Prepare to be Astounded One Last Time: Wiseguy’s Brawl Predictions THE FINAL VERSION!

[Shadowplusle]

Sorry about the double post it was the same message as before but i hit send twice by accident. My bad people.

 

[jimmysilverrims]

I applaud you, Wisey. You have finally done away with the flim flammery and have made a rock solid, backed up list. I have been clammoring for this for as long as your first "Oops". I like your grit and courage in putting this stuff down in permanent ink.

Then again the bigger they are, the harder they fall. I.e: Geno. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: "He doesn't have such a good chance!" I mean, I can see you putting him on the backup third party addition list, but on the "must have" list? C'mon! He's a hasbeen! He's been in one game, that wasn't his, where he was a secondary character, made a decade ago, by a [then] third party company. Now Square's a second, but isn't exactly compliant with what some fans want.

Listen, It's a long, long, loooong list, so I'll start with some organization, starting with the main things people will say in defense for the little dude.

"He's popular."

Define popular. Geno currently only has a splinter of a miniscule fanbase compared to other characters that have gotten in Brawl, Mario, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, Fox, Wario, Samus, Bowser, even the Ice Climbers, Pit, and Lucas have more fans, not to mentio the fact that they're at least known. Geno has been in, what, one game made years ago. Brawl is being more and more modern, and the majority of potential customers havent even heard of this Geno guy, and suddenly everyone wants him in? And even thinks that he's got a great shot?

Besides, Sakurai himself has defied the conventional "If it's popular, it's in." theory. What he's done has taken the classic, the iconic, and nostalgic. He hasn't, however, gone for the "third-party-secondary-retro" character. Why? Because he's smart enough to realize that it's a bad decision to go and mess up a spot with a character that no one will recognise.

"Square's frindly with Nintendo."

Seriously? How are you to call the shots on how entire multi-million dollar companies choose their fave five? I kid, but seriously, just because they've made a game (Mario Hoops 3 on 3) on the handheld doesn't mean that they're friendly, as handhelds are a free roam market, and if you want the best for your buck the you'll pick the best handheld, despite your intrests with the company. I mean, RARE is owned by Microsoft, but that didn't stop the creation of Banjo Pilot, Grunty's Revenge, or Diddy Kong Racing DS. did Rare suddenly feel sorry about the shift? Maybe, however Microsoft wouldn't let them feel that way, as RARE was (as they thought) the best steal ever. The point is that when it comes down to handhelds, it's Nintendo's feild, and if you want any of that action, you have to go with Nintendo.

Besides, even if Square was friendly with Nintendo, wouldn't they want to have a more popular, modern character, so that they would soak up the populairity, rather than an old character, who doesn't have a recent Square game that could get more money. I mean, the question is: Why Geno? This brings me to the next one:

"Sakurai likes Geno, he was in the poll."

Sakurai also liked Staffy and Little Mac, both of them are NPC's. He also put them on the poll, along with James Bond. Realy, people are putting too much sock on what they assume is Sakurai's feelings, but honestly, none of us can speak for him. We don't know him, and we cannot say what he likes or dislikes, and besides: He doesn't have all of the power. He still has to listen to the higher ups. Particularly when it concerns relations with such huge companies as Square, as getting a rep in Brawl is not only a new character, but also a sign of good faith between the companies, so if you cannot just go with one on a whim! You need to do a lot of conversing with the company, and so far there has been no evidence to any sort of meetings between Square and Nintendo, let alone any concerning Geno, of all people.

Geno's just not too likely, and I'm not doing this to be a jerk, all I want is for you not to make another mistake, and I have been trying to tell you this forever. So please, heed my warning, Beware the ides of March, or in this case, Geno.

'Nuff said.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I really don;t see how he really is that unlikely

 

[Machspeed]

Well, Geno's not going to be an NPC, he's definently in or out - Nintendo wouldn't approach SE for just an NPC.

Too much to reply to, you need to take a visit to the Geno thread to see for yourself why he isn't as unlikely as you think.

 

[Elysium]

Well, Geno's not going to be an NPC, he's definently in or out - Nintendo wouldn't approach SE for just an NPC.

Too much to reply to, you need to take a visit to the Geno thread to see for yourself why he isn't as unlikely as you think.

uhhh, he's in the Geno group. I think he knows the ups and downs to geno.

