Project M Social Thread

[stingers]

wavebouncing is the most important thing in Project M that wasn't in melee. Since there is way more ground to air momentum in this then there was in brawl, the effects are like doubled almost...its crazy

 

[jalued]

Ness is really good and I have played him mostly recently, but I can tell you that PK Fire>PK Fire should never work, but PK Fire > Dthrow is really good, like 40 damage.

I really need to utilize brawl ATs like RAR like I used to back in my brawl days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA8nzfjQbrM

4 year throwback =D

yeah if they smash DI it (as my friends do) you cannot follow it up with another pk fire. Grab is the safest option but if you feel lucky try dair->jab reset or fair->grab.

Loving DJC dair -> techchase baseball bat :D (or even just jab reset)

 

[PEEF!]

yeah if they smash DI it (as my friends do) you cannot follow it up with another pk fire. Grab is the safest option but if you feel lucky try dair->jab reset or fair->grab.

Loving DJC dair -> techchase baseball bat :D (or even just jab reset)

Are you getting fair to combo into grab vs non-fastfallers? Try telling your practice partner to sdi up and see if you can still get him before he jumps.

 

[Ecks]

If you can score a hit after pk fire hits you may as well uair juggle. At high percentages you could djcdair and you get a guaranteed follow up into rising uair.

 

[jalued]

Are you getting fair to combo into grab vs non-fastfallers? Try telling your practice partner to sdi up and see if you can still get him before he jumps.

haha my mate only plays wolf and bowser curently, so it works on him Have you found any application for DJC fairs? (the really fast ones with the tiny hitbox)

If you can score a hit after pk fire hits you may as well uair juggle. At high percentages you could djcdair and you get a guaranteed follow up into rising uair.

Not strictly true, the pk fire has an annoying habit of trapping the opponent in so they don't pop up for a follow up. It may be due to the way momentum works, I'm not sure. I find DJC dairs will just keep them in the fire rather than pop up, the same for upair if you do it too quickly.

 

[OmegaMuffin]

Does anyone still have the very first trailer for project m? Where it showcased the hybird airdodge code. I kinda wanna watch it again haha. Just to see how far you guys have come in terms of physics.

 

[odinNJ]

how close is the team to fixing the 1 frame of lag on all actions, it really bugs me that evveryone's timing is different.

 

[UltiMario]

Ness is really good and I have played him mostly recently, but I can tell you that PK Fire>PK Fire should never work, but PK Fire > Dthrow is really good, like 40 damage.

I really need to utilize brawl ATs like RAR like I used to back in my brawl days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA8nzfjQbrM

4 year throwback =D

Needs more RAR 360 Falcon Punches.

 

[odinNJ]

you can already do 360s by tapping to the opposite side slightly before (like a reverse punch in melee) then 180ing the punch

 

[BairJew]

Good, we need more Lucas players. So much untapped potential.

I just started playing this game again, definitely my main, that dwnB and just everything is sooooo amazing. Thanks to Lucas I am now hooked.
Hopefully they will do something to his recovery though, still mad easy to punish. Maybe if a hitbox was placed around when you are controlling the pk lightning during his upB, similar or like during fox's upB it might be a little easier for lucas to recover, it seemed like a good idea when I discussed it with a friend of mine.

 

[jalued]

I just started playing this game again, definitely my main, that dwnB and just everything is sooooo amazing. Thanks to Lucas I am now hooked.
Hopefully they will do something to his recovery though, still mad easy to punish. Maybe if a hitbox was placed around when you are controlling the pk lightning during his upB, similar or like during fox's upB it might be a little easier for lucas to recover, it seemed like a good idea when I discussed it with a friend of mine.

Then again, he does need to have a weakness to balance his amazing onstage combo potential

 

[odinNJ]

who wants to talk about how amazing zard is
and who wants to answer my earlier question

 

[BairJew]

Then again, he does need to have a weakness to balance his amazing onstage combo potential

his combo potential is amazing, but it can sadly be easily outspaced and outranged by characters like DeeDee, and even puff can punish misspaced moves of his since he seems to mainly be effective against spacies and such due to the trajectory his dwnb send people when it hits them. Since it sends the character behind lucas floaties are usually unaffected, especially peach, and lucario can handle it pretty easy and retaliate back with a powerful punch.

 

[jalued]

his combo potential is amazing, but it can sadly be easily outspaced and outranged by characters like DeeDee, and even puff can punish misspaced moves of his since he seems to mainly be effective against spacies and such due to the trajectory his dwnb send people when it hits them. Since it sends the character behind lucas floaties are usually unaffected, especially peach, and lucario can handle it pretty easy and retaliate back with a powerful punch.

try his sideB for spacies

And with floaties... no one can combo them very effectively, it's part of why being a floaty can be good. Every character will have good and bad matchups

edit: can't you just waveshine towards the falco/pit?

