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They didn't say Sonic was broken lol they said his Side-b was over centralizing. 2.1 Sonic could use the move over and and over without thinking twice and win a match. They reworked the move so it's still useful but not the only move he needs.
"Unless you can wall him out, 2.1 Sonic plays a bit like Falco in that you have to play to his pace, and wait for him to leave himself open before you can make a move on him. Unlike Falco, though, Sonic is very difficult to gimp, is very mobile offstage (and thus difficult to edgeguard in general), and isn’t combo’d heavily like the space animals. It’s frustrating to play against."
Ironically, he does a lot better in closer range vs dedede now. Can even space some normals on his shield and not be grabbed afterwards.
Instead of me responding to this, I am going to quote what Daze said on Smashmods to a post similar to your concerns.
As said, we did not pull the trigger on these changes. It's really hurtful to be compared to Brawl+, to me at least, because there was definitely a lot more reasons why Brawl+ turned out the way it did. But really, that's old hat. This is how things are and we really want people to be open minded with this. These changes did not just get thought of in one minute and slapped onto the character without any thought. It's been a lot of carefully planned, coordinated, team effort to come up with what was done and it was over the course of multiple months.`daze said:The PMBR have discussed these changes very thoroughly in the backroom. The Sonic thread in there has more than twice the amount of posts than any other character, and we have reverted and scrapped many ideas in the process.
These changes did not come lightly!!
Sethlon, Rat, as well as many other playtesters have contributed many hours of time playtesting and giving feedback on this current design. Please try to give it a chance before selling it short.
Yes, he's actually won quite a few, and in some of the most competitive regions like Chicago and Florida.
That's what SDRemix thought: we can't add new animations and don't have a clear direction so let's just speed everything up. Woo balance!
Remember how you said on here that you have a hard time remember exactly what was said by you and me from times far back (specifically this time that you are referring to)? Well, I think that 'condition' is affecting you again, m'boy.
My exact sentiments were, and have always been, that I am completely for Brawl tethers if the PMBR decides to leave them in P:M. What I told you on the bus was that I like Melee tethers more and I told you a plethora of Samus-specific tricks that are no longer possible with the Brawl tether, but I also told you that I am against the notion that P:M should have Melee tethers "because Melee". I NEVER said that I was "directly opposed to brawl tethers." However, I am not going to fool myself into thinking that they are as good as Melee tethers were, because the fact is simply that they weren't.Whaaa.....? Why'd you get rid of it?
Do you know about a tether breakthrough that the rest of us don't?
Is it really possible that P:M now has wall tethers? O.O
No, I don't, and to be perfectly honest, I don't exactly know how you got that from my post. I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but I just found that odd.
I'm simply continuing an age-old discussion that probably started whenever P:M demo v2.0 originally came out (or maybe even earlier). I play all Smashes so I really don't mind conforming to any one form of tethering. I just don't like saying 'all versions are equal.' 
Does this configuration include the random char button?
Yes, I was very mindful of the random character box.Does this configuration include the random char button?
Spacies are extremely janky characters.
hahah I guess I'm getting a bit ahead of myself ^_^
I'm being totally impartial here, but I'm gonna have to say that Moses' - I mean - Eli's avatar is better than all of yours.
Nairshine and drillshine say hi!
Problem is, if you wait, you're liable to get annoyed endlessly or just plain hit outright because his stuff can be pretty safe on shields unless you have a really good usmash or upB OoS.
Y'know, a little transparency is never a bad thing.As said, we did not pull the trigger on these changes. It's really hurtful to be compared to Brawl+, to me at least, because there was definitely a lot more reasons why Brawl+ turned out the way it did. But really, that's old hat. This is how things are and we really want people to be open minded with this. These changes did not just get thought of in one minute and slapped onto the character without any thought. It's been a lot of carefully planned, coordinated, team effort to come up with what was done and it was over the course of multiple months.
Seriously, he's had probably the most attention out of everyone coming into this demo. Probably even more than some of the new characters we've introduced. Maybe that's a hard comparison to make, or believe, but it's really how things were.
I wish I could show you just how much discussion there was. But you'll just have to take mine and daze's words for it.
To be fair, a lot more people than you think have probably been directly exposed to 2.5. I mean, it's been brought to several tournaments and fests already so I wouldn't go off assuming that everyone who talks about their gripes with the dev. build doesn't have valuable insight, although there probably are a few people who do actually talk about it without having played or seen much of it.
Not if the snake's mouth was completely wide open with noticable sharp fangs that were stuck into the side of the stage.
Just play Falcon and dash dance camp. You even get free grabs, reaction-based techchases, and random knees at 60% from it.
Kink-Link: master of segueing ANYTHING into his weird obsessive hate of a video game character
