MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
I've used knife to go into grab, dtilt, ftilt, utilt, sticking a c4, jab, and hitting with another crabtilt.
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Project M Social Thread
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Jonny Westside
S4mus Fiend
thanks but i was hoping to get advice from snake mains or good players lolI've used knife to go into grab, dtilt, ftilt, utilt, sticking a c4, jab, and hitting with another crabtilt.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
monks snake will body you. sorry bro
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Jiang was the one who named it crabtilt.
I want to get some vids of snake up soon, but I haven't played snake much in the last couple of months. And those options from crabtilt were against spacies, so idk how much of that is applicable to chars like cf, marth, or puff
I want to get some vids of snake up soon, but I haven't played snake much in the last couple of months. And those options from crabtilt were against spacies, so idk how much of that is applicable to chars like cf, marth, or puff
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Meta plays snake against me a fair bit, and he uses it as a..
"shield stab"
ba dum tsh
Lol, but jokes aside, he's actually used it to "jab reset" to get in a grab, and he's also used it into a dtilt, but that's all he's done.
Actually, now that I think about it, he actually has shield poked me with it a couple times.
"shield stab"
ba dum tsh
Lol, but jokes aside, he's actually used it to "jab reset" to get in a grab, and he's also used it into a dtilt, but that's all he's done.
Actually, now that I think about it, he actually has shield poked me with it a couple times.
Curses, foiled again. D:Jiang was the one who named it crabtilt.
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Ah,, imo not really. He isn't a "very good" character at all. He's not terrible, but thats not saying much considering everyone in p:m isn't terrible. It's just that alot more characters **** him than he does **** others. Projectiles are super effective against him and he has a predictable recovery- Although I'll give him that his recoveries are pretty good in terms of distance and they have alot of priority (glair/up-b). Not to mention that charizards d-throw tech-chase is pretty good, and backthrow/ uthrow is a kill throw. It's mostly that his aerials, besides his uair are kinda slow despite being a very 'airbourne' character, he gets combo'd kinda easily and projectiles are the bane of his existence.
Some things that BC smashers have thrown around is that he would benefit from a faster nair animation and a bit faster bair. Also, make his glide speed a bit faster and a bit more options out of it other than just glair. (not as many options as pit's glide though, and not as fast as pit's glide either) I would say he should be able to at least jump out of his glide, but anyways, charizard mains will just have to deal with it for now.
Cero
Smash Lord
I'm sorry but I don't keep up with this thread anymore. Whenever I play on Metal Cavern, it sometimes randomly freezes. Is this due to a know issue or could this be just a strange problem with my file?
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Probably something to do with your files. Check it out, maybe a clean install will do the trick even though it's bothersome.
Do you have any textures on metal cavern?
Do you have any textures on metal cavern?
Cero
Smash Lord
Nope. Only thing I have custom is music. I'll probably just do a clean install when I'm not feeling too lazy.
`dazrin
Smash Champion
When you do your clean install, try formatting your memory card as well. That usually solves problems with random freezes and static and whatnot.
Cero
Smash Lord
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for the reminder, Daze. 
RomeDogg
Smash Journeyman
This is just an idea but I really think that Project M needs its own section on the smashboards.com main page. I mean because seriously it will be its own game and will be more popular than Brawl+ Brawl - and likely even Melee. So its more worthy than any other Mod to be considered its own legitimate game and deserves respect as being one.
If not here I think Project M needs its own Project M Boards separate from Smashboards but linked to from smashboards. Maybe linked to from smashboards by this very thread itself at the very least. Just think about it though. All the mains of Charizard, Snake, Mario etc are forced to share a discussion space with all the other characters in Project M and heck they need to even share a conversation space with everything else Project M related. This is in my opinion turning into a clusterf*** disaster.
Its just far to unorganized I mean how can the game develop in such a trapped environment, people will have to search this threads for hours-days to see if a question on a character has already been answered and people will keep asking the same questions. You can't really discuss Project M characters on the Brawl Character specific boards either so we need a solution to this problem. Anyone who agrees with me and supports the idea spread it to people who are in charge of certain things on this site.
If not here I think Project M needs its own Project M Boards separate from Smashboards but linked to from smashboards. Maybe linked to from smashboards by this very thread itself at the very least. Just think about it though. All the mains of Charizard, Snake, Mario etc are forced to share a discussion space with all the other characters in Project M and heck they need to even share a conversation space with everything else Project M related. This is in my opinion turning into a clusterf*** disaster.
Its just far to unorganized I mean how can the game develop in such a trapped environment, people will have to search this threads for hours-days to see if a question on a character has already been answered and people will keep asking the same questions. You can't really discuss Project M characters on the Brawl Character specific boards either so we need a solution to this problem. Anyone who agrees with me and supports the idea spread it to people who are in charge of certain things on this site.
metroid1117
Smash Master
RomeDogg
Smash Journeyman
Oh well thank you. I do request that the link to that site should be on the first post of this thread so more people see it!!!
