Project M Social Thread

[Omni]

Wario's Up-B is frame 6. Is Bowser's Up-B still frame 5?

Not 100% sure, but I was under the impression that his starting frames had invincibility. Not sure which frames or for how long.

This is why I need all of PM's frame data!

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I'm sure Bowser's does, yeah.

As far as I can tell, Wario's doesn't, but, I could be wrong.

 

[Omni]

Wario should have the ability to fart during up+b. That'd be sick.

 

[UltiMario]

It would be sick... in Brawl-.

This is Project M yo.

 

[drsusredfish]

Yeah, I get what you're saying.



A frame 7 jab when so many other chars have a frame 2 or 3 jab? Lolz, a grab is usually 6-7 frames. That means you can grab DDD's jab if done at the same time. That's horrible, because jabs are oftentimes used to interrupt grab mix-ups.

Example: Falcon ditto. One Falcon attempts to jab > grab the other, but in between the two attacks, the second Falcon jabs the first one back to foil the grab attempt.

DDD can't even do this basic thing. Having to depend on.......Jet Hammer as a faster option than jab is just sad, considering how much lag that thing has.

Edit: Looking at the whole roster, I think (don't quote me on this) that DDD has the slowest jab in P:M right now. If not, then it's definitely one of them. Maybe Marth's is slower. Idk...

(quoted anyway)

Zelda has a 10 frame jab

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It would be sick... in Brawl-.

Mostly because it still has super armor there.

 

[Youngling]

what's the point of Charizard's up throw?

 

[bubbaking]

Bowser's upB has 4-5 frames of startup invincibility (starting on frame 1) and it hits on frame 5.

Edit: There is no point in Charizard's uthrow other than to infuriate yourself for ever putting your hopes and dreams in the move.

 

[Youngling]

I upthrow all the time thinking he'll just toss them up so I can start a juggle then I'm like what the **** this move is ********

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Does U-Throw KO?

 

[bubbaking]

If the move killed reliably at a % lower than 150%, then it would be something useful.

Edit: @Reflex, it's supposed to be a kill-throw, but the move's so Di'able that it never really kills anyone below super high %'s.

 

[cannedbread]

pit's uthrow and shiek's uthrow look the same. they both suck too.

 

[Youngling]

all I know is that I've never killed anyone with it and I've never followed anything up with it and it gives me absolutely no positional advantage

 

[drsusredfish]

@zard up throw
yes but at like 130%

 

[iLink]

I normally don't use uthrow unless there's a platform above me or if I know it'll kill.

 

[bubbaking]

The problem with the move is that you have a ton of time to see which way you should DI the move and the move allows a LOT of DI. The throw certainly does have good KB at high %'s, but it's so darn easy to avoid death from it. Zard scoops you up and during that time, just take a gander around. Oh, the vertical blastzone seems really high. Let me hold towards Zard so I go mostly just up. Oh, those sides seem really far away. Let me hold away from Zard and go over there. Oh dang, I might die this time. The blastzones aren't really that good this time. Doesn't matter. I can DI the move so I end up perfectly in the corner of the blastzones every single time.

 

[Omni]

So then use it when you need to force someone to tech on a platform that's higher than most platforms i.e. BF's highest platform.

The move is only useless if you don't know how to use it.

Going against a character that has bad positioning when they're above? Up-throw! Against fast fallers at low %'s? Baits!

 

[ph00tbag]

what's the point of Charizard's up throw?

It does more damage than his other throws and puts the opponent either above Charizard, allowing him to control their descent, or way off to the side, which gives him a lot more stage to work with.

 

[leelue]

http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp/b/332320302?t=3h11m25s


Right after he says "Lucario is down" and Omni throws the ball at me, I do the best taunt ever.
I'm so glad you posted this video. I was worried that I wouldnt find this.

EDIT: pivotpivotpivotpivot

 

[Kink-Link5]

Also, whats with the change to Toon Link's up-b? Why make it so bad lol.

And Pit's up-b, dafuq is that.

Pit's up-b has a disjointed killing hitbox above it and can safely sweetspot the ledge already, which is more than some characters can say. Pit's recovery is largely focused on his glide, and using Up-B out of it yields some, erm, interesting recovery momentum.

Toon Link's up B is also a kill move and can be combined with bombs to take 12% in order to recover. Or more increments of 12% to recover more.