 

[BairJew]

try his sideB...

SideB effectively keeps out characters who don't rely on projectiles to approach, yet turnips, lucario's magic blue balls, pit arrow shenanigans, falco's lasers, they all kill his recovery and ability to outspace. Also realized marth can easssssssssilyyy **** his comboing potential due to his weight being quite good for marths combos, and spacing he gets kinda ***** again in that mu.

 

[jalued]

SideB effectively keeps out characters who don't rely on projectiles to approach, yet turnips, lucario's magic blue balls, pit arrow shenanigans, falco's lasers, they all kill his recovery and ability to outspace. Also realized marth can easssssssssilyyy **** his comboing potential due to his weight being quite good for marths combos, and spacing he gets kinda ***** again in that mu.

And with floaties... no one can combo them very effectively, it's part of why being a floaty can be good. Every character will have good and bad matchups

edit: can't you just waveshine towards the falco/pit?

 

[Ecks]

Not strictly true, the pk fire has an annoying habit of trapping the opponent in so they don't pop up for a follow up. It may be due to the way momentum works, I'm not sure. I find DJC dairs will just keep them in the fire rather than pop up, the same for upair if you do it too quickly.

Yeah, you're right. It looks like Dair keeps them in the fire depending on if the opponent is in the ground or not. If the opponent leaves the ground during sdi then dair will keep them inside (basically working like it normally would). I blame the CPU for falling for this.

 

[UltiMario]

you can already do 360s by tapping to the opposite side slightly before (like a reverse punch in melee) then 180ing the punch

That was the point.

 

[KingBlaze777]

Ness is really good and I have played him mostly recently, but I can tell you that PK Fire>PK Fire should never work, but PK Fire > Dthrow is really good, like 40 damage.

It does work. Fire the first PK Fire from the ground and the second one from the air then proceed to grab the enemy. It works exceptionally well against larger characters, with "regular" sized characters it works too, just not as effective 'cause they can escape it with ease. Also, PK Fire can lock in several characters by spamming it from the ground and air. I'm not kidding, you can get Bowser up to 999% by locking him in PK Fire

 

[Revven]

how close is the team to fixing the 1 frame of lag on all actions, it really bugs me that evveryone's timing is different.

We'll let you know when something's new. Right now, no progress, though.

 

[GimR]

Project M at Xanadu: Logic, GimR, The Thirst, Aposl, and Godslafco

http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

 

[jalued]

I have been wondering about buffer. Do the backroom plan to leave it in as an optional extra, and leave it up to tournament hosts to regulate the usage?

It just seems to me that a peach with 1 frame buffer is ALOT harder to shield pressure because she can do perfect nair OOS without the player practicing it.

A player should have to work for perfect iasa cancels and OOS options, to understand the timings required in each scenario.

 

[Strong Badam]

The option is there for players getting used to 0 buffer, as well as WiFi purposes. It is not to be used in a tournament setting.

 

[kaizo13]

nobody uses buffer on wi-fi...it just makes it worse

with a little getting used to, you can play like this on wi-fi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_saxhOmKqSM&feature=g-u-u

 

[stingers]

^ and thats a cross country connection too. NC to cali.

 

[iLink]

I find wifi a lot more tolerable with a 1 or 2 frame buffer

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

So is the staling going to stay?

 

[Strong Badam]

? What's wrong with the staling? it functions exactly as it does in melee

 

[kaizo13]

no staling, a spammer's wish come true

 

[leelue]

Honestly, moves could probably stale more.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I think the problem with staling was that it seems to stop Link's bomb jump in this game. Although I'm cool with Link being forced to choose between using his upB offensively or for recovery, it would also be cool if he were guaranteed of his bomb jump working.

 

[Strong Badam]

Link's Up-B can stale to the point where he can't bomb jump in Melee. This isn't new, guys.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

The difference is, no one played Link in Melee, so it feels new to a lot of people.

 

[Jonny Westside]

Ahem...

whats this bout lank?

 

[Kink-Link5]

I forgot how bad Ike was since I haven't played since I got back home from school.

I'm convinced even Link is better than him.

 

[GunBlaze]

Robo is partly right right.

 

[Jonny Westside]

I made a small texture using Gamewatching's stage import of Yoshi's Island(Melee)

check it out guys

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=26561&Moderated=All

 

[GunBlaze]

 

[Sethlon]

you can already do 360s by tapping to the opposite side slightly before (like a reverse punch in melee) then 180ing the punch

But why stop there?
RAR double B reverse turn around
720 no scope falcon puuuuunch

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

This should be a thing. I have no idea how to make it happen, but twirling Falcon punch as many times as you like before it lands would be quite interesting.