Prejudices aside, if a few characters need to be cut who will they be?

[TheUltraDeino]

ok, here's my list:
- obvious reasons
- like I said before, it's better to cut 3 characters hogging up 1 roster spot than 3 characters occupying 3 different roster spots

is kinda in the middle. In one hand, there are many other pokemon wanting for smash, but X and Y did give it the new fairy type.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

This is by far the best one

Well lucario helped by a couple of hairs but not to much but just not to popular in brawl nor fire emblem

The problem is this particular trainer is not relevant to the anime nor games anymore

I doubt he's getting kicked but it's still possible

I really doubt he's going to survive but don't forget the creator of snake is a friend of sakurai

Not to relevant to mother series the series is not relevant either ness is fine due to making it in all of them

And don't even think about complaining to me about why did you not add R.O.B to this list of kicks

He's fine very unique helped the nes more loved than you guys think in brawl 1 of few of very first nes games and ofcoarse the worlds first real world character for smash bros

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I doubt they would remove a character that represents a series on their own and I doubt they would remove a unique gimmick I also don't see why Konami/Kojima wouldn't want in this game, and Sakurai doesn't seem to want him removed. I also can't see him removing important villains or the second most important character from a big series One more thing is that I DON'T think seniority matters THAT much, so the cuts that I think make the most sense are & although could definitely be higher priority, due to being very popular amongst Smash fans.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

The problem is this particular trainer is not relevant to the anime nor games anymore

And since this was only one Gen ago:

Spoiler

Nah, I think Red will be just fine.

 

[Waluridleykryrool]

Hey guys did you know it's been nearly 10 years since jigglypuff appeared in the anime? And since it's never had any importance that i'm aware of in the games smash has literally been it' sole source of fame for a long time now, it still should be cut in my opinion but it's kinda interesting to see how it's more or less leeched off of smash all these years to stay relevant when it really should have vanished into obscurity long ago

 

[Hong]

Whelp, things look bad for Lucario.

Now that the dog has been thrown into the battle again, he is bound to get cut



s, bruises and burns.

 

[soviet prince]

pokemon trainer is unique I be upset if he is cut.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Lucario actually renewed my hope for a no cut roster!

 

[The Curious Volnutt]

He doesn't dislike the wiiu, when asked he only said if he were to make a game for it they would have to make good use of the wiiu pad. One of the reasons the current games aren't on there is that they had started development on them way before wiiu dev kits were out there, so it's obviously not something they had planned out. Konami likes money so they would if they could and mgs5 or a collection could still be possible. I doubt Kojima would be opposed to snake getting exposure once again, especially if sakurai asked him.

Really?! you are coming home buddy.

 

[Halfhead]

Ike, Lucas, and Wolf or Falco (just one of them) are the most likely cuts in my opinion.

ROB is staying, as is Pokémon Trainer.

Snake is entirely up to corporate stuff that I don't think any of us are qualified to comment on. The fact that he still hasn't been revealed is not a good sign, though.

Jigglypuff is the interesting one. On the one hand, it really REALLY does not deserve the spot. I could think of twenty more relevant, popular, and important Pokémon off the top of my head. A series like Pokémon deserves a newcomer and it has had two generations since the last Smash to choose from (along with a slew of older Pokémon which, for whatever reason, have recently regained notoriety, e.g. Blaziken, Gengar, and Charizard (although Charizard is technically in the game already as Pokémon Trainer)). With Pikachu and Lucario already being confirmed, Mewtwo being a lock, and Pokémon Trainer being likely both because of his Pokémon's newly revitalized relevancies and his uniqueness, the only room for a newcomer would be created from Jigglypuff leaving (provided 5 is the max per franchise).

Jigglypuff does have THREE important things going for it, however:

ONE: I'm not entirely sure that this matters to either me or Sakurai that much, but Jigglypuff has been in every Super Smash Bros. game to date. No veteran of the Smash 64 has left so far, but at the same time, this is only based on a pattern of two games.

