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[Strong Badam]

Gen 1 were great games despite their clear flaws.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Guess I need to post the counter graph now:

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"Hurr I'm a dog!"

 

[Nguz95]

Excellent comeback.

 

[9bit]

 

[Plum]

That feeling when you've played enough Gen I to just know its in-battle glitches/bugs/wonky mechanics through sheer experience alone, not because you've seen it on the web or looked it up.
Gen I was amazing. Not just nostalgia amazing either. Just actual, still holds up today, amazing.
If you give a young kid who's just coming into Pokemon a Gen I cartridge and a Gameboy they'll look at you like a crazy man and probably not enjoy it too much... but the same thing can be said of say, the Legend of Zelda when given to somebody who's first Zelda title was Skyward Sword. It doesn't make those games less good, even by modern standards. Like, if Pokemon never existed and Gen I came out today as it was (okay, their would probably be color) it would still be capable of selling like hot cakes and launching one of the most successful video game franchises ever (it's only second to Mario).

 

[arcticfox8]

Guess I need to post the counter graph now:

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"Hurr I'm a dog!"

That actually sounds really whiney tbh
0/10 would not come back with again

 

[Nguz95]

The original LoZ was so hard. I wish I had kept with it a little longer before getting into A Link to the Past...

Which is better, Oracle of Seasons, or Oracle of Ages? Those two are the last handheld Zelda games I haven't played, and I need to get one of them done.

 

[KayB]

The original LoZ was so hard. I wish I had kept with it a little longer before getting into A Link to the Past...

Which is better, Oracle of Seasons, or Oracle of Ages? Those two are the last handheld Zelda games I haven't played, and I need to get one of them done.

I liked Oracle of Ages better, but they're both equally good. Oracle of Ages is a bit darker in tone imo.

Lol acting as if it's cool to not like Gen 1.

I didn't say that and I did my best not to imply that. That's not very nice ;_;

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

The original LoZ was so hard. I wish I had kept with it a little longer before getting into A Link to the Past...

Which is better, Oracle of Seasons, or Oracle of Ages? Those two are the last handheld Zelda games I haven't played, and I need to get one of them done.

I liked ages alot more. Seasons was just as good, but overall I liked ages more.
Here's hoping for a Sinnoh remake (I love Sinnoh to death man)

 

[JOE!]

Guess I need to post the counter graph now:

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"Hurr I'm a dog!"

 

[Hylian]

Just bought tickets to Sktar :D. Time for my first PM national :D.

 

[Gamegenie222]

Don't get bodied also I hope you go over the Professor Pro vs Rolex MM on your stream later.

 

[Hylian]

Don't get bodied also I hope you go over the Professor Pro vs Rolex MM on your stream later.

I'll try not to haha and yeah I will if people want. I was supposed to do another hylicast today but have been busy/it's hard to think of what to do for my next one lol.

Edit: Also need to find a good teammate.

 

[Comeback Kid]

That actually sounds really whiney tbh
0/10 would not come back with again

KayB posted a nitpicky as hell bullet pointed essay about all the tiny flaws in the games that only the truly OCD would really care about in Gen 1 where the competitive game doesn't really matter.

My graph is about the overall design and artwork of the Pokémon as well some side gameplay stuff he doesn't like because Pokémon still have no actual personalities.

Honestly, I think the lategenners are way more butthurt when people criticize new Pokémon designs than any Genwunner is. Genwunners acknowledge but embrace the games' flaws while lategenners just pretend they don't exist in their favorite games.

 

[hotdogturtle]

I hate some of nerfs that came with 6th gen
How is my ferrothorn getting hurt by some stupid dark moves???
I can understand the nerf to weather, my weather team was illin around the top of smogon ou.
I hate that nerf.

"Waahh my spiky over-defensive Pokemon isn't invincible anymore"

 

[KayB]

KayB posted a nitpicky as hell bullet pointed essay about all the tiny flaws in the games that only the truly OCD would really care about in Gen 1 where the competitive game doesn't really matter.

The hate is real lol. I don't hate Gen 1, but there were some obvious problems with it. Of course, not all of them mattered that much, but some of the glitches were pretty stupid (like Wrap. Holy ****, wrap. Competitve or not, getting hit by that move made me wanna rage). I didn't make the image fyi and I wasn't looking to start a fight. I like how you characterize people who notice these glitches as OCD induced people even though some of these glitches are pretty terrible in terms of affecting gameplay. Regardless, I think its fun that these glitches are in the game so I'm not necessarily hating on them, but it is an interesting list of notes that people should be taking into consideration. Thank you for insulting me on nothing.

My graph is about the overall design and artwork of the Pokémon as well some side gameplay stuff he doesn't like because Pokémon still have no actual personalities.

Most of the stuff in your "graph" is insanely biased and subjective. I'm not saying he's wrong because it that would be stupid. Why? Because it's his opinion. In fact, the only thing "wrong" about the "graph" is insinuating his opinion is like a fact.

