Project M Social Thread

[Archangel]

I feel the same way about zeldas telecancel, seems kinda unnecessary. She's good enough without it, with it she just feels silly. You can leave it low lag if you want, but being able to straight up wavedash out of it...eh.

Speaking of unnecessary...lucas' DACUS. that is all.

Seconded. I feel she needs to lose it as it is now in terms of leaving some low lag or she's gotta lose the wall of dins. She can't have both. It feels too much like overpowering a former bottom tier and less like an improvement.

Yeah it's on our list of stuff to do, which is actually very long believe it or not. We don't like doing temporary fixes, we prefer to do it once and do it right.

Respect.

 

[GunBlaze]

Sooo guys...I have some good news, and some bad news.

Good news: I got some matches recorded vs. Dr PP in Project M!
Bad news: He won't play falco =[
Bad news #2: They're still processing =[

In the meantime, I have some matches recorded vs Jim (he's ranked #7 in North Carolina right now). Check them out for awesome Ganon and Charizard play!

[collapse=Me vs. Jim]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWSGhgTOiHU (vs. Falcon)
Kinda lulzy vid...the rest are all vs. Ganon, his main.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxvgxBZ4bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8Q3P4hxYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TambJjqqO1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keyZEi-GEDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqJpeaRSS1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ-77ZUE5k0[/collapse]

Dat Charizard

 

[Wolfy!]

Sooo guys...I have some good news, and some bad news.

Good news: I got some matches recorded vs. Dr PP in Project M!
Bad news: He won't play falco =[
Bad news #2: They're still processing =[

In the meantime, I have some matches recorded vs Jim (he's ranked #7 in North Carolina right now). Check them out for awesome Ganon and Charizard play!

[collapse=Me vs. Jim]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWSGhgTOiHU (vs. Falcon)
Kinda lulzy vid...the rest are all vs. Ganon, his main.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxvgxBZ4bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8Q3P4hxYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TambJjqqO1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keyZEi-GEDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqJpeaRSS1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ-77ZUE5k0[/collapse]

Disclaimer: The Jim featured in these videos is not the same Jim featured in videos on my channel.

 

[-Jumpman-]

He doesn't need to camp, but he also cannot approach "very easily". SideB is difficult to deal with at first, but against more experienced opponents, it can be outspaced vertically and sometimes horizontally with ease. Arrows really help make his approaches much better and I think they really have to be used or else Pit can be beaten by most characters in straight up fights alone.

Even if it's "outspaced", Pit still approached =s

 

[stingers]

I was reading the reddit, and someone posted a really cool idea. Make TL's up b his deku leaf instead of just spin attack. IDK the feasibility of this, but he'd def feel a lot more like TL with it. his up-b as is is kinda ****ty.

BUT it does seem like it'd be rather hard to add in a whole new looking move like that (afaik there are no giant leafs already in brawl lol).

 

[Archangel]

Even if it's "outspaced", Pit still approached =s

please stop defeating yourself.

 

[-Jumpman-]

please stop defeating yourself.

Start learning english. I could've answered PEEF with a more detailed story, but his answer was so ******** it would've been a waste of time.

Because if we simply look at what I claimed, you'll quickly notice I only said Pit doesn't need to camp. I supported this statement with an argument, the option of his sideb. Never claimed it was the only reason, or the only option. PEEF then responded by saying it's not the ultimate approach (just paraphrasing). Of course it ****ing isn't.

 

[Archangel]

Start learning english. I could've answered PEEF with a more detailed story, but his answer was so ******** it would've been a waste of time.

Because if we simply look at what I claimed, you'll quickly notice I only said Pit doesn't need to camp. I supported this statement with an argument, the option of his sideb. Never claimed it was the only reason, or the only option. PEEF then responded by saying it's not the ultimate approach (just paraphrasing). Of course it ****ing isn't.

Whatever, Sounds to me like you are backtracking like a little *****. Perhaps you can side-b attack at the people you play against and use aerials just fine. However, Some players are silly enough to stand there and let you do it without punishing you. The whole argument if you were reading the past few pages was simply the lack of "safe" approaches.

You can approach with ****ing falcon punch if you really want to but that doesn't make it a safe reliable approach.

 

[MonkUnit]

Sooo guys...I have some good news, and some bad news.

Good news: I got some matches recorded vs. Dr PP in Project M!
Bad news: He won't play falco =[
Bad news #2: They're still processing =[

In the meantime, I have some matches recorded vs Jim (he's ranked #7 in North Carolina right now). Check them out for awesome Ganon and Charizard play!