 

[Machspeed]

uhhh, he's in the Geno group. I think he knows the ups and downs to geno.

Being in the Geno group doesn't mean anything, really.

Anybody can say they are in or just slap the banner on...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Being in the Geno group doesn't mean anything, really.

Anybody can use the banner or just slap the banner on...

If your all talking about me, since Jimmy isn't in...

I'm the founder of the Geno Alliance.

so I know you didn't just say that

 

[Machspeed]

I was referring to Jimmy, I thought Elysium was trying to say he was in the Geno group.

I know your in Psycho.

 

[Elysium]

My bad, I thought you meant Psycho.

 

[Devastlian]

Well, Geno's not going to be an NPC, he's definently in or out - Nintendo wouldn't approach SE for just an NPC.

He could get in as an AT if another SE character is playable; he's pretty worthless so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble to tack on.

 

[Machspeed]

He could get in as an AT if another SE character is playable; he's pretty worthless so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble to tack on.

Another mindless Geno hater I see.

Care to name a character from SE that has better chances than he?

 

[Mr. Game and Pichu]

Meh, there could be a little change, like why not lucario? He is iconic and could represent the 4th gen. Plus, his moves and movesets would be easy to make. Stll, MAYBE you could add paper mario as well, but this is just your prediction.

 

[Devastlian]

What makes you think I'm a Geno hater?


I'd say Cecil, Terra, and Loto have better chances.

 

[GameandWatchGuru]

Another mindless Geno hater I see.

Care to name a character from SE that has better chances than he?

I wouldn't say he necessarily has better chances, but there are many who want the Black Mage from Final Fantasy, which I could easily argue is much more important to the history of Nintendo and video games in general.

 

[Machspeed]

And I quote:

he's pretty worthless so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble to tack on.

And what on EARTH makes you think they have better chances than Geno?

 

[Devastlian]

And I quote:

It's pretty obvious you're quoting...Most of the people in the Geno thread say that his being useless to SE would mean he wouldn't cost as much money as another SE character.

And what on EARTH makes you think they have better chances than Geno?

More popular, more iconic, more retro, more possibilities movesets...

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

nvm........

 

[Machspeed]

Current and popularity doesn't have a **** thing to do with Smash bros. We see Game & Watch and Pit.

Possible movesets... yeah, if you played the Super Mario RPG, you'd take back what you've just said. Geno is pretty much made for a fighting game with all his specials and weapons.

It's pretty obvious you're quoting...

That's not relevant at all.

Most of the people in the Geno thread say that his being useless to SE would mean he wouldn't cost as much money as another SE character.

Well? Why not milk a character thats pretty much dead out? It's been more than eleven long years since Geno has been in a game, let the fans get what they want.

More popular, more iconic, more retro, more possibilities movesets...

Popularity = Doesn't matter a thing.
More Iconic = They are not more important to Nintendo anymore than Geno is. In fact, Geno was part of the Mario RPG that started it all, and set the basis for every single Mario RPG you see on the market today.
Movesets = Covered
Retro = I lol'd.

 

[ParamoreRiot]

Sora has a good chance, but for some reason I think Geno will be in. Sora would be amazing to have though.

 

[Zevox]

Popularity = Doesn't matter a thing.

Tell that to Sonic. Even his update mentions he got in due to the immense demand for him.

Zevox

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

popularity only matters to fans when they want a character in. At times they say geno is immensly popular but when the opposition brings up a more popular character that should be in over geno the geno crazies respond with "well, popularity is not important, cause sakauri said so" hypocritical no?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

popularity only matters to fans when they want a character in. At times they say geno is immensly popular but when the opposition brings up a more popular character that should be in over geno the geno crazies respond with "well, popularity is not important, cause sakauri said so" hypocritical no?

Geno fans are not 1 single entity. Geno haters can contradict themselves based on bias, opinion, and etc. so why can't the fans?

Some fans think 1 thing from what they know or think and some think another

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

you call geno haters biased and yet you fans are by far the most biased people i have ever heard (er well read i guess). You guys contradict yourselves so many times its nausiating. Plus you refuse to listen to any reasoning that is not "GENO ROX AND HE SHOULD BE IN TEH BRAWLZCAUSE WE Sayz hES AWSOME!!!!"