MaxThunder
PM Support
B-reverse neutral b and fly out, fool
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metroid1117
Smash Master
On the topic of B-reversals, is it possible to B-reverse Wario's side+B? I can do it with Ike's QD, but I've never gotten it to work with Wario. It'd be extremely useful for using the side+B outside of dashdance range, so I'm curious why it seems like the PMBR denied Wario this option.
MaxThunder
PM Support
The first link links to the project m site... and it has a community tab...
Though it would be good to have forum link in the OP yeah...
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
You can't, I've tested it. It's too bad, because if anybody needs a subtle buff that would also make sense given the general function of the game, it's Wario.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
I've made it quite clear that unless someone wants to drive 12 hours out of their way I'm not going to any scene in the next ahdunnuh, 3 and a half years while I'm in college.
At the same time, I don't even have to play Project M to to observe that Wolf, as it stands, is low in the metagame. Same thing with Ness. If I was going off how I felt about the characters, Ness would be like #3, but that's not where my character impressions come from. Ness is pretty terrible in the meta for the time being; it doesn't matter how I personally feel about the characters, and it shouldn't because my experience with the game on hand is not the meta of it.
But then the metagame is early. All you ****ers talking about Wolf being #6, get to work. All I can do is observe. I'm like Al here, ****.
Also morning gents.
At the same time, I don't even have to play Project M to to observe that Wolf, as it stands, is low in the metagame. Same thing with Ness. If I was going off how I felt about the characters, Ness would be like #3, but that's not where my character impressions come from. Ness is pretty terrible in the meta for the time being; it doesn't matter how I personally feel about the characters, and it shouldn't because my experience with the game on hand is not the meta of it.
But then the metagame is early. All you ****ers talking about Wolf being #6, get to work. All I can do is observe. I'm like Al here, ****.
Also morning gents.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Good morning to you as well.
So I have an odd story. You guys probably won't see the point until I get to the end, and I'm so forever alone I figured I'd share it with you guys. But there is a reason that I would share it on smashboards which you'll see at the end.
So last night I had a dream. But it was a nightmare, one that has recurred from my childhood but I haven't had in years. I'm sure some of you are familiar with that kind of dream, the ones that terrify you no matter how ridiculous. It consists of a creature reminiscent of Jeepers Creepers but rather than being a bat-human thing, it's a scorpion human thing, which poisons you with its tail and waits for you to die, then sheds its skin and replaces it with yours. So in typical dream logic we went to bed, even after it had killed one person in the my house (it went to hide in the air conditioning vents). We slept in pairs for "safety" and me and my partner, who I know is my friend but whose name I can't figure out, for some reason shared a bed so we could spread a blanket flat over us and make it look like there was nobody there (again, dream logic). After two hours (in dream time) of sitting there, my partner started to go insane from the tension and started screaming rhymes daring the creature to come kill us. I tried to shut him up, but it was too late at that point- the thing found us, threw him off of me (my dream, so of course it's after me) and stabbed me with its tail. Before it had retreated to wait for me to die, it saw me trying to squeeze the wound to get the poison out, like you would get the pus out of a pimple. He turned and responded to me simply, again in adherence with dream logic, "It's Melee poison, you'll never get it out," then laughed and fled.
My dream ended before I died.
Brawl fanboys, eat your heart out.
So I have an odd story. You guys probably won't see the point until I get to the end, and I'm so forever alone I figured I'd share it with you guys. But there is a reason that I would share it on smashboards which you'll see at the end.
So last night I had a dream. But it was a nightmare, one that has recurred from my childhood but I haven't had in years. I'm sure some of you are familiar with that kind of dream, the ones that terrify you no matter how ridiculous. It consists of a creature reminiscent of Jeepers Creepers but rather than being a bat-human thing, it's a scorpion human thing, which poisons you with its tail and waits for you to die, then sheds its skin and replaces it with yours. So in typical dream logic we went to bed, even after it had killed one person in the my house (it went to hide in the air conditioning vents). We slept in pairs for "safety" and me and my partner, who I know is my friend but whose name I can't figure out, for some reason shared a bed so we could spread a blanket flat over us and make it look like there was nobody there (again, dream logic). After two hours (in dream time) of sitting there, my partner started to go insane from the tension and started screaming rhymes daring the creature to come kill us. I tried to shut him up, but it was too late at that point- the thing found us, threw him off of me (my dream, so of course it's after me) and stabbed me with its tail. Before it had retreated to wait for me to die, it saw me trying to squeeze the wound to get the poison out, like you would get the pus out of a pimple. He turned and responded to me simply, again in adherence with dream logic, "It's Melee poison, you'll never get it out," then laughed and fled.
My dream ended before I died.
Brawl fanboys, eat your heart out.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Go back to sleep Food. You are spouting sillies again.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
No, I must stay awake, the demon awaits me in my dreams.
I only got 4 hours of sleep
I only got 4 hours of sleep
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
I'd SOOOOOO get that one rather than the 360 palette swap.
