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MaxThunder
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9Kplus1
Smash Master
Late reply, but this is just untrue.
Foremost, SkarmBliss rules Gen II OU alongside Snorlax; how you can say that it's "bad in any gen besides gen3" is beyond me. SkarmBliss didn't die off until late HG/SS for very good reason. I'm sure that you, like many, miscomprehend why SkarmBliss was so widely popular in earlier metagames. In previous generations, Pokemon had to be taylored very specifically to beat SkarmBliss; these Pokemon, due to the lack of raw power, nonexistent defensive capabilities, or some other reason which comes with committing themselves to that particular offensive task, are rather easy to check. Therefore mixed walls and even offensive pivots are great compliments to SkarmBliss. With only three slots, one could check a large portion of the metagame -- in both Gen IV and III. Jabba's semi-stall team, Rotom, Charge! as well as many of the more defensively oriented Gen V teams make very good use of SkarmBliss and show why it hasn't faltered as much as you're making it seem.
tl;dr - It's not about what can "beat" SkarmBliss (your Magneton example is pretty crappy since DUGTRIO and RAIKOU are common sights in Gen III OU), it's what team styles SkarmBliss can neuter and / or outright stop.
Idk man, those farts are pretty sharp.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Except non transcendent projectiles are strictly inferior to transcendent ones and different bomb effects are not strictly inferior or superior to one another.
It's purely a worse move than it could be.
But it's still a pretty good move. I'm not arguing that part, I'm arguing the super flawed logic of "It's different because he's not Fox and Falco and needs things to be different or people might get them confused"
rjgbadger
Banned via Warnings
how much can i contribute to a 'give sonic demo 1 fair?' fund?
250?
250?
leelue
Smash Lord
I'd put in 300 if it was a guarantee
But for some reason, some people perhaps with names that rhyme with shehatestreecko seem to think otherwise. Because canon.
But yes, seriously, demo 1 fair was his best A move. By far.
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I've been petitioning for it since the beginning. I just don't understand the attachment the team has with eagle, but it is misguided.
But for some reason, some people perhaps with names that rhyme with shehatestreecko seem to think otherwise. Because canon.
But yes, seriously, demo 1 fair was his best A move. By far.
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I've been petitioning for it since the beginning. I just don't understand the attachment the team has with eagle, but it is misguided.
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That's 550
Come on, people. Give.
doll hairs.
Come on, people. Give.
leelue
Smash Lord
Like a good ol PBS Special
Throw in a tote bag
Look boys
You give the community demo 1 fair, and I'll stop applying to the pmbr every 4 months. Deal? Deal.
Throw in a tote bag
Look boys
You give the community demo 1 fair, and I'll stop applying to the pmbr every 4 months. Deal? Deal.
leelue
Smash Lord
I wanna make a joke about that
But I have to keep my image on the upnup. Application 4.0 is coming down the chute in about a week.
Git along liddle dogies
But I have to keep my image on the upnup. Application 4.0 is coming down the chute in about a week.
Git along liddle dogies
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
bubbaking
Smash Hero
I don't know why anyone would make a public statement that he's ignoring someone. If anything, he should just not say anything and silently put the grievous one on his ignore list, and if someone replies to the person being ignored, then ignore that, too. Anyways.....
Well, to be fair, Wolf's lasers also combo into each other, especially if you line them up on top of each other.
I think Scarr was talking about P:M. Fox is probably still #1 in this game, but Falco might not be #2, although he is still amazing (and Top Tier).
JOE!
Smash Hero
so do Falco's
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Actually, that's where I'm going to have to disagree with you. Falco's lasers don't actually 'combo' into each other. They simply put Falco at a fairly large frame advantage that makes it very easy for the opponent to simply get hit by more lasers whenever he tries to do something. It's a similar concept to Samus standing in front of your shield performing crouch cancelled jabs. It's not a true shieldstring, but you can't punish it because Samus's frame 3 jab gives her frame advantage over any action you could possibly do OoS. Try anything and the next jab will stuff you out. Falco's lasers only truly combo into something when he is actually close enough to perform a move immediately after the land cancel that will hit you. I mean, the action is still safe because the laser is transcendent and has no lag, so nothing will ever beat it out and stop Falco from setting up his combo, but the combo is still what it is, a a true combo, only because he was close enough to you to take full advantage of the laser's hitstun.
