Queen of the Underworld: Vote for Medusa's Homecoming Party!

[Steelia]

This has been on my mind for a while... For any Kid Icarus buffs, why was Medusa made "sexier" than her NES counterpart in Uprising? for lack of a better term. Browsed the front page, and read how Palutena got super pissed and transformed Medisua into the cyclops form. Is her more human appearance in Uprising her original "true" look?

In any case, being a filthy KI casual, I like the idea of a playable Medusa more than any of the other chars from the series, sans Palutena. The two could have a cool yin-yang thing going, I like that a lot. Two KI Newcomers feels like a lot for Smash 4, but if it can happen to Kirby in SSBB it can happen here.

 

[Darkmask]

This has been on my mind for a while... For any Kid Icarus buffs, why was Medusa made "sexier" than her NES counterpart in Uprising? for lack of a better term. Browsed the front page, and read how Palutena got super pissed and transformed Medisua into the cyclops form. Is her more human appearance in Uprising her original "true" look?

In any case, being a filthy KI casual, I like the idea of a playable Medusa more than any of the other chars from the series, sans Palutena. The two could have a cool yin-yang thing going, I like that a lot. Two KI Newcomers feels like a lot for Smash 4, but if it can happen to Kirby in SSBB it can happen here.

I believe her ugly look is her true appearance, she really does look that hideous in her "true form", however as the Goddess of Darkness, she has the power to alter her form, so her looking so smoking hot is just her being vain and wanting to look like a sexy goddess as opposed to a scaly cyclopes.

At least that's my take on it, anyway. Her big red eyed green form could just be the Ganon to her Ganondorf? Like her one-winged angel form.

 

[AncientTobacco]

This has been on my mind for a while... For any Kid Icarus buffs, why was Medusa made "sexier" than her NES counterpart in Uprising? for lack of a better term. Browsed the front page, and read how Palutena got super pissed and transformed Medisua into the cyclops form. Is her more human appearance in Uprising her original "true" look?

Well, the in-game explanation is that Medusa uses magic to mask her monstrous appearance. Then when she has to go all out in the battle against Pit, she turns back into the cyclops.

The monster form is technically Medusa's "true" form but not her original form. Palutena cursed Medusa's appearance to reflect what she saw in her heart. The more human appearance Medusa has in Uprising isn't her original (as in, pre-curse) form, it's kind of in-between that and her monster form. Her original form is only seen on an anime short called "Medusa's Revenge". It looks like this:

 

[Darkmask]

Stuff

You should totally swap out your Rosalina icon for a Medusa one! :D

EDIT: As a sidenote, one thing I noticed on the main page is seemingly conceding that Magnus may be a better choice for Smash Bros. than Medusa ... thing is, I don't get it, why does everyone think Magnus would be such an awesome fighter? First of all, he has such a small role in Kid Icarus: Uprising, and he's really one note in my opinion. Plus, I look at him and his moves, and I clearly see Ike, who already is a musclebound strongman who attacks with slow but devastating sword strikes. I really don't see the appeal. And it's not even a "not another swordsman" complaint, I really don't see what he can add that Ike doesn't already have, except maybe another foot or so of sword length.

Medusa on the other hand, I see a main villain with access to a lot of dark magic, status ailments, personality ... I just see her as a much better choice overall. Granted I am a little biased, I love me a villain or dark character in general! Always fun to play a bad guy!

 

[andimidna]

sideboob/10

Yep. I think that Megaman promotional artwork says it all about Kid being a frontrunner of Smash 4.

Assuming both Palutena and Ridley make it-- that would make Kid Icarus the least represented of the main 8.

So that possibly might mean something maybe.

 

[Darkmask]

sideboob/10

Assuming both Palutena and Ridley make it-- that would make Kid Icarus the least represented of the main 8.

So that possibly might mean something maybe.