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

you call geno haters biased and yet you fans are by far the most biased people i have ever heard (er well read i guess). You guys contradict yourselves so many times its nausiating. Plus you refuse to listen to any reasoning that is not "GENO ROX AND HE SHOULD BE IN TEH BRAWLZCAUSE WE Sayz hES AWSOME!!!!"

Why the hell does someone have to have a reason to support something other than they like it?

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

what ever ive gone over this crap so many times im sick of it. Back to other stuff on the list i still don't understand why folks think takumara will be in brawl. Ive never gotten a real full answer.

 

[Reckoning A16]

Fact is Geno has a good chance of getting into Brawl. He scored high on the poll. I'm learning to like him in case he does get in. But if you are a Geno Lover and disrespect my wanting of Sora in Brawl then there would be an argument So I can can see why Geno people hate it when one of the all time favorite video game characters get the " lol hellz no " response(s).

 

[Devastlian]

Current and popularity doesn't have a **** thing to do with Smash bros. We see Game & Watch and Pit.

I never mentioned anything that had to due with being current. The Game & Watch series was very popular in Japan and there were a lot of people wanting Pit back even before SSBM came out.

Possible movesets... yeah, if you played the Super Mario RPG, you'd take back what you've just said. Geno is pretty much made for a fighting game with all his specials and weapons.

I have and I won't. Cecil, Terra, and Loto all have have more moves than Geno does.

That's not relevant at all.

Then why did you say it?

Well? Why not milk a character thats pretty much dead out? It's been more than eleven long years since Geno has been in a game, let the fans get what they want.

Because you could get more money with one of the other three characters. The fans of Cecil, Terra, and Loto would probably be happy they're in.

Popularity = Doesn't matter a thing.

It might not be everything but it is a big influence for a lot of the characters.

More Iconic = They are not more important to Nintendo anymore than Geno is. In fact, Geno was part of the Mario RPG that started it all, and set the basis for every single Mario RPG you see on the market today.

They're much more important to SE, though. His appearance in the first one doesn't have anything to do with influencing the other four games.

 

[DeuceBlade]

I don't see Geno being in brawl.. but I could be wrong. Anything can happen... thanks to pokemon trainer.

 

[Machspeed]

They're much more important to SE, though. His appearance in the first one doesn't have anything to do with influencing the other four games.

Important to SE, however that's not the case. Brawl is a NINTENDO exclusive, hence why characters who haven't appeared on it once cannot be in it. They must be important to NINTENDO to have more chances.
The Super Mario RPG set the bar for Mario RPGs, everything from it humorous outings, to timed hits, you name it, and it has it's roots in the game.

It might not be everything but it is a big influence for a lot of the characters.

Sakurai doesn't care about popular. Whatever fits the game best, is whatever fits the game best.

Because you could get more money with one of the other three characters. The fans of Cecil, Terra, and Loto would probably be happy they're in.

Alike how Geno fans would be very happy he was in, and would probably be satisfied if this were his last appearance in a game.

Then why did you say it?

... who cares if I said it? If you see it void, then just ignore it.

Possible movesets... yeah, if you played the Super Mario RPG, you'd take back what you've just said. Geno is pretty much made for a fighting game with all his specials and weapons.

Your opinion on which moves you like better. Guess it's not really for you or I to decide.

I never mentioned anything that had to due with being current. The Game & Watch series was very popular in Japan and there were a lot of people wanting Pit back even before SSBM came out.

Let's see a source on that.

 

[Tatanga4Brawl]

What do you cal it when Mallo is being tortured?

 

[jimmysilverrims]

Oh, he really is that unlikely, and that's just from a neutral point of veiw, what I can't see is why people think that he's so likely. It's not that I hate the character, I love the character. I just am so incredibly irked at the fact that people are constantly regarding him as a givin, when in actuallity, he's not so incredibly likely. He has no more of a chance than Banjo or Master Cheif.

Actually, speaking of which, Bunjie's now a second party company... hmmm. Perhap's we'll be seeing him in Super Smash Bros. 4.

 

[jimmysilverrims]

Important to SE, however that's not the case. Brawl is a NINTENDO exclusive, hence why characters who haven't appeared on it once cannot be in it. They must be important to NINTENDO to have more chances.
The Super Mario RPG set the bar for Mario RPGs, everything from it humorous outings, to timed hits, you name it, and it has it's roots in the game.

