Project M Social Thread

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

I think giving him a useful Utilt would be more of a buff than removing Dthrow chaingrab would be a nerf. And yeah, Warlock punch can be used for that as well, but Utilt does something like 10 more damage on top of taking probably a good 2 seconds more to come out, so the opponent can be mocked more for their stupidity.

As someone who plays bowser i disagree. The cg is way to strong vs bowser it goes from 0 to over 100% and is death on small stages

 

[Rubyiris]

Ganons cg is amazing.

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[ph00tbag]

Ganon's cg is boring.

 

[Rubyiris]

So wut it wins

 

[DrinkingFood]

Also it's gimmicky

 

[Rubyiris]

Dthrowing mid weights and floaters is a gimmick? Falcon would like to have a word with you.

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[DrinkingFood]

Falcon? He's like the king of gimmicks. He IS a gimmick. The gimmick of gimmicks. They should call him Captain Gimmick, or Gimmick Falcon, or just Gimmick Gimmick.

Also it's a mindgame

 

[Rubyiris]

You should meet gg7. He's the most straight forward falcon in existence.

Amusingly, that in itself could probably be considered a gimmick.

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[iLink]

So what exactly is different about how shields work? As far as I can tell, there really isn't much of a noticeable difference.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Lightshielding isn't an option.

 

[Revven]

So what exactly is different about how shields work? As far as I can tell, there really isn't much of a noticeable difference.

Pushback, degen, regen.

 

[iLink]

Is the pushback more or less then melee?

I'm honestly fine with the degeneration and regeneration of shields. It's refreshing to actually be able to shield break someone.

 

[`dazrin]

I dunno, when I'm shield-breaking people consistently with toon link, I can't help but feel like something is wrong. :<

Also I've killed people who tried to ledge hop fair me just by shielding and having them be dropped back off the edge and unable to recover. xD it's mostly because they weren't ready for something like that, but it's resulted in tons of LOLs and WTFs.

 

[Revven]

Is the pushback more or less then melee?

It really depends on the character, but generally it's more, as Falco's pressure is not exactly the same on most characters as it would be in Melee.

 

[Citrus]

It really depends on the character, but generally it's more, as Falco's pressure is not exactly the same on most characters as it would be in Melee.

I thought the shields felt funny.
Explains why I wiff more on shieldgrabs.

 

[iLink]

Consistent shield breaks with toonlink? I'd like to see that.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I like that you can shieldbreak people in this game, but I feel like it happens too often and too easily.

I do really like that Warlock Punch seems to break full shields, though.

 

[iLink]

How often does it really happen though? Out of 10 matches you would MAYBE see 1 shield break, if even that.

 

[`dazrin]

Full hop double arrow -> boomerang -> shffl nair/fair -> dsmash/Usmash.

Repeat another boomerang->nair->dsmash and you'll have a shield break assuming you did it all perfectly and most hits hit shield. Bonus points if you get both hits of dsmash on shield

And yeah, it doesn't happen TOO often because you realize your shield is almost gone and you just stop shielding to avoid it as a result.

In my doubles match at PMP I shield broke someone's Mario by just constantly rang->nair->dsmash. Was pretty lol.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I think it happens more often than it should because people aren't used to their shield actually being able to be broken, so stay in shield when they shouldn't.

 

[iLink]

That's what I mean though. No way you should consciously be getting hit with all of that on shield considering all your movement options.

How do you even get hit with both double arrows?

 

[`dazrin]

Try it. It's not hard. The hitstun is long enough that the first one will combo into the second one. If its on shield, the first one and the second one hit almost simultaneously if you shield the first one. You have to see it to know what I'm saying.

 

[PGH Carroll]

luigi short hop Dair + falling nair + d=tilt. usually breaks shields

 

[DrinkingFood]

His dtilt does high shield damage?

 

[PGH Carroll]

yes..... oh god yes

 

[DrinkingFood]

Well that's gimmicky.

 

[iLink]

Try it. It's not hard. The hitstun is long enough that the first one will combo into the second one. If its on shield, the first one and the second one hit almost simultaneously if you shield the first one. You have to see it to know what I'm saying.

I'm a more then competent toonlink and play against one pretty often. If you are doing that often and landing it, the other guy is asleep at the control.

@Carroll: I'm more then sure you can roll out of the way of nair if you shield dair.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

His D-Tilt is the equivalent of a Mr. Saturn hit, considering the shield damage and sound.

 

[`dazrin]

Well, maybe if the full hop double arrow doesn't have forward momentum. In that case, I totally agree LOL

No one ever gets hit by a fhda in place with both arrows. Haha

 

[Shadic]

Well that's gimmicky.

It's Luigi.

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

Lightshielding isn't an option.

Obviously someone's been playing the Wifi build.

EDIT: The input is registered, the effect isn't- that's probably what you're talking about.

 

[FireBall Stars]

It's also a 15% attack that forces getups.

Lightshielding isn't an option because there isn't lightshielding in the game. In both builds.

 

[`dazrin]

Jedi, I think you're talking about the light-press input, which isn't in the wifi-safe build.

 

[DrinkingFood]

Lightshielding is a gimmick if done properly.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Playing video games is gimmicky. All the inputs are arbitrarily difficult for no reason.

Everything should combo perfectly automatically. Technical skill is an arbitrary gimmick.

It's even composed of two words that are synonymous with the others. Technical is the same thing as arbitrary, and skills are the same thing as gimmicks.

 

[`dazrin]

DF, can we not start this again?

It's a different thread, different forum, different site, but it still doesn't contribute to the discussion.

>_>

 

[Mr.Pickle]

Falcon? He's like the king of gimmicks. He IS a gimmick. The gimmick of gimmicks. They should call him Captain Gimmick, or Gimmick Falcon, or just Gimmick Gimmick.

Falcon? Don't you mean lucario?

 

[abcool]

Can you tilt shields all the way under your feet like in Melee, seems you can't tilt the shields fully in a certain direction in Project M. An yes i agree shield push and degen and regen needs to be fixed BADLY. If it was like Melee more people would be playing spacies and not hating the game so much

 

[leelue]

Pushback is annoying I suppose, but why do you think regen and degeneration NEED to be fixed

 

[abcool]

Shields break wayyy to easily right now. They can't take much hits and i think they regen faster than in Melee. it's kinda crazy to wanna keep these funky shields, if we are trying to repllicate Melee and its shields wer apart of its deep metagame. I am a little bais, but Melee shields were perfect for it's metagame.