TWO: Jigglypuff's moveset is entirely unique. Although non-clones have been cut before, Mewtwo, for example, original movesets have never been cut. Lucario carried on his moveset spiritually (along with a lot of changes, but not many more changes than Falco from Melee to Brawl or Luigi from 64 to Melee). Someone would need to take over Jigglypuff's singing, sleeping, and rolling based moveset and I can't think of many potential newcomers, Pokémon or otherwise, that could do that.

THREE: the fairy type. Jigglypuff did get the SLIGHTEST bit of new popularity this generation thanks to its change to Normal/Fairy from Normal. I personally don't think it's enough to matter, but I suppose it is worth noting.

Also, please don't take this as a Jigglypuff bash. I actually love Jigglypuff. It is my only main in both Melee and Project M. I'm just not sure I ever agreed with its inclusion.

In 64, I know it was the joke character, but I think its spot would have been greatly appreciated by Meowth, Mewtwo, Mew, or Charizard. In Melee, it could have been literally any Johto Pokémon other than Pichu (Heracross, Scizor, and Serebii come to mind), Meowth, or Charizard again. By Brawl's release, there were too many better choices than I can list.

Once again, I agree that it's a great, out-there character that actually performs quite creatively and I love it for that, but the joke was told in 1999. If anyone is STILL laughing about it, they are sociopaths.

 

[Sonicguy726]

Hey guys did you know it's been nearly 10 years since jigglypuff appeared in the anime? And since it's never had any importance that i'm aware of in the games smash has literally been it' sole source of fame for a long time now, it still should be cut in my opinion but it's kinda interesting to see how it's more or less leeched off of smash all these years to stay relevant when it really should have vanished into obscurity long ago

10 years, why was she in brawl then, that would've been 4 years since she was in the anime. So should captain falcon be cut cause he hasn't had a game in a while should the star fox reps. No

I think jiggs and the rest of the hidden 4 are gonna stay. When you look at brawls event matches they do matches like the original 8 and the hidden 4, Whether you like them or not these characters have there fanbases that would hate to see them go and I think sakuari sees that with lucario.
Ike is still the 2nd most important fire emblem character, being one of 2 to have more than one game (the other being marth), he is unique and he is popular and same with the last 4 he has his fanbase.
Wolf is a villain and once again with the fanbase
R.O.B. is a bigpart of nintendos history and like how Game & watch made it into brawl hes gonna come back.
Lucas is the most recent mother protagonist, so his role hasn't changed since brawl.
Pokemon Trainer represents the series better than anyone else, he's the actual character you play as like the villager and he's also unique plus charizard he's not going anywhere

 

[Superyoshiom]

Snake will probably be the only one to get cut. He was fun to play as in Brawl, but it seems that Kojima is constantly giving nintendo the cold shoulder with the Metal Gear series.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Whelp, things look bad for Lucario.

Now that the dog has been thrown into the battle again, he is bound to get cut



s, bruises and burns.

Dude I knew lucario was safe when he became relevant in x and y

Lucario got saved by pokemon x and y

Those are the six pokemon that presented for mega evolutions in x and y look at the top left thats why lucario does not hurt mewtwo at all

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

And since this was only one Gen ago:

Spoiler

Nah, I think Red will be just fine.

Ok besides those

Sorry for double post

 

[Sonicguy726]

Dude I knew lucario was safe when he became relevant in x and y

Lucario got saved by pokemon x and y

Those are the six pokemon that presented for mega evolutions in x and y look at the top left thats why lucario does not hurt mewtwo at all

Plus Mewtwo has 2 so I'd say he's safe aswell

 

[dimensionsword64]

Ike's the only character I see getting cut.

At the time I made this post, I had forgotten about Lucario. I forgot to include him in the post.

Then Lucario was revealed.

 

[Sonicguy726]

At the time I made this post, I had forgotten about Lucario. I forgot to include him in the post.