It doesn't really matter. RPG's are RPG's. I know that the RPG's are important to Nintendo, but honestly, why would anyone chose the totally unknown and much less important Geno when yo could chose the universally known and widely more relevant Paper Mario?

Sakurai doesn't care about popular. Whatever fits the game best, is whatever fits the game best.

Sakurai may not care, but I'm pretty sure that others do. Listen, making a transition with another company, particularly if it's going to invole possibly Nintendo's biggest game ever made. You can't just go with the random flim flammery, you need to go with the important and relevant. You can have some random, unknown character if it's owned by Nintendo then they don't have to worry about intercompany relations. I mean, why would you go with Geno when you could have Cloud (if you really want to have a Square rep) or Paper Mario (if you really want an RPG rep)

Besides, popular does matter to the Nintendo higher ups, as if you're going to spend cash to get a new character, at least make it a popular character, just so that you get a little more bang for your buck.

Alike how Geno fans would be very happy he was in, and would probably be satisfied if this were his last appearance in a game.

I think his last game appearance was in SMRPG. He's just a one time character. Only in one game, one time. It's not all that uncommon. Havcing people have delusions of granduer for Geno is totally unbased.

... who cares if I said it? If you see it void, then just ignore it.

Typical. You said gibberish and it's his fault? Ugh.

'Nuff said.

 

[Wrath`]

geNO, he has no in his name...

one thing i still do not understand is that the f zero series wont get another rep, when yet the starfox series wich sells less wil get more than it, sakura has a crazy mind.

 

[jimmysilverrims]

geNO, he has no in his name...

one thing i still do not understand is that the f zero series wont get another rep, when yet the starfox series wich sells less wil get more than it, sakura has a crazy mind.

Well, Koarie, it is very observent of you, I never really went with the whole Ge-NO thing, yet it seems to caracterize his chances very well. Why do people think has such a good chance? He has litterally no more of a chance than Banjo. At least Banjo had his own series and was the star. Unlike Geno, who was only in one game which wasn't really popular that was made a decade ago. He's third party, and if your going to wrestle with Square for a rep, wouldn't both companies want a more profitable character, rather than the insanely unknown Geno.

Geno has practically no chance. The only thing that I could possibly see as a slim chance to his possibility would be that Sakurai has shown interest in him, and even that doesn't really increase his chances, as when it comes to inter-company relations you need the entire Nintendo board to approve something like that, not to mention Square's guys. Now why, if Nintendo was quite obviously trying to recieve the rights to Sonic, that everyone on both Nintendo and SEGA's sides were showing that they were working on a deal, but currently there has been absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any atempts to get rights for Geno or any sort of Square rep.

There's no real reason to believe Geno has any sort of chance beyond say, Bowser Jr., Midna, Vaati, Zant, or Banjo. He's got as much of a chance as Dr. K, Peppy, Slippy, or Navi.

'Nuff said.

 

[Machspeed]

First off, I'm going to kill you for saying "Nuff' Said" in your posts, poser.

And let's see, SMRPG sold 1.4 copies in Japan alone a little over a decade ago. 11 years ago, that was a HELL of alot of numbers. Just because your not old enough to truly grasp the concept of the game, or ever played it doesn't mean you can bag on it.

I laugh too hard when you say Banjo has higher chances than Geno. Rareware sold out to Microsoft, and Nintendo and Rare pretty much are at war now. Banjo is definently not going to make his appearance in Brawl. And yes there is reason to believe Geno has a better chance than them. How many LoZ characters are you expecting? Really? Donkey Kong is an even more important franchise to Nintendo (despite it's lack of good games recently) and he has two characters. Your getting your hopes up for nothing but despair when you expect so many Zelda characters. Geno would fit into the Mario universe; but you can't really stop Mario from having too many characters. He is the star franchise of Nintendo. LoZ on the other hand, is lower down in the ranks. Your obviously a man who has been living on the shallow side of things, refusing to look more into things. Krystal's being considered? Luigi's being considered? Both people who were downright not the stars of their games, just as much as Geno was. Luigi had Luigi's Mansion, but that was it, and Nintendo will probably NEVER make another game with him as the main character.