I definitely agree that Kid Icarus needs more representation than Pit, especially since we're getting more KI stages as well. Palutena and Medusa I think would compliment the game well.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

As a sidenote, one thing I noticed on the main page is seemingly conceding that Magnus may be a better choice for Smash Bros. than Medusa ... thing is, I don't get it, why does everyone think Magnus would be such an awesome fighter? First of all, he has such a small role in Kid Icarus: Uprising, and he's really one note in my opinion. Plus, I look at him and his moves, and I clearly see Ike, who already is a musclebound strongman who attacks with slow but devastating sword strikes. I really don't see the appeal. And it's not even a "not another swordsman" complaint, I really don't see what he can add that Ike doesn't already have, except maybe another foot or so of sword length.

Medusa on the other hand, I see a main villain with access to a lot of dark magic, status ailments, personality ... I just see her as a much better choice overall. Granted I am a little biased, I love me a villain or dark character in general! Always fun to play a bad guy!

Oh, no. It's just that Magnus is such a bad choice that it should be self explanatory, hence why there's simply an image saying "I'm done with those arguments"

Assuming both Palutena and Ridley make it-- that would make Kid Icarus the least represented of the main 8.
So that possibly might mean something maybe.

This count DK as a Mario rep, as there's only DK and Diddy. And I hope this means something.

sideboob/10

This was the top priority

 

[majora_787]

I honestly dunno why people bring up Magnus either. People who say Magnus would get in over Medusa, hell people who say he would or should get in over PALUTENA as well, confuse me almost as much as people who think Ganondorf should be replaced with Ghirahim.

 

[AncientTobacco]

I honestly dunno why people bring up Magnus either. People who say Magnus would get in over Medusa, hell people who say he would or should get in over PALUTENA as well, confuse me almost as much as people who think Ganondorf should be replaced with Ghirahim.

Yeah. I don't really see a point in making him an assist, either. He'd probably be the most boring of them all. Something like an Eggplant Wizard would be way more interesting.

 

[majora_787]

Yeah. I don't really see a point in making him an assist, either. He'd probably be the most boring of them all. Something like an Eggplant Wizard would be way more interesting.

Eggplant or Tempura wizard. An especially iconic enemy or new alternative would be a great assist.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I think Magnus don't even have the potential of being a good assist, just someone who slash. But I can see it happening. Eggplant Wizard is the best idea.

About Magnus, to quote Palutena: "He is a jerk"

 

[majora_787]

Magnus' main thing is his sword, which is a weapon Pit can already use. The Magnus Club could have been an item just like the Ore Club or Drill Arm, and anyone could fill Magnus' shoes. I don't think ANYONE in Kid Icarus has that problem. xD

 

[Darkmask]

Question, and I apologize if this has been brought up before, I did stumble on this page after 20 pages ...

ado people think Medusa's smash attacks, her melee, should that primarily her claws, or should she have and use her staff in battle? The staff is cool, but she never really uses it to attack.

I personally think it might be more in character for her to use her head snakes (poison chance) and claws, with at least one attack dedicated to her legendary uppercut.

 

[majora_787]

Question, and I apologize if this has been brought up before, I did stumble on this page after 20 pages ...

ado people think Medusa's smash attacks, her melee, should that primarily her claws, or should she have and use her staff in battle? The staff is cool, but she never really uses it to attack.

I personally think it might be more in character for her to use her head snakes (poison chance) and claws, with at least one attack dedicated to her legendary uppercut.

I would think it would be a combination of the two, possibly the staff in tilts with her claws, poison, and snakes be smash attacks.

 

[andimidna]

I honestly dunno why people bring up Magnus either. People who say Magnus would get in over Medusa, hell people who say he would or should get in over PALUTENA as well, confuse me almost as much as people who think Ganondorf should be replaced with Ghirahim.

It's funny because the people that think Magnus should be the KI newcomer and the people that think Ghirahim should replace Ganondorf are usually the same people.

 

[majora_787]

It's funny because the people that think Magnus should be the KI newcomer and the people that think Ghirahim should replace Ganondorf are usually the same people.

I would hope so. If that's the case, that means there are fewer of them.

 

[JaidynReiman]

It's funny because the people that think Magnus should be the KI newcomer and the people that think Ghirahim should replace Ganondorf are usually the same people.

In other words, they're fanboys/girls who only know about one game and nothing about the series as a whole desiring to get their favorite characters in?