Tl;dr - Consecutive hits of Falco's lasers aren't combos; they're frametraps, really good frametraps.
Edit: Regardless, this still adds up to "Falco's lasers are better than Wolf's."
I just assumed he was talking about Magnezone, since no one really uses Ton over Zone anymore, not for countering steel cores, anyway.
Tl;dr - Consecutive hits of Falco's lasers aren't combos; they're frametraps, really good frametraps.
Edit: Regardless, this still adds up to "Falco's lasers are better than Wolf's."
Oh man, I completely didn't notice that he used Magneton as his counter to Skarmbliss.
I just assumed he was talking about Magnezone, since no one really uses Ton over Zone anymore, not for countering steel cores, anyway.My curiosity has been piqued. What is this?
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Oh, I assumed otherwise because DMG mentioned Shed Shell or something. Still, even in Gen 3, Magneton was alright. You can't really have an Electric type that's so slow and has such a low specD. It doesn't really do much outside of counter Steels. Devoting an entire slot just for that means SkarmBliss is definitely doing its job right, since they counteract a LOT of good cores out there. Magneton is also Dugtrio bait.
Revven
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If there's a demand for it, I wouldn't be surprised. However, given the fact the game still isn't in a finished form, I doubt it.
At best, we would be separated from being within the Brawl General Discussion sub-forum finally. Because we wouldn't need to be hidden anymore for "legality" reasons.
Magneton was fantastic in Gen 3, and PM 2.5 will be fantastic, too.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
Ike was good in gen III.
Just like in all the other gens
Just like in all the other gens
Eternal Yoshi
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However, I don't see that as a valid reason when Smash 4 has a subforum despite it being completely speculation due to the lack of confirmations.
I think we have to wait until AFTER the server move to see the true effects.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Smash 4 is most definitely confirmed, though...
Warhawk
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As far as I'm aware Falco's lasers only combo into each other when you ledgehop double laser characters with a smaller upper hurtbox with the first laser higher than the second. Otherwise no.
Eternal Yoshi
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and nothing else about Smash 4 is, not even the name.
Which is my point.
Anyway, we need to do a better job on staying on topic.
Stevo
Smash Champion
even project M is more confirmed to be released than smash 4 at this point.
and THAT is saying something
Will Project M be called Project M when it is completed?
and THAT is saying something
Will Project M be called Project M when it is completed?
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Super-secret PMBR intel below:
Project:M's official release title will be Project:Magus
Project:M's official release title will be Project:Magus
It's far from fantastic. Magneton only traps literally ONE steel in entire metagame. Forry have wised up over the years and started running EQ; Jirachi usually carries Fire Punch + CM; and Magneton can quickly beat its doppelganger 1v1. Being fodder for Dugtrio, Raikou, Mence, Celebi, and Jolteon doesn't really help it either.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
I'm not gonna pretend to agree with a lot of that, but I do agree that Magneton sucks at trapping.
Edit: Part of the reason I can't agree is that I can't tell whether you are still talking about gen III or have moved on.
Edit: Part of the reason I can't agree is that I can't tell whether you are still talking about gen III or have moved on.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
This thread is now Project:Magneton
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Everyone beg AZ to give us PM boards on SWF.
Go, PM Army!
Go, PM Army!
holy ****, that's a good idea
It would certainly bolster P:M's legitimacy to the greater Smash community. I support it!
I will see if this is possible after the site transfer. Should be.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Site transfer? What's that about? Anything relevant to the community?
Stevo
Smash Champion
the site has to transfer servers. Just read the announcement.
Edit: that sounded more cold then I meant it lol. I just meant I don't remember all the details from the announcement, so you should probably just read that to be safe.
Edit: that sounded more cold then I meant it lol. I just meant I don't remember all the details from the announcement, so you should probably just read that to be safe.
Life
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Basically AlphaZealot bought Smashboards.
Comeback Kid
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Woot 10 char.
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