I think his last game appearance was in SMRPG. He's just a one time character. Only in one game, one time. It's not all that uncommon. Havcing people have delusions of granduer for Geno is totally unbased.

Way to fail epically, once again. Superstar Saga's cameo was Geno's last appearance, showing he's not ready to rest yet. Don't assume things, it leads to failure.

but honestly, why would anyone chose the totally unknown and much less important Geno

The game's main plot TWISTED around Geno MULTIPLE times throughout the game. I see very obviously you have not touched it, or perhaps even seen the cartridge. Legend of the SEVEN STARS = Geno's repairing the Star Road. Geno would've gotten the stars himself, but he decided why not go with Mario to make the journey easier.

It doesn't really matter. RPG's are RPG's. I know that the RPG's are important to Nintendo, but honestly, why would anyone chose the totally unknown and much less important Geno when yo could chose the universally known and widely more relevant Paper Mario?

Paper Mario was SUPPOSED TO BE SMRPG2. I don't know how many times I will say that. It has timed attacks, timed damage reduction/blocking, the occasional humor, (I could go on listing for years...) which was the basis of the SMRPG. Without that RPG, alot of the elements definently would be missing. The reason we don't have SMRPG2, was because Square and Nintendo had a dispute, which led to them heading to Sony. And that is basically the only reason Paper Mario is around today.

SMRPG would've sold EVEN MORE copies, but it was released shortly before Super Mario 64. Now, who wouldn't go for the better graphics on a new system? Reguardless of this, it still sold alot of copies.

Only in one game, one time.

You can't really blame him? It's not that Square and Nintendo hate Geno and wish the character to death, just that they haven't been on really good terms for quite awhile. They've recently started releasing Final Fantasy and SE games on the DS, but aside from that, they've been tense for quite awhile. Geno was SUPPOSED to be in SMRPG2, but again I've explained that earlier.

I suggest you play the Super Mario RPG, before you go making those crazy conclusions. He's a nice fitting character, great movesets, his story fits VERY nicely into SSE and I see no reason why you feel the need to believe he's so unlikely. At least look at the SMRPG cartridge.

To anyone who hates Geno like this guy does, click here to change your thoughts or just play the RPG. I'm sure you'll like him, as they say, don't judge a book by it's cover. - NOTE - Skip to 2:36 if you don't want to see how Geno came to be. That's where the evidence starts.

 

[Bassoonist]

'Nuff said.

Okay, you're really starting to sound like an idiot.

You claim that Geno being in one game is a reason to keep him out, and than you turn around and say that Midna will make it in over him... Oh wait... Midna's only been in one game as well! :o

Besides, I think you're forgetting a certain character that made it into Melee that was only in one game: Sheik. Yes, OOT was and is still a VERY popular game, but SMRPG is pretty popular as well. Quit denying it.

 

[Numa Dude]

I would ague not. Unique? Definitely. More than Midna? Ferro's moveset makes me beleivre otherwise. You may feel free to disagree.

So one guy's moveset makes Midna unique? If I made a Skull Kid moveset that was as ungodly detailed as his would you add him? If I made a Black Shadow moveset that was incredibly unique would you add him?

 

[gangstajuice02]

this thread is so long it takes so long to load but nice thread!

 

[Machspeed]

I think K. Rool should been higher, been holding onto this for awhile but, here you go.

K. Rool is the main antagonist in DK games. Very exciting right? Well, the way I see it, DK is very underrepresented, and we are in need of villains at the same time. From DKC to DK64, K. Rool has appeared in MANY different forms, giving him ALOT of chances to have a very unique moveset. The forms include: Baron K. Roolenstein, Kaptain K. Rool, King Krusha K. Rool, and of course, King K. Rool. His most popular costume being the Kaptain K. Rool, if he had his musket, he'd be the only heavyweight with an aimable projectile. He has many opportunies throughout his forms, such as the helicopter on Baron K. Roolenstein for recovery, the boxing gloves for smash attacks, the signature crown toss; he'd undeniably be a fun character to play if all his personas where included.