Granted, I've seen a LOT of support for Ghirahim, far more than Magnus, and most do suggest having Ghirahim replace Ganondorf.


Ghirahim makes slightly more sense, but I don't think he represents the series as a whole. Magnus? He appears in two chapters, and once more later in the game. He hardly does anything in the game, and Magnus' weapon can even be unlocked by Pit, so he doesn't even play any different? Yeah, now I'm even doubting his inclusion as an Assist Trophy.

 

[majora_787]

People will learn the truth one day. Probably some time roughly around the time the roster is made known. Out of sheer coincidence of course.

 

[Darkmask]

I always hoped the Smash website would be like graffiti'd and taken over by evil, just so they could release several new characters that were all villains who takeover the website!

Honestly, there are so few villains in the roster right now, just Bowser and Dedede. I really, really hope the game is not released without a proper evil representation!

Bowser, Dedede, Wolf O'Donnell, Ridley, Wario, Ganondorf, and Medusa! (as well as Mewtwo and Shadow, who are more dark anti-heroes than villains but ...)

 

[JaidynReiman]

I always hoped the Smash website would be like graffiti'd and taken over by evil, just so they could release several new characters that were all villains who takeover the website!

Honestly, there are so few villains in the roster right now, just Bowser and Dedede. I really, really hope the game is not released without a proper evil representation!

Bowser, Dedede, Wolf O'Donnell, Ridley, Wario, Ganondorf, and Medusa! (as well as Mewtwo and Shadow, who are more dark anti-heroes than villains but ...)

I don't think Shadow will be playable. Perhaps Black Shadow, but not Shadow.

Also, Wolf O'Donnell falls under the anti-hero thing as well.

 

[Darkmask]

I don't think Shadow will be playable. Perhaps Black Shadow, but not Shadow.

Also, Wolf O'Donnell falls under the anti-hero thing as well.

To be fair, Wario is kind of an anti-hero too ... he's just greedy. Bowser is a villain but helps the heroes several times too ...and of course Dedede is a greedy anti-hero most of the time at best ...

Spoiler

Heck, even Medusa helps Pit defeat Hades at the end of Uprising ...

Ganondorf and Ridley may be the only two pure villains in their series, come to think of it.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Also, Wolf O'Donnell falls under the anti-hero thing as well.

And so do Wario and Dedede. Actually, Dedede is pretty much just a hero nowadays. He just gets possessed really often.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

And so do Wario and Dedede. Actually, Dedede is pretty much just a hero nowadays. He just gets possessed really often.

Well there's a lot of room for a possessor to hide in

 

[Darkmask]

I love your Medusa Banner BTW!

I kinda wish on the main page there were like a bunch of Medusa support icons that we could use! I'll admit, I am no good at making banners or icons myself, heh.

 

[majora_787]

I just put Medusa's face on my signature. I find it easier than filling it with tons of icons. :B

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, Wario is kind of an anti-hero too ... he's just greedy. Bowser is a villain but helps the heroes several times too ...and of course Dedede is a greedy anti-hero most of the time at best ...

Spoiler

Heck, even Medusa helps Pit defeat Hades at the end of Uprising ...

Ganondorf and Ridley may be the only two pure villains in their series, come to think of it.

Enemy Mine situations don't make a villain less of a villain.

It's rather difficult to pinpoint where the line is drawn, but more often than not, villains are willing to ally themselves with their sworn nemesis if it means there's a better chance at defeating the bigger threat. Such alliances are generally temporary and are done away with once the threat is vanquished.

In Medusa's case, she didn't save Pit for the sake of saving Pit or teaming up with him. She used him as a distraction in order to attempt to get revenge on Hades for using her as a pawn.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I love your Medusa Banner BTW!

I kinda wish on the main page there were like a bunch of Medusa support icons that we could use! I'll admit, I am no good at making banners or icons myself, heh.

Thanks! It's in fact a normal sized gif, but the signature system cuts it, making it a well done banner

About the villain talk, Ganondorf is only real evil villain playable. Others are either goofy, anti heroes or both. Plus Wolf who is more a rival. So the game clearly have a lack of sideboobs villainy.

 

[majora_787]

Both are accurate really.

