drsusredfish
Smash Ace
sheiks entrance looks like the terminator.
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ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Nah. His laser is mad good already. No reason to make it stupidly powerful.any body else want wolfs laser to go like 1.5 times the distance it does now.
edit: and the ability to do low laser and still wave land. characters ducking the laser is booty.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Actually, when I played Vanguard's version, he told me that I probably shouldn't play 2.5 Lucario if I main 2.1 Luke because there are a LOT of small changes that actually make him feel very different. I played him anyway and saw exactly what he was talking about. Nothing will be divulged from me, though.
My apologies. We must always get these correct.I have to get this out because it really grinds my gears when people do this.
Its LIKE no one ever was.
Stop feeding him, people.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
shutup freddy
Magus420
Smash Master
What? My lucario isn't very good at all, lol. I can do some neat looking stuff I guess, but I have little experience with him in matches.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
I'm surprised no one commented on Eli's last post. Easily the best post on this thread. 
OmegaMuffin
Smash Journeyman
Meh.
10mehs
10mehs
SFA Smiley
The SFA King
Wrong.
Wolf should shoot slow moving falcon punches and should have a 1:48 chance of shooting the Ganondoken from brawl minus
And a 1:300 chance of shooting either a Mr. Saturn, Bob-omb, beam sword, stitchface, or a CPU ditto who transforms into another wolf so you can do double combos like morrigans in marvel vs capcom
and then he could shoot
and a 1:4000 chance of turning into manaphy who swaps the characters and if you kill yourself as the other character you respawn as captain ginyu and then you can final smash body swap and swap the characters back and the other player will respawn as goku... but with a blaster... that shoots spirit bombs.
Yakal
Torquasm-Rao
How whimsical of you.
rjgbadger
Banned via Warnings
wolf should be able to low blaster by making the airdodge be able to cancel earlier
i would be excited if the blaster wen a little farther
and i really think his dair shouldn't cause knockdown at 0-20 ish on a lot of chars
i would be excited if the blaster wen a little farther
and i really think his dair shouldn't cause knockdown at 0-20 ish on a lot of chars
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
Yes, all of those work on different percentages, it's rather new so it still needs to be more explored.
The somersault->skid attack combo debuted in sonic adventure 2/sonic advance, the attack appeared again on heroes, advance 2 and 3, even on shadow the hedgehog and '06 iirc.
They were inspired from those moves, yes.
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Do people not realize that Wolf's laser is actually very, very good as it is?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
no, they dont =[
I don't like it. The actual laser (or more like Fireball I don't think you can call it a laser at this point) is not that threatening. I'm not impressed that regular sex kicks eat through it like bagels. Guile called and he wants his projectile to get eaten by standing mediums.
The movement options out of his laser also don't impress me because it seems mostly irrelevant. Fox and Falco laser, hit the ground, no lag. Simple and damn efficient. Why would you need to WD? If you are lasering so close to a person that you are badly misspaced and they will punish you, but that little WD backwards would save you... then don't laser that close to someone lol. Honestly, it just means less time to do more lasers. Why would falco WD/WL out of his laser, go through that lag, when he could simply hit the ground and be jumping already? Same with Fox.
The movement options out of his laser also don't impress me because it seems mostly irrelevant. Fox and Falco laser, hit the ground, no lag. Simple and damn efficient. Why would you need to WD? If you are lasering so close to a person that you are badly misspaced and they will punish you, but that little WD backwards would save you... then don't laser that close to someone lol. Honestly, it just means less time to do more lasers. Why would falco WD/WL out of his laser, go through that lag, when he could simply hit the ground and be jumping already? Same with Fox.
Comeback Kid
Smash Champion
I like that Sonic has a nice repertoire of kick and foot attacks, it suits him well.
I think too often people think Sonic just spins circles around his opponents physics-free when that's only true in anime.
In the classic games you have to rev up your spindashes and you need momentum to roll into badniks.
Physics need to play a big role in Sonic's spin attacks and not just "gotta go fast" while hopping everywhere like he's on crack.
I think too often people think Sonic just spins circles around his opponents physics-free when that's only true in anime.
In the classic games you have to rev up your spindashes and you need momentum to roll into badniks.
Physics need to play a big role in Sonic's spin attacks and not just "gotta go fast" while hopping everywhere like he's on crack.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
I think that maybe you've never played against a good Wolf, DMG. I use his lasers very often and they are amazing. Seriously, they do not need any form of a buff.
The actual laser is crap. You can do unique things with it due to how slow it travels, but the laser as a standalone threat is poor imo because the speed and especially the priority are super lacking. Like being able to Falcon Nair through it no prob feels very wrong. Now if the opponent has bad ways of breaking it, say Ganon in the air who doesn't want to be committed to Fair or might not hit with his Nair, then sure it becomes fairly annoying lol.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
you only use heavy fireballs in street fighter too right
*****
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FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
You have to also think that a slow moving projectile is a constant threat, specially wolf's since he can act while the projectile is moving, you will have to concentrate on both the laser moving towards you and wolf doing the same.
It's the kind of projectile that is there to help his rushdown much more than work incredibly well as a keepaway tool.
If the projectile does both things, you get a character like Morrigan in umvc3.
It's the kind of projectile that is there to help his rushdown much more than work incredibly well as a keepaway tool.
If the projectile does both things, you get a character like Morrigan in umvc3.
I don't always use Slow Fireballs
But when I do, I expect them to go through punches
On that I agree. It's much more useful as an approaching tool in tandem with Wolf moving than any defensive application. However the priority still works against it offensively because the threat is a fireball not a laser. That lets you focus more on Wolf, especially in an environment (Smash) where you aren't so limited in your responses to projectiles.
