets others do the work for him. He had other points on other people and chooses to go to BW. As I said above, the question is WHY? Why BadWolf? This has been overlooked and actually been reason to give Fanny a town-read based on it. Fanny in no way deserves a town-read based on the fact of his BW vote. So I have another question regarding Fanny's reads/play this game, what happened to his RazScum read, especially if Raz was feeling the same thing I was? In fact, this should have intensified his scum-read on Raz especially if he was seeing Jscum for a similar reason. Yet, the Raz read just falls off the face of the game to never be seen again. I must ask, why is Fanny not following up on reads/pressuring slots he finds as scummy?
Next is his vote on NH:
Well this is what I mean specifically:
According to Nabe, Marshy was opposed to BW lynch until he unvoted. That's what I am asking him, why was marshy opposed to the lynch before the unvote?
Vote: No Hetero
I don't think Masquerain/J is happening today.
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Shun Goku Satsu Rake
request votecount.
He never mentions the fact that he was leaning on NH or Kanty in either debate, but plops his vote down onto No Hetero because "Joey/J isn't happening today". Yet, did Fanny do anything to push either read that Day-phase? No. Especially considering he just sat in the background and continued to just say "Lynch J/Joey." but not do anything to follow up. Literally, the most bandwagon vote of this wagon. The other votes on this wagon were Ruy/Myself/Fanny/Joey and Kanty's quickhammer. *in that order*
Fanny is directly in the middle of the wagon which ended No Hetero, but does anyone recall previous suspicion of the slot from him? The fact is, there was no previous suspicion of the slot. Each of the people who voted this wagon had announced previous gripes with the slot and presented evidence as to why they wanted NH dead. Fanny's vote looks more like a last ditch effort of NH's slot since he had gotten himself into a SvT lynch scenario.
There is also a contradiction in Fanny's vote on NH. If Fanny truly had a scum-read on Joey, why did Fanny vote No Hetero? Fanny even commented on the fact that No Hetero's case on Joey had credibility and that should lead people to believe that he should have voted Kanty due to the connection case. Yet he votes NH, who he had never posted suspicion on. The only logical conclusion one can come to for voting NH>Kanty in this situation is if Fanny was NH's scum partner and knew that he could get some good points from being on the "right" side of things when the flip occurred. The general consensus of town at the time was that Kanty was leaning town in the argument after his blow-up and the only person who thought that Kanty could be scum was Raz (besides NH). BP's vote was on Kanty but Gheb came into the thread to say that the Kanty lynch was dumb but he could not remove his vote due to being on the wrong account at the time due to hydra shenanigans. So NH was losing the argument in the end. So to go back to my first sentence in this paragraph. If Fanny had a scum-read on Joey, based on his feelings, he should have gone onto Kanty, not NH.
Going more forward into D4 now where Ashy joined the game. She brings up excellent points that I have also delved into above in this case, but just to give them credit again, here they are:
- if anybody was bussing this game its probably fandango, he was first on bwolf w/ original points buuuut he never pushed very hardand scum just voting their buddies cuz theyre struggling to make original content is a thing that happens, kind of get that vibe from him actually.
he was the first to vote badwolf but he didnt do much to drum up support for it, hetero was only once the wagon had already built, he literally voted nohet with a "i dont think my other suspects are happening today" which is a giant CONSOLIDATION BUS RED FLAG especially after how little he did to make joey or j viable aside from ask questions and **** which is really half-hearted. its easy to just stick around and point out what your buddies are doing wrong with some snarky short posts but dangerous to actually try to get them lynched and the most fanny did in that area was ask J some questions about bwolf without actually trying to rebuff J's read. despite being consistently on scum he is a total background presence. in fact he only ever voted bwolf in the first place because somebody told him to post his reads
Both of these posts point directly to what I have been saying throughout this post so I am mainly bringing these up as reminder. After everything that occurred in the game, this what he posts for his reasoning for his vote on me on Day 4:
Fanny said:
J's hardcore defense on Badwolf which he kept justifying on meta/emotions when I asked him about it its probably a bigger point against him than BP being on the opposite of the scum wagons on D2, and D3.
Vote: J
Seriously, that's it. Meta and Emotions, both of which he has never explained why they are scummy or why they result in me being related to BW. He does not go into my play at this juncture but continues to sit on the fact that he feels that I am scum for the same reason he set down all the way back in D2 when he initially voted BW. It's the exact same thing he has been doing all game. I know this may sound repetitive at this point, but it's disgustingly scummy and deserves the attention that it has not been getting at all this game. However, when he comes back into the thread later when the lynch has finally happened he says this:
Fanny said:
I don't think you guys should have rush the BP lynch, but admittedly I would have hammered now if would have gotten the time. Ryu's claim might be safe, but I don't think he is lying, but I will finish re-reading the game on the night phase. I get late to home from work so don't have much time to post most days of the week.
Big nuh-uh. He says he would have hammered BP anyways, but why? He is literally just saying this because the lynch had already occurred and there was nothing else he could do or say. He is trying to join the popular thought, yet again, but never doing anything regarding the slot that ends up getting lynched.
ToDay, in D5, he pretty much parrots what he has said yesterDay and hides in the background again so far. Nothing more to pursue reads or even develop anything more. He just continues to sit on the same point he has harped on for complete DAY PHASES without doing much on it.
That's it for my case on Fanny. I can confidently say that is the final scummer and deserves to die toDay. So with that, I lay my vote on him.
Vote: Fandangox