Genwunners acknowledge but embrace the games' flaws while lategenners just pretend they don't exist in their favorite games.

I'm not a fan of putting any base of fans under a nonsensical tag like Genwunners or Lategenners, but I'll just run with it. This comment is so insanely biased and ignorant it blows my mind. It's like saying "Mac users are better because they can accept change while PC users can't." Is this true? No it's not. Why can't people just like some games and just not like others? Why do we have to accuse people of putting on "nostalgia goggles" or calling everybody ****ing ******* for not scrutinizing the new games? It's stupid. All the games are good and which one you like better is ultimately decided by which one you played first and what age you played it in. This argument of which Pokemon game is the best is fun if its nice and dandy, but when you start taking it seriously is when it really starts becoming dumb.

 

[Saito]

Lategenners and Genwunners.

Not being all gens masterrace

ISHYGDDT

I hate some of nerfs that came with 6th gen
How is my ferrothorn getting hurt by some stupid dark moves???

Overpowered types got nerfed.

Everything can't be.......

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Easy

 

[Comeback Kid]

All the games are good and which one you like better is ultimately decided by which one you played first and what age you played it in.

My issue with this statement is that you just said that the nostalgia goggles argument is stupid, one which I have heard someone make 1 million times before and then literally two sentences later you made the same damn argument.

See, you can analyze the games and go beyond nostalgia to make that determination. And also go beyond the raw game mechanics and look at the game as a whole.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

Guess I need to post the counter graph now:

Spoiler

"Hurr I'm a dog!"

Buttravaged?
I should start using that.

 

[9bit]

It's Pokemon. It's Pokemon.

 

[trash?]

the passive-aggressiveness whining coming from those charts could probably cause toxic sickness, got damn

hardcore videogame fans can get weird sometimes, y'all. just play videogames and learn em

 

[Saito]

Guess I need to post the counter graph now:

Spoiler

"Hurr I'm a dog!"

Oh look at this.
Something I get to break down.

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First of all the sprites, artwork and design sections are all opinions.

Natures is something that adds diversity to Pokemon. Same with abilities. Different strategies for different people.People figuring out the inside data of Pokemon is what made it develop this way. If EV's and IV's hadn't been fully discovered the difference between every pokemon would probably still be a thing.

Although I think IV's are bad in general. 15 or 30 of them.

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Sprites

Generation 3 didn't have still sprites. When they were encountered in battle, they did a little animation which represented the endearing, then went into their neutral stance. Nothing wrong with that choice at all.

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Artwork

Capturing the essence of Pokemon.
What exactly is the essence of Pokemon? A game about catching monsters and battling to be the best.

At least, that's what it was. As Pokemon developed it became more a game about building a bond with those monsters in order to be the best rather than just mindlessly battling.

Pokemon looking less threatening and more just like themselves is to be expected.

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Designs

Simplicity isn't always the best. The pokemon of generation 1 did simplicity well. However, people try to cry foul for any design trying to be anything but simple. There's nothing wrong with having a complex design as long as it manages to look good and not be overbearing.

The only ones that might be guilty in that category up there is emboar, unfeazant, and Keldeo.
Maybe not even unfeazant because it has a lot of traits present in real animals.

Even in nature not every animal is simple.

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Nonetheless as for that comment on keldeo...
Keldeo was in the game before MLP even existed so that argument is already invalidated.

On the comment of Hydreigon
I thought you wanted the pokemon to be fierce and dangerous. This pretty much embodies that as its a pokemon with a chaotic nature.

Garchomp having a star on it's head is a nod to the fact that it was based loosely with a jet plane in mind (Which sometimes have stars somewhere on their body.)

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2/10 made me reply.

Yes I know you didn't make that, it was made by some 4channer, but I enjoy breaking it down everytime.

 

[trash?]

tbh I respect a lot of vaguer designs with stranger inspiration. like the nincada tree. that evo line owns boooones.

 

[Comeback Kid]

On the comment of Hydreigon
I thought you wanted the pokemon to be fierce and dangerous. This pretty much embodies that as its a pokemon with a chaotic nature.

I really think it looks like a piñata or a parade balloon with tattered fabric on its back that are supposed to be wings.

Obviously needed to steal more from the best.

Spoiler

 

[Saito]

I really think it looks like a piñata or a parade balloon with tattered fabric on its back that are supposed to be wings.

Obviously needed to steal more from the best.

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by "you" I was referring to the maker of the graph.

Personally, Hydreigon is 2cute4me though.

 

[GP&B]

I could feel you coming out of the closet, that's how gay that combo was.

G&W brings out all the salt in me.

 

[SpiderMad]

@ Hylian
Fun stream, I might be able to come up with more stuff for you next time =) (like Double Shine Up-smash and Wavebounce stuff). Btw Falco's SH Up-air Autocancel (and Marth's SH Bair to any aerial [like Dair]) also isn't possible in Melee I think by 1 frame over his air time; but in PM I think he has 2 frame window or so to do it. (http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-social-thread-v2.339825/page-536#post-16704456 thanks to Aerodrome for helping me figure out things). You'll have to make a handcam of your technique for non-trick consecutive spacie moonwalks and your double lasers (and @metroid1117 needs to make one for his Dacus using temporary-transitional claw to press A).