 

[Spoon~]

Pit's up-b has a disjointed killing hitbox above it and can safely sweetspot the ledge already, which is more than some characters can say. Pit's recovery is largely focused on his glide, and using Up-B out of it yields some, erm, interesting recovery momentum.

baha thats awesome

 

[bubbaking]

So then use it when you need to force someone to tech on a platform that's higher than most platforms i.e. BF's highest platform.

The move is only useless if you don't know how to use it.

Force someone to tech? Omni, have you ever played Charizard? Like, seriously? His uthrow doesn't force anything to tech. The move gives him no advantage whatsoever until mid %'s when they start ending up a good distance above or in front of Charizard.

Going against a character that has bad positioning when they're above? Up-throw! Against fast fallers at low %'s? Baits!

Someone else made this positioning argument a while ago and I'll say the same thing now that I did then. I'd rather go for the TC (dthrow) or the horizontal gimp setup (side throws) in nearly any situation. It doesn't work at low %'s or against fast fallers as a setup of any sort because Charizard bounces backwards from where he impacted off the ground, so he's awkwardly in the air in no position to follow up at all.

 

[MaxThunder]

my internet connection is now limited to this site... no matter what i do, i can't access rest of internet... no irc, no other site, nothing...

zard's up-throw is pretty dumb... you mostly wouldn't be able to use it to force someone to tech on a high platform... cause they can DI away from it and not have to tech... could work sometimes, though...

 

[DrinkingFood]

About Pit's interesting recovery momentum... wasn't that fixed in 2.1?

 

[bubbaking]

Protip: Zard's bthrow kills shortly after uthrow does and even before uthrow does on stages with close horizontal blastzones.

 

[MaxThunder]

i like back-throw better than up-throw now... up-throw is actually my least favorite throw now...

 

[Kink-Link5]

About Pit's interesting recovery momentum... wasn't that fixed in 2.1?

I can't really say because PMBR changelist doesn't give much detail about how the momentum is different. It's all hush hush secret voodoo stuff.

Up-Throw?

MORE LIKE THROW UP

I'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT FOLKS

 

[DrinkingFood]

Actually I'm pretty sure magus or someone detailed the changes to pit's glide momentum issues just before or just after the patch. I don't feel like digging it up tbh tho.

 

[Dingding123]

mabe most upthows should thro ppl hi
but more hittsuns den oter trhows

so then u don deth combo ppl to deth but u get garnted free uair or nar if ur fast enuf
except on big brusers lik zard an booser, they cud just hav hi damag puthrows
kind like zrad arldy hsa

 

[McNinja]

mabe most upthows should thro ppl hi
but more hittsuns den oter trhows

so then u don deth combo ppl to deth but u get garnted free uair or nar if ur fast enuf
except on big brusers lik zard an booser, they cud just hav hi damag puthrows
kind like zrad arldy has

I tried running this through a translator, but it didn't work. Can I get an english version of this?

 

[bubbaking]

Y'know, that's a good idea. Uthrows should have a little higher BKB so that uthrow CGs are less prominent on FF'ers. In return, they'd get more hitstun to work with for combos and such. These uthrows could also have lower KBG so that they could remain as reliable combo starters or KO setups without being simple kill moves by themselves.

 

[MaxThunder]

you can't just put more hitstun on an attack... doesn't work like that...

 

[Revven]

In return, they'd get more hitstun to work with for combos and such.

Hitstun isn't an individual value in the game we can tweak on a move by move basis.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Ground Bounce U-throws are the way of the future.

Neko knows all about that 2013 game design.

 

[GHNeko]

You don't even know what goes through my head when it comes to breaking the mold and pushing the limits.

Just wait. 10 years from now.

Da bess fightan gaem.

>Lead Developer and Director: GHNeko

 

[Omni]

Charizard's up-throw is literally a psuedo Metaknight/Kirby up-throw. Why are you complaining about it? It does decent knockback at higher %'s and can help get kills when you get the grab on a higher platformed area.

 

[Dingding123]

Hitstun isn't an individual value in the game; we can tweak it on a move by move basis.

gud
den get 2 wrk


Edit: I burst out laughing when I saw you try to edit your post, Revven. 2gud

 

[GHNeko]

stay in character dingding.

 

[Shadic]

No, please don't.

 

[ph00tbag]

Y'know, that's a good idea. Uthrows should have a little higher BKB so that uthrow CGs are less prominent on FF'ers. In return, they'd get more hitstun to work with for combos and such. These uthrows could also have lower KBG so that they could remain as reliable combo starters or KO setups without being simple kill moves by themselves.

Someone needs to retake algebra.