Then Lucario was revealed.

I don't think Ike is getting cut either

 

[dimensionsword64]

I don't think Ike is getting cut either

It's not guaranteed that Ike will be cut, but there's not a 100% chance that he'll stay.

 

[Sonicguy726]

It's not guaranteed that Ike will be cut, but there's not a 100% chance that he'll stay.

Yeah but it was the same with lucario and Ike is easily the second most important FE character, he's unique, popular and has actually had more than one game (the only other character to have that was marth)

 

[Halfhead]

I changed my mind since my last post: Ike will probably stay. Now, all I'm thinking is "what's up with Lucas?"

Does anyone have any guesses as to why he WOULDN'T get cut?

 

[Sonicguy726]

I changed my mind since my last post: Ike will probably stay. Now, all I'm thinking is "what's up with Lucas?"

Does anyone have any guesses as to why he WOULDN'T get cut?

Well he is still the most recent mother protagonist and was well like in brawl. It's looking like we're getting a no cut roster, all these characters were added for a reason and we shouldn't just forget that

 

[Halfhead]

Well he is still the most recent mother protagonist and was well like in brawl. It's looking like we're getting a no cut roster, all these characters were added for a reason and we shouldn't just forget that

I LOVE Mother 3. It's in my top 10 games of all time. Lucas is a fantastic character whose depth defies the fact that he is a Nintendo character. And... I'm not sure he'll make it.

I agree that it is currently looking like a no cut roster (except Snake), but the release is probably still far out. I have no idea what will happen by then. My predictions could change entirely with one especially revealing picture of the day.

Is recency really... A thing? I can't point to a time when recency actually pushed a character into playability. People talk about how Shulk has the upper hand on Isaac because of recency, but I don't think I buy that.

 

[Sonicguy726]

I LOVE Mother 3. It's in my top 10 games of all time. Lucas is a fantastic character whose depth defies the fact that he is a Nintendo character. And... I'm not sure he'll make it.

I agree that it is currently looking like a no cut roster (except Snake), but the release is probably still far out. I have no idea what will happen by then. My predictions could change entirely with one especially revealing picture of the day.

Is recency really... A thing? I can't point to a time when recency actually pushed a character into playability. People talk about how Shulk has the upper hand on Isaac because of recency, but I don't think I buy that.

I'm still on the fence about snake, It just depends on what Kojima wants, but I mean smash bros is a giant popular franchise and if he wanted to use that to promote the metal gear series he very well could and either way snake is a giant name in gaming

 

[Halfhead]

I'm still on the fence about snake, It just depends on what Kojima wants, but I mean smash bros is a giant popular franchise and if he wanted to use that to promote the metal gear series he very well could and either way snake is a giant name in gaming

Yeah, he is, but Metal Gear isn't as big of a name is gaming as something like Bomberman or Castlevania (also Konami reps). I'm not saying that those are more likely by design, but perhaps more fitting given Konami's recent Nintendo release schedule. If one of those is used, Konami still gets free advertising, Nintendo still stays in Konami's good graces, and Kojima isn't guilt tripped into putting more Metal Gear on Nintendo.

Honestly though, third party marketing that we have little to no inside knowledge on the standings of the two companies involved is a fly ball.

 

[Sonicguy726]

Yeah, he is, but Metal Gear isn't as big of a name is gaming as something like Bomberman or Castlevania (also Konami reps). I'm not saying that those are more likely by design, but perhaps more fitting given Konami's recent Nintendo release schedule. If one of those is used, Konami still gets free advertising, Nintendo still stays in Konami's good graces, and Kojima isn't guilt tripped into putting more Metal Gear on Nintendo.

Honestly though, third party marketing that we have little to no inside knowledge on the standings of the two companies involved is a fly ball.