The Meleefied Brawl newcomers are what as of now and in my judgement, dominates the P:M scene. People eager to see, discover, and dominate their playstyles while trying to find out anything no one knows about, just how the Melee metagame evolved with certain characters (IMHO).With regards to the "Wolf is good" discussion, I'm surprised no one has brought up Professor Pro winning many PM tournaments in the UK with Wolf. Part of it can be that people are experimenting with Brawl newcomers instead of their Melee mains (the top three from their most recent tournament, SR4, was Wolf, Ike, and Wario, in that order) and that Professor Pro is very good (he placed 2nd in Melee), but I seriously doubt that Wolf is a bad character.
Also, I think Charizard has some glaring weaknesses, but he's extremely fun to play and isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be.
Lastly, I just wanted to give the heads-up that I'm going to another PM tournament this weekend. Expect more Ike and more videos! We'll have more setups this time around, so not all the bracket matches will get recorded. However, I'll try to ensure that matches towards the end of the bracket get recorded.
@DrinkingFood: I saw your edit and was just going to ask why Charizard needed subtle nerfs. I agree with you though; I know we're supposed to play like the characters are final, but I think he needs a bigger ledge grab box.
About Charizard though, a bigger ledge grab box would do very nicely.
Yeah, Wolf and Ness' metagame hasn't been developed very consistently. And no, how you feel about a character should not determine how you play with that character.
Melee poison? Really? Brawl is the poison, and at most, Melee would be an antidote XD
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Well what understood of it (and looking to dreams for advice is foreign to me) is that Melee would be a poison because our obsession with it is causing stagnation in the competitive smash world and preventing progress that could come of being more accepting of new smash games.
I don't feel that way though, and I most certainly do not believe it's true. The fact that melee inspired Project M (which is the epitome of progress) is clearly refutation of that. But it's what I expected the "hardcore" brawl fans to get out of it, regardless of whether or not it's right.
I don't feel that way though, and I most certainly do not believe it's true. The fact that melee inspired Project M (which is the epitome of progress) is clearly refutation of that. But it's what I expected the "hardcore" brawl fans to get out of it, regardless of whether or not it's right.
Revven
FrankerZ
You likely need to perform a My Music reset on your Mushroomy Kingdom, sir.
`dazrin
Smash Champion
I believe it is a spike. That's what the smashers in my area were saying. So not exactly sure lol
Revven
FrankerZ
No, it's a meteor.
JediKnightTemplar
Smash Lord
I wish my dreams were that awesome. The best I have is Moses standing on a mountain of coal while lightning strikes him.
On topic though, is it just me or does Pit destroy Ganondorf (well, destroy isn't the right word, but it appears he has a solid advantage in the matchup)? It seems like most of my usual tricks with him (mainly comboing out of dThrow and Flame Choke) are utterly ineffective against him and that Pit can DI out of most of his aerials due to his incredible floatiness. It's probably just my own ineptness causing this though, so what exactly can I do to counter Pit's floatiness?
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Both pretty good options.
Pit's floatiness is the least of Ganon's problems in the matchup though.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Sounds pretty awesome to me. I hope there wasn't sarcasm there because I didn't get it then lol.
Sneak8288
Smash Champion
Pikachu vs Snake is an sucky matchup.. especially when the pka player is chudat T_T... Has anyone else played that matchup yet?
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
I streamed 9 hours of Project M yesterday.
http://www.twitch.tv/kingfunk/b/320730973 -> Can someone explain me this? My friend did it by accident and I'm not sure how.
http://www.twitch.tv/kingfunk/b/320730330 -> Delfino is hilarious
http://www.twitch.tv/kingfunk/b/320730973 -> Can someone explain me this? My friend did it by accident and I'm not sure how.
http://www.twitch.tv/kingfunk/b/320730330 -> Delfino is hilarious
ClinkStryphart
Smash Journeyman
@kingfunk it looked like to me he was approaching you with Z. Hence forward B and forward with Z look exactly the same but one grabs where the other hits. Yes delfino is pretty funny.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
I played Chu in that matchup just a few weeks ago. I can't remember exactly how it went but I'm pretty sure I won. Can't check at the moment but the videos are on my youtube.
What exactly are you basing your observations on? Theorycrafting? Wifi friendlies? Because if you go by tournament data, Wolf and Ness are 2 of a handful of characters who have tourney wins under their belts. Wolf's win was particularly impressive.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
That's what his running grab looks like. He didn't use side-b.
Also, I lol'd at throwing him into the water as the platform was going up.
JediKnightTemplar
Smash Lord
Is anyone else getting the bug on mobile where the page will refresh itself before it loads any pictures?
`dazrin
Smash Champion
That isn't a side-b canceled into a grab; that's wario's dash-grab. It's designed to LOOK like he's using his side-b, so that it'll trick people into sheilding, where wario takes advantage and grabs them. Wario's designed to be a tricky sonofabetch, so thats why he has that, among many other moves that make him deceptive.
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Also, I agree with JC.
Wolf is NOT anywhere close to being "low" in the metagame. In fact, I'd go so far as to place him top5- in which toonlink is far from, seeing as no toonlink has even come close to winning a tournament yet.
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