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Proposition To Make a Tristate Brawl Rankings

CT Chia

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I've already tossed around the idea a little, but I wanna hear about it from more people.

Quite coincidentally this weekend saw the releases of new PRs from PA, NJ, and upstate NY. The only one missing is NYC area which had their last PR about a month ago. Even still, with all of the PR talk being quite recent and fresh in our minds, panels formed and disputes settled - maybe it's time for a top 20 tristate Brawl rankings?
 

KageMurphy

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Hmmm, interesting idea, so long as individual PRs remain okay. I'm a veteran panelist for MD/VA and know plenty about other regions so yeah, get @ me for help.
 

FuRyOf1000SuNs

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That'd be sweet, I'm coming strong this season. Top Ten for tri-state rankings guaranteed!!
 

CT Chia

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That could be a separate thing, but the larger you do that the harder it gets. Perhaps after MLG that would be a more feasible thing, but a tristate rankings list has been make for quite a while and was very popular in Melee
 

fkacyan

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I'd help out with this. I would really like to try out a tiered ranking system instead of an absolute numbered system like we see in every PR, however.
 

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Hmm...

Maybe if each region gets a minimum # of players on the PR, it'd seem a little more fair. Sounds nice.

san for 9th or higher.
 

CT Chia

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What if we form a simple panel of 3? One from each state. Then we can agree to meet online sometime soon and talk it up.
 

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:D I'd love to help.

We can talk about it during the ride to MLG.

Was thinking that one representative from each state may be a lil small. What's your thought on 2 from each state. I'd go for the famous and infamous Keitaro and Inui for NJ.
 

Inui

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Oh, a recommendation from Keitaro? I'm flattered. I'll definitely participate in this.

Speaking of that, I'd like to return to the NJ panel next season and be part of fixing the current flawed system. If you guys don't like me, you can vote me out or whatever and I won't cause any issues over it. Discuss that elsewhere, though, not here.
 

ch33s3

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I'm afraid to know who will be chosen from NY, because THAT panel isn't awful enough as it is.
 

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I believe that a top 20 tristate would be good, but I believe that a separate state based power rankings would help as well.

You should have both.
 

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Not bad. Don't know about NinjaLink being that high but he is crazy good, people shouldn't forget about him.

Normally I'd be for Shadow > Atomsk but Atomsk has pulled stuff out his *** multiple times like when he beat Shadow and then ADHD in 2 sets at one tourney so I dunno. Shadow is a tad more consistent though.
 

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2 Panelists From NY/NJ/PA

or should it be 3.

And would we include NE? lol
 

Inui

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PA: Chibo, Vex
NJ: Inui, Keitaro
NY: Anti, ?

Don't know who else to pick from NY because so many of their players are inactive or don't go on the boards much. Shadow? Vinnie?
 

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I like it.

Also my panelist hiatus is pretty much done, I'd be one I guess. Only if we're doing 3. Chaos Marth has been the lead panelist for a while now, so he deserves spot #2. Also are state rankings still going to exist?

edit: my question is, how exactly are we going to sync NY's PR to the others? :(

edit2: should upstate really be included? NYC/LI, NJ, and PA are all in one little family, upstate just has an entirely different metagame imo, they all have locals which our players rarely go to, and they rarely come down here. IDK, it's just hard to weight something like, how would Cura compare to Minty, etc. Cura does win all the tourneys up there, but doesn't travel down here...
 

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ChaosMarth has absolutely no presence in PA and barely goes to NJ, so I don't think he should be a panelist. It should be people that frequently interact with the other two states. I constantly play in all three states and play with players from all three states. Anti doesn't go to PA, but he does go to NJ a lot and has played with PA enough. Keitaro and I frequently play with both states. Being in NJ puts us in the middle, which is convenient for us.

I'd be up for abolishing state rankings in favor of this one since having clashing lists would be ridiculous. For instance, I'm 7th right now on NJ's list and below people I'd be above on a tristate list if we made it right now, most notably Doom and Nairo. It would look silly to have the lists disagree with each other.

If we expand the number of panelists to three per state, I'd like to take ksizzle or Atomsk from NJ, preferably Atomsk since he travels a lot more. Doom is a current NJ state panelist, but his skill opinions are too strange for my tastes and downright wrong in many cases, and when you're working on a larger list with several states, you can't be like that. Bias is tolerable if others can balance you out and you actually have good data, but having totally off skill opinions can make someone worth little in discussions since skill opinions matter a lot in these types of lists.

NY should be Anti, Vinnie, and Shadow. Vinnie and Shadow actually play with NJ often and PA sometimes, while ChaosMarth does not. Chibo should probably decide on PA's third panelist. After we're full on panelists, we can discuss rules and guidelines.

I was once a regional panelist for the Melee rankings in 2006-2007. Cactuar, JFox, and I represented the tristate area. We made the tristate rankings and contributed on the big Atlantic North one. Cactuar controlled too much and forced his opinions into it a lot, which made Velocity get ranked above me despite having far less accomplishments and losing head-to-head to me every time, and it was all because Cactuar thought I sucked. I'd like to see such mistakes never get repeated, which is why people with accurate and realistic skill opinions are needed.

I do not think upstate NY or western PA should be included since our area almost never plays with them. It should be NYC, Long Island, southern NY in general, the entirety of NJ, eastern PA, and the Philadelphia area. We're almost like MD/VA when it comes to how often we play with each other.
 
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