I honestly think metal gear is bigger than bomberman and what puts snake over them is that he was in brawl and I don't really think konami has much to do with it, it's kojima

 

[Halfhead]

I honestly think metal gear is bigger than bomberman and what puts snake over them is that he was in brawl and I don't really think konami has much to do with it, it's kojima

I'd like to believe that, but big money has to be majorly at play in a crossover game like this.

 

[the smash nerd]

I will Redo My Cuts becas now is in Smash 4
and

 

[Megadoomer]

Personally, I doubt there will be any cuts between Brawl and this upcoming game - there doesn't seem to be any characters who are obviously on the chopping block like Dr. Mario and Pichu were. The entire cast has differentiated itself enough to the point where there aren't any obvious clones like there was in Melee, and I figure any character who made it through two games without being cut is safe.

If I had to outright pick one, I'd go with (since Chrom is more relevant), but even that's unlikely (unlike Roy, Ike isn't a Marth clone, and Fire Emblem Awakening has made the series so popular that it can probably get away with three slots). I can't see or being cut (they share B-moves with Ness and Fox, but that's about it - they're only clones if you never press the A button), and 's certainly not going anywhere (the trainer himself has appeared in three different generations, at least, so he's certainly the most iconic, and I doubt they'd replace three iconic Pokemon with wildly different playstyles with three flavour of the month characters).

As for , it's largely up to Kojima or Konami. The Metal Gear Solid series has become more relevant on Nintendo systems since Brawl with Snake Eater 3D (which is generally considered one of the best games in the franchise, right behind Metal Gear Solid, which was also on a Nintendo system), and the Smash Bros. development team clearly seems to think that he fits into the series (seeing as he was considered for Melee and added into Brawl). I really can't see why either side would say no, though.

 

[Eight Melodies]

Lucas is equally as important to the Mother series as Ness so I still think he's staying. Maybe I'm just too optimistic though.

 

[andalsoandy]

I'm starting to think Lucas may be the only character cut. Think about it:

-He's almost a 1:1 clone of Ness.
-He wasn't very popular in Brawl.
-He represents a series that really only needs one character, and that character is a 64 veteran.
-Compared to the rest of the characters at risk, he has less reasons to stay. Take a look:
^--Wolf is a villian character and a worthy addition to the roster.
^--Falco is a Melee veteran, the best 2nd rep for Star Fox, and while a clone, was Luigified in Brawl.
^--Jiggs is a 64 veteran and is semi-popular in Japan. See my earlier post for more on her.
^--Ike is now a reoccurring Fire Emblem character and has a unique moveset.
^--Snake is a 3rd Party, has a unique moveset, and has no real reason to be cut.
^--Pokemon Trainer is important to his series and has a unique moveset.
^--ROB has a unique moveset and represents the entire NES era.

On the other hand...
-He's the most recent Mother protagonist.
-Cutting him would actually shrink the series' total characters.

I think the order of priority, from least to greatest, is roughly this:

 

[Shroob]

I'm starting to think Lucas may be the only character cut. Think about it:

-He's almost a 1:1 clone of Ness.
-He wasn't very popular in Brawl.
-He represents a series that really only needs one character, and that character is a 64 veteran.
-Compared to the rest of the characters at risk, he has less reasons to stay. Take a look:
^--Wolf is a villian character and a worthy addition to the roster.
^--Falco is a Melee veteran, the best 2nd rep for Star Fox, and while a clone, was Luigified in Brawl.
^--Jiggs is a 64 veteran and is semi-popular in Japan. See my earlier post for more on her.
^--Ike is now a reoccurring Fire Emblem character and has a unique moveset.
^--Snake is a 3rd Party, has a unique moveset, and has no real reason to be cut.
^--Pokemon Trainer is important to his series and has a unique moveset.
^--ROB has a unique moveset and represents the entire NES era.

On the other hand...
-He's the most recent Mother protagonist.
-Cutting him would actually shrink the series' total characters.

I think the order of priority, from least to greatest, is roughly this:

Almost a 1:1 clone? Haven't you ever pressed the A button? Not only that, but practically everything Mother related in Brawl, was based on Mother 3.