Crazy to think he'll be added? I don't believe so. Kirby, DK, and Mother have all been neglected characters and attention for both the prequel of Smash Bros. and the sequel. Kirby has gotten two characters, Meta Knight, and King Dedede, while Mother seems to be getting a ton of attention also. DK is a leading franchise on the Nintendo, so it wouldn't be too unfair to ask for one more character, mind you a villain which we need more of. We also don't exactly have a ton of heavy-weights. Sakurai seems to be paying attention to games he left out, (SNES games predominatly) which is where he gets King Dedede, and Meta Knight from (On a side note, Geno's been discussed also, yet another game on the SNES). DKC was a very popular game on the SNES, and K. Rool was the villain in every one of them. K. Rool has alot to bring to the table, and a theory has been sparking up on the K. Rool boards lately. Bowser attacks Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong, but the question is, why would he want their bananas? Maybe he realizes he cannot beat Mario, and he and K. Rool switched enemies just this time around. When you think about it, this isn't too impossible.

To sum it all up, with a unique moveset, villain, a humorous character indeed, he could be a very nice addition to the roster. I leave it in your hands to take what I've just said into consideration, and maybe get him higher up on the list of likelihood. You never know, most of the facts (some speculation I understand) stated have proved he's the most likely candidate, if DK were to get a new rep. Very pleased with your list so far btw, yes my only complaint is K. Rool.

 

[jimmysilverrims]

First off, I'm going to kill you for saying "Nuff' Said" in your posts, poser.

Poser? Excuse me? I have been doing 'nuff said since I first got onto Smashboards, in fact I've had to call people out for copying me. I most certainly am no poser, and you flinging around words like that only shows two things. One, your inability to seperate your emotions from debate, and two, that you obviously have a limited vocabulary, because you obviously do not know the full meaning of the word poser (Meaning to emulate someone without fully earning that right. So if you would, don't go giving out random insults if you aren't even going to use them correctly.

And let's see, SMRPG sold 1.4 copies in Japan alone a decade alone. 11 years ago, that was a HELL of alot of numbers. Just because your not old enough to truly grasp the concept of the game, or ever played it doesn't mean you can bag on it.

Pardon me, but you do not know my age, and thusly cannot speak for me on how old I am, thank you very much. For that matter may I remind you that there are tons upon tons of games that have done "well" in Japan that have been forgotten. The fact that it sold a reasonable amout doesn't mean that Geno is popular, as most people had bought it because it was a Mario RPG, two things that interested people. I have played the game, for your infoermation and liked it, but just because I like a game (unlike what some people believe) does not assure that it will have a representative in the game.

I laugh too hard what you said Banjo has higher chances than Geno. Your obviously a man who has been living on the shallow side of things, refusing to look more into things. Krystal's being considered? Luigi's being considered? Both people who were downright not the stars of their games, just as much as Geno was. Luigi had Luigi's Mansion, but that was it, and Nintendo will probably NEVER make another game with him as the main character.

First off: What makes you think Banjo has less of a chance than Geno? Banjo has his own series, populairity galore (His first game outsold SM64 in 1999), and is the main character of a recent game series. Can't say all of that about Geno, as all Geno has that Banjo doesn't is Sakurai's mild interest, and that's just one, tiny little thing. Banjo had a game that had better graphics (at the time) that anything out there without even usig an extention pak. And seeing as Banjo has had two GBA and DS games and Rare has three total, I guess thaat Rare's really friendly with Nintendo in comparison to what you're suggesting for Geno. Geno has absolutely no better chance than Banjo. If not less of a chance, so perhaps you might think about the entire picture before, as you would say "Laughing too hard".

Yes, but as you can quite clearly tell, my mildly ignorant compadre, is that both of those people are from popular franchises and have appeared in multiple games. Geno, unlike the aftermentioned characters has only appeared in one, as a character that piggybacked on the sucess of Mario in his RPG. Geno is most definitely not nearly as popular as any of those characters, nor as ingrained in those character's developments. Geno was in only one game, which people bought for MArio, not the secondary character that was in it. Luigi got in because he was with Mario for the long haul and is an important number two character, a companion to Mario in nearly every game. Krystal is being considered because she is an interesting character who is a love interest for a character who, you guessed it, has a series. Geno on the other hand didn't stick around in any other Mario games and had virtually no effect on Mario's development as a character. Luigi and Krystal are considered because they actually deserve it.

Way to fail epically, once again. Superstar Saga's cameo was Geno's last appearance, showing he's not ready to rest yet.