Here's the phone links if anyone else wants to try two hard early aerials before I get this comprehensive video I'm makin done (I could really use some help on it =( )

Lucarios SH Fair Dair (±1 frame strict on getting the Bair, then ±1 frame strict on getting the Dair: the trick is to to once you know you've gotten the Fair very early to attempt the Dair way later than you would think. I so wish I would of thought of this to tell Amsa when he was streaming lol. As soon as he knows what to do he can do almost anything with ease, though with this one I wonder if he would have any struggle and how consistent he would get them after practice)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4XgK69ZiM
Fox's SH Bair Autocancel (1 or 2 frames strict, not possible in Melee). This one wasn't that hard, you just need to wiggle sideways from X to A with your thumb using your wrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y478Mbgzv0
Marth's SH Bair Dair (1 or 2 frames strict, not possible in Melee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge25Hj-V6TM

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Buttravaged?
I should start using that.

Thunderpunked/dunked, IMO.


Pokemon talk?...
So much http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER lol.
Giratina for best eldritch horror(THE GROUND HE WARPED INTO THE POKEWORLD IN HIS GRAND ENTRANCE IN PLATINUM VANISHED INTO NOTHING). The floor got better way later though lol

, in any LoveCraft Lite forever imo ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)7

 

[Bleck]

I cannot for the life of me understand people who don't think that just having more pokemon is anything but a good thing.

I mean, if you don't like the ice cream pokemon, who cares? Maybe someone out there does. The more pokemon there are, the higher chance that there's something for everyone, you know?

 

[KayB]

My issue with this statement is that you just said that the nostalgia goggles argument is stupid, one which I have heard someone make 1 million times before and then literally two sentences later you made the same damn argument.

See, you can analyze the games and go beyond nostalgia to make that determination. And also go beyond the raw game mechanics and look at the game as a whole.

No, I said accusing people of wearing nostalgia goggles is stupid because nostalgia isn't a bad thing. It's fine if you think Gen 1 and Gen II are gahdlike if you simply like them better for whatever reason. Maybe it is nostalgia, who knows. Personally Gen II is my favorite generation.

 

[hotdogturtle]

All I have to say about Pokemon favoritism is: If your "opinion" contains a subjective statement baselessly presented as an objective fact, I'm going to disregard everything you say and openly mock you on the internet.

 

[Vashimus]

It's Pokemon. It's Pokemon.

We get it, you don't care. You don't see me acting like a douche nozzle when MTG talk comes up.

 

[Saito]

We get it, you don't care. You don't see me acting like a douche nozzle when MTG talk comes up.

10/10

I cannot for the life of me understand people who don't think that just having more pokemon is anything but a good thing.

I mean, if you don't like the ice cream pokemon, who cares? Maybe someone out there does. The more pokemon there are, the higher chance that there's something for everyone, you know?

10/10

All the games are good and which one you like better is ultimately decided by which one you played first and what age you played it in.

First one you played doesn't make it the best and I'm sure you know this.

If you say it's the best because it was the first that's nostalgia talking.
If you say it's the best because you genuinely liked it more, then that's your opinion.

 

[KayB]

First one you played doesn't make it the best and I'm sure you know this.

If you say it's the best because it was the first that's nostalgia talking.
If you say it's the best because you genuinely liked it more, then that's your opinion.

Oops, I meant to say generally not ultimately. My bad. There is some correlation between which game you like the best versus which one you played when you were little. Of course, that's not all of it, but it's there.

 

[MonkUnit]

waking up in the morning

Spoiler

 

[Giygacoal]

I cannot for the life of me understand people who don't think that just having more pokemon is anything but a good thing.

I mean, if you don't like the ice cream pokemon, who cares? Maybe someone out there does. The more pokemon there are, the higher chance that there's something for everyone, you know?

Perfect.

 

[Nguz95]

I liked Oracle of Ages better, but they're both equally good. Oracle of Ages is a bit darker in tone imo.
I didn't say that and I did my best not to imply that. That's not very nice ;_;

Thanks for the recommendation.
I apologize for my tone; however, I'm unimpressed that you posted a list on the subject and tried to distance yourself from it in the same breath. Actions and words aren't always separable.
Again, I'm sorry for offending you.

 

[kaizo13]

M2K vs ZeRo
thoughts?

http://youtu.be/3Th7TDexnCI
http://youtu.be/r7f3SlPWJA0

 

[Gamegenie222]

Need a kick to the face to wake up you and this gif will sure service that.

Also sorry for derailing the topic but I just finished watching the Attack On Titan anime and I'm seriously like WTF at the end and one of my favorite females characters got killed off

 

[standardtoaster]

I still have to watch AoT. Was going to catch up on a lot of shows during the summer but now I'll be taking a summer course. Won't have as much time :[