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[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wasn't it just that one match that timed out a lot though? I wasn't following Sm4sh, so I could be wrong.

He timed out twice to win since they both tried to camp and zone each other.

The only set it happened.

 

[Bleck]

Went to see Blade Runner as part of our yearly film festival. There was some trivia pertaining to the movie beforehand where the winner could win this, which is now on my wall.

 

[MLGF]

This is horrible.
Sm4sh is honestly the worst **** I've seen in a long time.

 

[KayB]

"My b" -Russell Wilson

— Chillindude (@LiquidChillin) February 2, 2015

I love you Chillin

 

[Empyrean]

As an avid smash 4 fan, these last sets have been awfully boring, omfg

I feel really bad for D1 and Sky. Feels like all this excellent-quality commentary is not being appreciated bcuz of these sets. At this point I'm just listening to the stream while browsing smashboards

 

[GP&B]

I'm actually pushing myself to finish classwork at this point just so I can be ready for Melee Top 8. I got way less invested after Aba got knocked out and stopped caring after 6WX got knocked out.

 

[SpiderMad]

As a fan of Smash 4, I'm not a fan

 

[Lizalfos]

What was peak Melee Viewership vs peak Wii U?

I just saw someone in reddit suggest that instead of making Sm4sh matches Top 8 bo5, they should just add a stock instead.

Maybe?

I think that is a terrible idea. In the long run people will use the effective playstyle. If people take risks just because there is one more stock, it is because they haven't established what is the best pacing to win. Being campy for 3 stocks yields the same, if not greater advantages than being campy for 2.

He timed out twice to win since they both tried to camp and zone each other.

The only set it happened.

How many games did this happen in Melee, 64, or Brawl. They are speaking comparatively.

 

[KayB]

two of the three games in the same set timed out, and the third game got a kill with four seconds on the clock. that is pretty shameful, yes

I will be surprised if SSB4 holds any legs after this, tbh? I don't think SSB4 players realize how different 08 is to nowadays, being spectator-friendly is everything and their rulesets are not helping one iota

If it was just that game, what exactly is the problem then? It's like taking the Hbox vs Armada Apex 2012 set and basing the Melee ruleset off of that.

In other news, Sky just said Abadango vs Dabuz was an exciting match to watch :/

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

As a former fan of smash, this situation boggles my mind.

Why would you make the Melee players wait for smash 4 to finish, all the while telling them to shut up and stop complaining and not expect that kind of backlash with the given circumstances?

That would be like forcing the Super Bowl's 4th Quarter to Wait for the Austaulian Tennis Open to finish.

I'm not saying that the ******** is justified, but to question the decision to make the Melee players wait for another game, a game known to run sluggishly mind you, with how late the tourney is already running, and how people have work/school in the morning, in tandem with other factors like Dabuz's "intersting" tactics and the Grab Ass coaches are playing with their players, is simply head scratching and borderline facepalm worthy.

Such a TERRIBLE decision on the Apex Staff's part. Both sides are at fault.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

ya whose fault is that

 

[9bit]

ZERO!!! Thank you! 3-0, ending Smash 4 mercifully.

Now... the long wait for Melee to set up.

 

[Soft Serve]

Im really disgusted with the smash scene right now. Just my god people are being horrible.

Arguing with people in the melee scene, because even though grands was a quick 3-0 in like, 10 min, to stupid melee reddit-spawn, every game takes 6 min to take 2 stocks in smash 4.

just **** people. smh

 

[KuroganeHammer]

That would be like forcing the Super Bowl's 4th Quarter to Wait for the Austaulian Tennis Open to finish.

wat

anyway

begin opinion

I've seen a lot of complaining about Smash 4 from melee players and the way they're putting it makes me sad. I think everything would have been better if it wasn't Bo5 in every set and no coaching allowed, smash 4 games don't really go that long unless Pacman vs Rosalina happens, the problem is that all 5 games are being played in each set.

I honestly don't think the games will run overtime like they have in future, there have been some weird circumstances regarding this tournament, and melee players being douchebags and attacking the game and players itself is poor form (especially when they ignore that the once was 3 day tournament is being crammed into 2 days).

/opinion

ty for reading friends

*back to the shadows*

 

[KayB]

As a former fan of smash, this situation boggles my mind.

Why would you make the Melee players wait for smash 4 to finish, all the while telling them to shut up and stop complaining and not expect that kind of backlash with the given circumstances?

That would be like forcing the Super Bowl's 4th Quarter to Wait for the Austaulian Tennis Open to finish.