[collapse=Me vs. Jim]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWSGhgTOiHU (vs. Falcon)
Kinda lulzy vid...the rest are all vs. Ganon, his main.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxvgxBZ4bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8Q3P4hxYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TambJjqqO1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keyZEi-GEDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqJpeaRSS1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ-77ZUE5k0[/collapse]

Are the matches vs. PP online or offline?

 

[stingers]

Offline. The ones vs Jim are offline as well

 

[jalued]

Offline. The ones vs Jim are offline as well

soo, are they uploaded yet?

 

[stingers]

Believe me, I'll post them here the second they're all done.

A friend of mine named unholydeath123 is uploading them all on his channel (PMArchive) in 1080p. He's the one who did the vids I posted above as well.

 

[-Jumpman-]

Whatever, Sounds to me like you are backtracking like a little *****. Perhaps you can side-b attack at the people you play against and use aerials just fine. However, Some players are silly enough to stand there and let you do it without punishing you. The whole argument if you were reading the past few pages was simply the lack of "safe" approaches.

You can approach with ****ing falcon punch if you really want to but that doesn't make it a safe reliable approach.

Hate haha, just stop already

 

[MonkUnit]

Believe me, I'll post them here the second they're all done.

A friend of mine named unholydeath123 is uploading them all on his channel (PMArchive) in 1080p. He's the one who did the vids I posted above as well.

If you're talking about uploading the vids against Jim and Dr PP that are offline, unless you were using the online version to play them offline, the replays will desync. Meaning you can't send the replays to PMArchive to record in Dolphin without desync'd replays.

 

[stingers]

yeah, we were using the wifi version offline. saved replays are the best

 

[Strong Badam]

why would you have pp play with an inferior build x_x

 

[stingers]

because its not a big deal? lol I know y'all just want a reason to hate, but the changes are incredibly minor. when you watch him get off I don't think you'll care. Unless you'd rather just not watch at all x.x

like whats even different? the only thing I know is cstick is messed up (and pp doesnt use cstick). I read that you can't shield without pressing the button all the way down, but I half press it and the shield still comes out, so I don't think thats true.

 

[Strong Badam]

it's differentiation between light and full press. in wifi safe a light press does anything. in offline light press does most things and full press does air dodge, like in melee. very important for the feel of wding and wling and such

 

[stingers]

hhmm, yesssss, very important, hmmmm, i see (please fix wd oos )

well I didnt see him air dodging randomly, so I think it's okay. Either way, I didn't hear any complaints from him, so have no fear!

 

[Strong Badam]

if anything it'd be an empty hop when he was trying to WD <_<

 

[stingers]

that is more likely! but his tech was very on point. except the first match we saved (aka the one I win XD) while he was still getting used to it, after that, he got his **** together. Personally, I play with the wifi codeset 99% of the time, and don't mess up my WDs. but for those that are less used to it, I guess it could be more of a problem. But really, the difference between a light press and a full press is prolly less than a frame. people press them dern buttons pretty fastlike

 

[FireBall Stars]

Does wolf's shine have any invincibility?

Also is Luigi's dtilt good for anything? It seems unsafe even on hit.

15% percent forced getup.

WD OoS is really messed up in wifi set, it's enough reason to use the full build.

 

[JCaesar]

All the tourney matches from last weekend are now up, and I even made a playlist for you guys! Featuring Chudat and Vist btw.

 

[`dazrin]

I was reading the reddit, and someone posted a really cool idea. Make TL's up b his deku leaf instead of just spin attack. IDK the feasibility of this, but he'd def feel a lot more like TL with it. his up-b as is is kinda ****ty.

BUT it does seem like it'd be rather hard to add in a whole new looking move like that (afaik there are no giant leafs already in brawl lol).

no.

10lolno's

&thanks JC lol i wonder how chu felt when he realized he couldn't choose kirby or ics

 

[RaphaelRobo]

As of today, I've played all the characters in PM. And aside from Link, they're all insanely fun. Link is just fun, not insanely fun. Zelda's way more fun than I thought she'd be, with Din's Fire and whatnot. Rob is too. I'm probably still going to be a Ganon main, but it looks like I'll have 27 secondaries.

There's just one issue I had with Pikachu. His electric attacks don't hurt himself. Could you guys make it like it was in Melee?

 

[Shadic]

!= ichu:

 

[stingers]

no.

10lolno's

&thanks JC lol i wonder how chu felt when he realized he couldn't choose kirby or ics

youd rather him have generic boring spin attack? ...why

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Pikmin have a leaf on their head. They could enlarge that and use it for the leaf. Unless that wouldn't work, in which case he could use a giant razor leaf. Or just a giant pikmin. Or a giant Link, since Link is green. Like a leaf.