Woah! A cameo as an inanimate object in the backgroud that looked like Geno! Boy was I wrong! Looks like he's making a HUGE comeback! Heck, he outshined MArio in that game!

...

Oh wait, he didn't. A simple cameo is nothing. HE got a cameo in the game as, as I see it, a final salute. Nintendo saying: "Yeah, he was in a Mario RPG, but we don't really want to bring him back, so let's just put him in for fun." Take nothing more out of it, and stop looking so deep into something as trivial as him being in the background!

The game's main plot TWISTED around Geno MULTIPLE times throughout the game. I see very obviously you have not touched it, or perhaps even seen the cartridge. Legend of the SEVEN STARS = Geno's repairing the Star Road. Geno would've gotten the stars himself, but he decided why not go with Mario to make the journey easier.

I already knew that. I've played the game. Geno was an important character. Was is the keyword there. If Nintendo thought that Geno could play such a huge part, why name it Super MARIO RPG? Listen, Geno was a one time character who was in one game as a simple MacGuffin device to chug the story along, not the main character. No matter how many people will scream and throw tantrums, Geno didn't make all that big an impact. Obviously Nintendo found Mario RPG to be a one time thing, seing as they never made any sequels and most certainly never had another game with Geno beng important again.

Geno was simply a character, who was in one game, made over a decade ago, by Square, as a secondary character. Don't you think that if Nintendo really wanted to ressurect Geno's forgotten and much trampled on corpse by now?

Paper Mario was SUPPOSED TO BE SMRPG2. I don't know how many times I will say that. It has timed attacks, timed damage reduction/blocking, the occasional humor, which was the basis of the SMRPG. The reason we don't have SMRPG2, was because Square and Nintendo had a dispute, which led to them heading to Sony.

But, quite obviously it didn't become that, and in fact, became the sucessor in Mario RPGs, with a more relevant storyline that's more true to the original Mario style. And guess what? People adored it. That's why Geno's a no body. He had his moment in the spotlight, but was moved over in order for the better Paper Mario to come in. Face it, Geno, like Bladerunner, may have a cult following and may get a renewed version (VC) but it will only enjoyed by watching the original, and that's the vastly most probable outcome. I know Geno was popular, but honestly, he's not Smash Bros. material, this is a game billed for the best of the best, and Geno, sadly isn't exactly in his prime.

Wisey, let Geno move over for some more characters that have done more (and better) than him. He's only been in one old game and people think that he suddenly get's in Brawl? Now I know some people will point the finger at Ice Climbers or PT, but the IC's were a unique character that Nintendo could affor to go with their obscurity, why? Because they're owned by Nintendo. i.e: Nintendo can slap them in without much hassle. Geno however, would cause more trouble than profit he'd make. As for the "randomness" of PT, he is the main character of the Pokemon series, and I personally saw this coming. As Pokemon is one of the best selling series Nintendo has adding a unique one was enevitable.

SMRPG would've sold EVEN MORE copies, but it was released shortly before Super Mario 64. Now, who wouldn't go for the better graphics on a new system? Reguardless of this, it still sold alot of copies.

Of course it would've, but the fact is that it didn't.

You can't really blame him? It's not that Square and Nintendo hate Geno and wish the character to death, just that they haven't been on really good terms for quite awhile. They've recently started releasing Final Fantasy and SE games on the DS, but aside from that, they've been tense for quite awhile. Geno was SUPPOSED to be in SMRPG2, but again I've explained that earlier.

It's not that they hate him, it's just that they see him as he is: An old character that was only vaugely popular, and that was back in his prime. Now he's merely a character that some fans are clammoring for, but not nessicarily the most benificial. As I have said, when it comes to Brawl, it needs to be big, particulary if your going to make an exchange with another company, and if Nintendo anxd Square are making a deal, wouldn't both want a more popular, more recent character, like Cloud? I mean, Square sees that if SSBB fans see Cloud and become FF fans, making them more money. Nintendo sees Cloud fans coming to buy Brawl. It'd be win-win. Not so mch with Geno, as fr both sides he won't make them much money, as both companies have stopped producing the only game he's in.

Like I said before, just because they make games on the handheld doesn't mean that their friendly, the handheld industry is Nintendo, and Nintendo is the only good choice you can make f you want a handheld game, weather you like the company or not.

And this is where I say the immortal and insilencable line:

'Nuff said.