I'm not saying that the *****ing is justified, but to question the decision to make the Melee players wait for another game, a game known to run sluggishly mind you, with how late the tourney is already running, and how people have work/school in the morning, in tandem with other factors like Dabuz's "intersting" tactics and the Grab *** coaches are playing with their players, is simply head scratching and borderline facepalm worthy.

Such a TERRIBLE decision on the Apex Staff's part. Both sides are at fault.

To be fair, the reason why Smash 4 was so delayed was because Melee Top 48 and Doubles for both games went horribly off-schedule.

 

[Lizalfos]

As a former fan of smash, this situation boggles my mind.

Why would you make the Melee players wait for smash 4 to finish, all the while telling them to shut up and stop complaining and not expect that kind of backlash with the given circumstances?

That would be like forcing the Super Bowl's 4th Quarter to Wait for the Austaulian Tennis Open to finish.

I'm not saying that the *****ing is justified, but to question the decision to make the Melee players wait for another game, a game known to run sluggishly mind you, with how late the tourney is already running, and how people have work/school in the morning, in tandem with other factors like Dabuz's "intersting" tactics and the Grab *** coaches are playing with their players, is simply head scratching and borderline facepalm worthy.

Such a TERRIBLE decision on the Apex Staff's part. Both sides are at fault.

Why not ban coaching already. This game measures individual skill. Chess players don't get coaching I hope.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Well it's not like the decision to make them wait for another game, especially when that game's top 16 took ages, was a smooth one.

How and why did Melee go off schedule and why did they let Melee being off Schedule affect Smash 4? Sounds like Questionable TOing or incredibly strange circumstances to me.

Like I said, both sides are at fault.

 

[trash?]

it's 11 pm there, SS

people do not like staying up all night to watch a game when they got work in the morning

this was awful TOing when it happened with brawl in 2013, too

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Why not ban coaching already. This game measures individual skill. Chess players don't get coaching I hope.

This is a bad example, there are optimal moves in Chess that require no thinking from you.

In smash you still have to do the legwork.

See: "Knight to e4 wheeeeee" vs "hey this guy rolls from ledge all the time lol" so unless you pick up the controller and start playing for them, it doesnt work

 

[standardtoaster]

I know that many people view melee as the main event andyell and cheer for melee during and after smash 4. The easiest way to avoid it is to have Melee top 8 first followed by the other games. I know it ruins the whole "save the best for last" but it will get rid of or significantly reduce the amount of toxic people regarding smash 4.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Thank god someone else sees what I mean. I can sleep easier now.

 

[Lizalfos]

I swear to god If I see another tournament have a stupid ass screensaver or whatever with their logo instead of showing the bracket or sponsors and what match is upcoming, I will have a meltdown. Such a waste. ESPN wouldn't do that, so why would we?

 

[KayB]

I'm actually pretty scared for the future. I'm almost 95% positive that Apex 2015 will be the catalyst for a massive community divide.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I know that many people view melee as the main event andyell and cheer for melee during and after smash 4. The easiest way to avoid it is to have Melee top 8 first followed by the other games. I know it ruins the whole "save the best for last" but it will get rid of or significantly reduce the amount of toxic people regarding smash 4.

we could also just have the hotel not be deemed unsafe to use, have events run on time for once and not have stupid rules like bo5 every set and NOT HAVE COACHING BETWEEN GAMES

iunno, i am just a puppy dog, i dont think of these things

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I swear to god If I see another tournament have a stupid *** screensaver or whatever with their logo instead of showing the bracket or sponsors and what match is upcoming, I will have a meltdown. Such a waste. ESPN wouldn't do that, so why would we?

ESPN instead has a large share of commercials.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I swear to god If I see another tournament have a stupid *** screensaver or whatever with their logo instead of showing the bracket or sponsors and what match is upcoming, I will have a meltdown. Such a waste. ESPN wouldn't do that, so why would we?

not only that but it's UGLY as sin

 

[KayB]

we could also just have the hotel not be deemed unsafe to use, have events run on time for once and not have stupid rules like bo5 every set and NOT HAVE COACHING BETWEEN GAMES

iunno, i am just a puppy dog, i dont think of these things

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT THE **** HAVE YOU DONE TO AERODROME

EDIT:
In other news this is Leffen's new emote

 

[Soft Serve]

People are blaming smash 4 for running late, when the reason its running late in the first place is that Melee got like 2 extra hours of stream time (Ran all of winners round 2 on stream).

People will blame smash 4 for melee running so late, when its because GIMR refused to have amsa/SFAT play on a side-stream because he's sponsoring him, and the TO's refused to have up to top 5 play on a side stream.

People will blame smash 4 for having too much coaching, but coaching has been banned all APEX, and TOs just haven't enforced it.