 

[andalsoandy]

Almost a 1:1 clone? Haven't you ever pressed the A button?

I guess by definition they're Semi-Clones, but they still have this:
-Same specials (some reskinned, tweaked)
-Same FS.
-Similar A moves (not a whole lot, but enough)
That's close enough...

Still, the bad outweighs the good. Lucas seems he'd be last priority, just because everyone else has better reasons to stay.

 

[Megadoomer]

I really can't see Lucas being cut - if they did that, they'd be cutting Mother's representation in half, and there isn't a newer protagonist to replace him. Plus, his A moves are significantly different from Ness's, and his B moves have quite different properties to them.

 

[Shroob]

I guess by definition they're Semi-Clones, but they still have this:
-Same specials (some reskinned, tweaked)
-Same FS.
-Similar A moves (not a whole lot, but enough)
That's close enough...

Still, the bad outweighs the good. Lucas seems he'd be last priority, just because everyone else has better reasons to stay.

I notice you didn't put Falco on your list. Is it because he's been in 2 games already? If we're going by your logic, Falco is just as in danger as Lucas, since he has the same specials, FS, and similar A moves as Fox. At least Wolf has different As than Fox. Seniority doesn't matter. Sakurai never said the original 12 would return and I highly doubt he cares about how long certain characters have been in the game. So all this talk about who's in the 'danger zone' is just favoritism. Lucario and Toon Link, seemingly 'low priority' characters have been revealed before 'high priority' ones, and people think they know for sure who's still safe and who's not?

At the end of the day, all this speculation is just that, speculation. We know nothing except what we're told by word of god. What goes on in Sakurai's mind and how he makes his decisions are beyond us.

 

[Sonicguy726]

I notice you didn't put Falco on your list. Is it because he's been in 2 games already? If we're going by your logic, Falco is just as in danger as Lucas, since he has the same specials, FS, and similar A moves as Fox. At least Wolf has different As than Fox. Seniority doesn't matter. Sakurai never said the original 12 would return and I highly doubt he cares about how long certain characters have been in the game. So all this talk about who's in the 'danger zone' is just favoritism. Lucario and Toon Link, seemingly 'low priority' characters have been revealed before 'high priority' ones, and people think they know for sure who's still safe and who's not?

At the end of the day, all this speculation is just that, speculation. We know nothing except what we're told by word of god. What goes on in Sakurai's mind and how he makes his decisions are beyond us.

Although I think the original 12 are coming back so you know the can have the original 8 and hidden 4 events

 

[Shroob]

Although I think the original 12 are coming back so you know the can have the original 8 and hidden 4 events

Cool, you can 'think' that, but none of us know anything except what we know. Could Jiggs get cut? Sure. Could Lucas? Sure. But who's to say characters we view as 'low priority' are the same as what Sakurai views as such?

 

[Mysteltainn]

Why bother chopping Mother's representation to bits? I don't personally see Lucas getting the axe. They actually played quite differently. As if Toon Link and ALL of the Star Fox characters didn't exist or something. xD

 

[Sonicguy726]

Cool, you can 'think' that, but none of us know anything except what we know. Could Jiggs get cut? Sure. Could Lucas? Sure. But who's to say characters we view as 'low priority' are the same as what Sakurai views as such?

What I meant was that people think that the original 12 don't matter and they could just get cut and it wouldn't matter, but stuff like these events prove that sakurai recognizes that

 

[andalsoandy]

What I meant was that people think that the original 12 don't matter and they could just get cut and it wouldn't matter, but stuff like these events prove that sakurai recognizes that

Why didn't I just say that in the first place?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

What I meant was that people think that the original 12 don't matter and they could just get cut and it wouldn't matter, but stuff like these events prove that sakurai recognizes that

If we're seriously going to be using event matches as for reasons to keep characters Jigglypuff didn't even get her own event in Brawl, where as every other character did.