Ridley and Medusa need to join forces to bring more legitimate serious villainy to Smash Bros. with Ganondorf, clearly.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, "goofy" and "evil" aren't necessarily counters to each other.
Hades is certainly both goofy and evil.

I think the point you were making, E&H, is that Ganondorf is the only villain playable thus far that is taken very seriously as a villain. (In the Hades example, while he's rather humorous and would be a fun guy to hang around on most circumstances, he's taken as a rather serious threat.)
Is that right?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, "goofy" and "evil" aren't necessarily counters to each other.
Hades is certainly both goofy and evil.

I think the point you were making, E&H, is that Ganondorf is the only villain playable thus far that is taken very seriously as a villain. (In the Hades example, while he's rather humorous and would be a fun guy to hang around on most circumstances, he's taken as a rather serious threat.)
Is that right?

Exactly. But Hades is kind of an exception. Although Bowser can really be threatening at times, for example.

 

[majora_787]

Bowser alternates between being serious and seriously ridiculous. Ridley, Medusa, and Ganondorf are almost fully serious. Hades is more the result of combining massive power and competence with someone who isn't a serious character 90% of the time. Which is more its own thing, since generally Nintendo villains are either serious OR competent.

 

[Deleted member]

Exactly. But Hades is kind of an exception. Although Bowser can really be threatening at times, for example.

I don't see Hades as an exception.
He just falls under "Beware the Silly Ones" trope like Kefka and The Joker.

And yes, Bowser can be threatening, I'm not denying that. But (and I apologize for using a Wreck-It Ralph reference ahead of time), he's not really a "bad" guy despite being a "bad guy". There are times where he goes overboard (i.e. trying to control the universe) but most of his villainy comes from the thrill of facing off with Mario, who he sees as a worthy opponent and a respectable nemesis. In a way, he and Mario and frenemies.

.....I need to make this post relevant to Medusa.
*scrambles* Ah!
So Medusa, like Ganondorf, would be the standard no-nonsense villain; no frenemy status with the hero like Bowser or Dedede (who went further away from being a villain and is just a jerk with a heart of gold), no "villain only to those I'm against" anti-heroes like Wario or Wolf, no assisting the hero unless its strictly beneficial (which both have shown), etc.

It also helps that the two are rather stoic, not comical in the slightest, and have Freudian excuses for their villainy.
...and now to slightly bring it off-topic by mentioning Ridley, who is even worse of a villain than them (in terms of just how evil he is, not that he's a bad villain ), being a psychopathic murderer who takes pleasure in it.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Sure, you can't call Bowser a big bad villain when he allow Mario and friends to do some karting in his own castle...

 

[majora_787]

Sure, you can't call Bowser a big bad villain when he allow Mario and friends to do some karting in his own castle...

And golf. And baseball. And they went to the olympics together.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Reminds me of this artwork.

Spoiler

 

[Darkmask]

I want them to release a new Smash video announcing a few villains, like Ridley, Ganondorf, and Medusa ... I could just imagine Medusa taking on Ganondorf ...

Medusa: "It's dangerous to go alone ... TAKE THIS!" (attacks!)

 

[Deleted member]

Medusa vs. Ganondorf would be a sight to see.
....but at the same time, Rule 34 galore with them as a commonly paired item.

 

[Darkmask]

Medusa vs. Ganondorf would be a sight to see.
....but at the same time, Rule 34 galore with them as a commonly paired item.

Once you've gone green, it's all serene?

Once you go snake, it's like an earthquake?

EDIT: Dirty limericks aside ...

What do we feel about Medusa's overall size, weight, and speed?

Like Zelda sized or more Ganondorf sized since she is a dark goddess ...

 

[majora_787]

I'd imagine Medusa would probably be a sort of weird level of mobility where she isn't particularly fast in movement but she is in attacking speed, and is also very mobile through the air or use of special attacks. It's a weird combination of traits, but I figure Medusa would be a weird combination of personal problems.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I expect Medusa to be at Ganondorf's size, if not a bit taller (I should compare Pit and Ganondorf in Brawl), being heavyweight, but having a decent attack speed (at the cost of power). And probably slow in movement, so it's similar to Majora's idea.