#OneUnit, unless it makes Melee players ****ing wait an extra 45 min, even if it was our own game's fault.

the average Melee stream viewer doesn't want to actually watch Melee. The don't want to watch smash. They don't want to watch spacing and neutral and mind-games and dont pay attention to option coverage and positioning. They just want to ****ing watch shine spikes and falco pillars and Ken combos and Falcon Knees. They just want to watch Marvel and don't care to pay attention to the actually difficult and impressive parts of the game.

Arguing with ****ing idiots just furthering the echo chambers of blame on smash 4 in my own state's community makes me never want to TO again.

I dont even like smash 4 that much, its stupid. But I don't rag on it for the reasons these idiots do. The speed at which the neutral game doesn't even matter to them when they don't pay attention to it.

ugh.

 

[trash?]

the fact that APEX managed to run at all is kind of amazing and honestly I am not surprised the crowd was on-edge like this

people probably expected to be leaving by 11pm. instead they are trying to patiently wait through a game they don't mind for but there's sweaty nerds crowded around them and this is getting a teensy bit too long and the sweat is getting worse and I'll be honest, while I'm self-projecting from my social anxiety, I would have started at LEAST three fights out of mindless destruction

 

[Gamegenie222]

I actually enjoyed the Rosalina vs Pac Man match for smash 4 just saying.

 

[XalchemistX]

M2k lost to Leffen and Shroomed.... didn't except that

 

[KayB]

I actually enjoyed the Rosalina vs Pac Man match for smash 4 just saying.

Disliked, unfollowed, unfriended, blocked, flagged, condemned, requested ban, called cops

 

[Lizalfos]

This is a bad example, there are optimal moves in Chess that require no thinking from you.

In smash you still have to do the legwork.

See: "Knight to e4 wheeeeee" vs "hey this guy rolls from ledge all the time lol" so unless you pick up the controller and start playing for them, it doesnt work

It offers a significant advantage to whomever has friends there beside them. Sometimes being told a habit your opponent has is all it takes to gain advantage.

ESPN instead has a large share of commercials.

The phasing out of Nintendo begins.


I don't blame the hotel when the original venue "couldn't hold a tournament half APEX's size". If Apex is the hard work of a group of competent people, then how did this happen? Honestly the stream has been shoddy too. Lots of audio issues, GIMR not being ready for matches. I don't blame GIMR, he works hard, but the quality is just low. I kinda wonder if CT being there would help out, but we won't know because I'm 99% sure that Nintendo has kept Apex from making any meaningful statement. It is frustrating, all the stuff surrounding this, and how much we can only speculate on.

Also, Esports Salty Suite lol.

 

[Soft Serve]

Also apparently people (@Seagull Joe , Pink fresh, etc) got kicked out of their seats by apex staff just because they were staff.

Apex living up to its name

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

People are blaming smash 4 for running late, when the reason its running late in the first place is that Melee got like 2 extra hours of stream time (Ran all of winners round 2 on stream).

And why should this affect smash 4 in any way?
Considering the circumstances, I think making sure the tourney runs cleanly is more important than Sponsors or making sure the matches are only on a specific stream.
I am deeply disappointed in all parties involved with that decision.

 

[trash?]

I yelled more competent words on the twits, let's bring it into a big ol post

you're in
-a crowded room
-that's filled with sweat
-after the room you were supposed to be in went bust, because of bad management
-nearing midnight, because of that same management not handling it and mostly getting a piggyback ride from twitch
-and a bunch of fluff is making it go even longer, after SSB4's grand finals actually finished

if you think the reaction of people wanting to see the game they spent several days in a venue over is "unruly", then you haven't been in that scenario

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

shoutout to the harsh noise background soundtrack

 

[XalchemistX]

Get in here guys to watch Yoshi kick some a**

 

[Soft Serve]

And why should this affect smash 4 in any way?
Considering the circumstances, I think making sure the tourney runs cleanly is more important than Sponsors or making sure the matches are only on a specific stream.
I am deeply disappointed in all parties involved with that decision.

I agree, but people are blaming the game when the blame of things going late should all fall onto whoever planned out the matches for streams. It shouldn't affect smash 4 but thats where the blame will fall because us melee players like to circle jerk around and hate on anything thats not melee

 

[Lizalfos]

Why stream everything if it ruins the player experience. Let's just get capture cards on the setups and get em posted to YouTube. Maybe you could still stream it but with analysis from good players live on Skype. Call it "Match Retrospective". You could put your sponsored players to work, having them analyze. Rake in all the money. I need to do this actually. Don't steel idea pls.