Edit: ^^^ Hylian answered it easier. The "Guile" idea works better in those games because the opponent's options are fewer and much more predictable. Not to mention if you get trapped or have to block, you eat chip damage where as we get lovely shields and PSing.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Wolf's lasers are great. They're not as good as Falco's lasers, but that's practically how the whole character is. Great, but not as good as.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
you're thinking too linearly. wolf can use lasers in the air too. they only have so many movement options. and a well placed laser can help cover a lot of them, and due to its slow speed you'll have time to catch up with it and cover the rest.
Comeback Kid
Smash Champion
If Wolf's laser is supposed to be a slow fireball, it should be bigger so it covers more space.
Well gotta be somewhat careful with that. Lucario's super AS is very well executed for the idea (and thank god it's balanced by needing the super lol). Wolf has a more spammable option, you can't make it too big or janky otherwise yes the threat of Wolf approaching or covering your option with it would be ridiculous. The only change I would do is better priority. That's it.
On that note, would you guys even be able to make it a laser? I don't remember everything but I thought you guys were having trouble changing or making projectiles.
On that note, would you guys even be able to make it a laser? I don't remember everything but I thought you guys were having trouble changing or making projectiles.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
"Catch up with it?" How far away are you using this laser? If you're doing it from any form of distance the opponent can easily just shift to a better positioning and punish Wolf's approach unless you're on FD or something. Whenever I saw Eli throwing out lasers at me, he was doing it right in my face, lining up two or three of them together.
Sanity's_Theif
Smash Ace
Wolf's lazers are mad good, true stuff
.............seriously they're good already
.............seriously they're good already
KingBlaze777
Smash Apprentice
The only things that are holding Wolf's laser back is priority and travel length (MAAAYYYBE speed, but not as much as the other two.) If Wolf's laser could travel a third of what Falco's laser does and have the same priority, Wolf's laser games could be just as powerful as Falco's while keeping its originality.
Red(SP)
Smash Journeyman
I know I don't play a lot of Wolf's on average, so getting used to the laser waveland was a bit awkward for me.
I don't think the lasers are that bad at all, imo. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the PMBR buffed some aspect of the laser to make it more viable in use.
I don't think the lasers are that bad at all, imo. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the PMBR buffed some aspect of the laser to make it more viable in use.
Magus420
Smash Master
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We'll be playing until about 10:30 pm.
We'll be playing until about 10:30 pm.
JOE!
Smash Hero
WHy isnt his lazer transcendant like the other spacies/vBrawl?
Revven
FrankerZ
Why doesn't it have laser priority? Because it's a different character with different properties and uses for the move compared to those other characters and their similar moves. It's like asking why Toon Link's bombs aren't single hit like Link's bombs.
Design reasoning aside, it's balance concerns too.
JOE!
Smash Hero
Balance wise, it's incredibly easy to just attack through them <_<
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Ahh, I see... However, I've only seen the 'somersault' in Sonic Advance. Right at the end of Sonic's standard attack sequence if you pressed A instead of B, he'd do this huge flip into the air. Perhaps I just missed it in other games.....but I've played the other Sonic Advances, Heroes, and even Shadow (I think I'm one of the only people who thinks Heroes is a good game). Fully completed all of them, too...
Again, this whole post can be summarized as "Wolf's lasers are not as good as Falco's." I agree and I also agree that Wolf is not as good as a character as Falco is. Now, is the problem with Wolf or with Falco?
However, you are right. Having to inflict 10 frames more of lag for a laser is a little extraneous. Still, I'm fine with it.
This man speaks the truth. We need Sheik to look more manly so that people have a hard time discerning whether she is female or not. Oh, and the spacees need more barrel rolls.
Welcome to the miserable life of Samus. Do you think she likes having missiles made of papier-mâché and charged shots that are popped like balloons? Now another character can share her pain.
Well, since you bring her up, Morrigan is good but she's not Top Tier by herself like Zero, Vergil, Doom, etc. She just works really well with certain (campy) teammates.
hotdogturtle
Smash Master
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I just had the funniest thing happen against a CPU... I was Wario against a level 9 Luigi. He was recovering on the right side of Battlefield and I intercepted him with a dair meteor. I stayed on the right edge to taunt. Straight from the respawn platform, he ran to the left side of the stage (without even coming towards me at all), waited at the edge, and then jumped off and airdodged to his death.
I was going to upload it and make a joke about the PMBR programming in a secret "salt" feature for CPUs, but my replay desynched (even though I'm using the wifi codeset).
I was going to upload it and make a joke about the PMBR programming in a secret "salt" feature for CPUs, but my replay desynched (even though I'm using the wifi codeset).
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Woooooooooaaaaaaaaaaah, did SWF suddenly get a new feature? "The maximum amount of posts on this page can display has been reached. Posts will now start to disappear from oldest to newest."
Edit: Holy cow, SWF has horrible grammar.
Edit: Holy cow, SWF has horrible grammar.
Perhaps it was already desynched before the match even ended? That's what the CPU's behavior makes it seem like.....
Revven
FrankerZ
Let me spin it another way.
You'd rather Wolf weave in, shoot the laser, AD back constantly with walls of lasers that are slow and controlling space, making it extremely difficult for characters slower than he is to get through and attack him? Because that's kind of what would happen and what we experienced when they were laser priority for awhile. Which would make Wolf's matches progressively slower depending on the MU and all that jazz.
Or, would you rather him be able to shoot all the lasers he wants, but characters can get through them reasonably well?
We've tested a lot of stuff before... I don't think it's out of the question to assume we already tried laser priority on them to know they were stupid.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Not as gahlike as me, Jolteon.
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