While TL is a lot of fun and really good in his current state, I like the idea of giving him a deku leaf.

 

[`dazrin]

because it *****?

No, but its because it provides alot for the way TL was designed. He's meant to have an amazing on-stage presence at the cost of a bad recovery. His current UP-B allows him to score kills way earlier than younglink ever could've dreamed. Not to mention that it combos with EVERY SINGLE ONE of his projectiles, bair, usmash, utilt, dthrow etc etc so it's really amazing as a combo finisher. It also makes so anyone facing TL is threatened to not to be above him, or they will eat UP-B. Overall, it just synergizes really well with his character design.

Yeah. The deku leaf from WW is much more canon than a midair spin attack, but i would imagine it would give TL unnecessarily amazing recovery distance on top of his already amazing onstage game. On top of that, he'd lack a reliable kill move that follows his projectiles. It just doesn't fit how he's designed. He would also be really vulnerable in the air during recovery (similar to snake) so he would retain much more of the original flaws that young link had in melee. Lack of reliable kill moves to follow from projectiles, a very predictable recovery though good distance wise, would render him vulnerable and you wouldn't be able to **** as hard :D

yeah, leaf would be cool, but nah lol

 

[stingers]

I do agree that it would present balance problems. I was just thinking in terms of coolness and canonness

He could still have kill power with it, make it be like...a giant wind blast onstage, that does no damage (or maybe a lil) but pushes people crazy far back. It'd help with his camping game fosho.

I like thinking up random ideas like this lol. but its prolly for the best that he remains as is yea, your response was pretty well thought out.

 

[JediKnightTemplar]

I think giving him a deku leaf would be cool, but I can't see the offensive applications of the attack. Also the people talking about where to get a leaf model from forget we can import models now. Importing a model of a leaf (or even the deku leaf model from WW) would be much easier and look more professional than whatever janky looking stuff you could do with Ivy's razor leaf, which IIRC is just a texture applied to a bone.

 

[CSDragon]

youd rather him have generic boring spin attack? ...why

It's a powerful kill move in the air, and you can use it to fortresshog on the ground.

 

[`dazrin]

WELL anyways.

Like JC said so long ago, we should stray away from balance suggestions and changes in order to build a metagame. Gotta treat it all like this was a release from nintendo or something that would be out of our power to modify moves/balance.

But just for the sake of fun, if I imagined how link wafts his leaf on the ground in WW, it would seem like it would take too long and have too much lag to be useful! In WW it takes forever for him to make a windblast lol. And then how would a giant windblast be able to follow up projectiles? xD And why would we want to better up TL camp game? it's already annoying as heck and the step to make him a more aggressive character was already made with his current up-B. Isn't it kinda taking a step back to increase camp game?

 

[stingers]

You wouldnt use the windblast as a follow up persay (or you could if they're too close, idk), in my head it'd function as a sort of move to use to create space so that you can throw more projectiles out. This WOULD leave him with the killing problem, but it'd make the damage racking easier since he has safer options for camping. Thinking about it more, I don't think it'd ruin his balance. Other stuff sure, but I think he'd be fairly balanced with it. He loses his kill power, and gains a recovery boost.

Of course, this is melee, and camping is frowned upon. Not only that, but yeah, theres no real "need" persay. I'm fine with leaving it as-is, but like I said earlier, I'm an idea guy. I see or think of something cool, and I can't help but share it XD

 

[RaphaelRobo]

TL could just spin the leaf around him. That way he'd be using a deku leaf, but it would avoid balance issues, because it's exactly the same as it currently is.

How's that for a terrible idea?

 

[Ecks]

I keep imagining the leaf working like Pit's Up b. Hitting hard on start up, gaining little height but then working like Peach's parasol.

 

[trojanpooh]

!= ichu:

And what a shame that is. Pichu was always more fun than Pikachu could ever dream of being.

 

[GunBlaze]

I keep imagining the leaf working like Pit's Up b. Hitting hard on start up, gaining little height but then working like Peach's parasol.

Minus the little hits

 

[Ecks]

Well, he could put it away and take it out like in WW, so it could have little hits too.

It's nice to see people using Dolphin for recording replays (recording of recordings ftw). This could be used to make stunning HD combo videos.

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

Is it just me, or does Link's bomb jump work at complete random? I do the exact same timing and hit the bomb in the same place, but 75% of the time it just doesn't explode and goes flying, I can't even bother to rely on it anymore

Has anyone found a use for his walking shield yet?

And I forgot if I mentioned it but his upsmash hitboxes are way messed up