JPOBS
Smash Hero
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PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread
- Thread starter Dr Peepee
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DippnDots
Feral Youth
Kel still plays melee? I thought he only did brawl. Might be a different Kel? Who knows o_O
Pretty sure there's only one Kel.
Anyway, I'll try to get caught up on some critiques fairly soon. Finals johns lol.
Anyway, I'll try to get caught up on some critiques fairly soon. Finals johns lol.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
theres a Kel that lives in the bahamas and thats who me and KK are talking about.
i know theres a "kels" but other than that i dunno i think u guys are talking about someone else.
i know theres a "kels" but other than that i dunno i think u guys are talking about someone else.
Oh yeah, there's a Kel in the bahamas too.
I'm pretty sure there's one in the midwest, but I know he plays Brawl now....or maybe he always played Brawl. I forget.
I'm pretty sure there's one in the midwest, but I know he plays Brawl now....or maybe he always played Brawl. I forget.
Big_R
Smash Champion
ya kel plays brawlful. lives in cincy. idk any other kel besides kels. they used to go to a couple melee tournies and kel got all mad at kels for havin that name cuz it confused em when they called out matches
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Just started picking up Falco, and I ledge laser way too much. Am I correct in assuming their general use is for plugging dudes running at you on the edge but are still too far away to hit you out of them?
yes .
D1
Banned via Administration
Vs. platform camping Shieks what are Falco's best options?
Bair?
Run under and waveshine on platform (where Shiek is) and commence mixup ****?
Hit me!
Bair?
Run under and waveshine on platform (where Shiek is) and commence mixup ****?
Hit me!
dragnet4000
Smash Apprentice
Is it plausible to start pillaring with a Dthrow? And does anyone actually do that? general questions
is it possible to start shield pressure with a throw.....?
no, I'd say it's not possible and no one actually does that.
I think I need to make a thread stating what pillaring is and other such Falco terms. you know what, this whole forum needs a facelift, I'ma get on it.
no, I'd say it's not possible and no one actually does that.
I think I need to make a thread stating what pillaring is and other such Falco terms. you know what, this whole forum needs a facelift, I'ma get on it.
Sometimes I'll just shoot her from a different platform, but there are other things you can do.
DJ double laser onto the edge(covers jumps and possibly running away)....Chops does this sometimes.
Bairs aren't too bad but they're pretty easy to see coming, so I try to avoid them if possible.
@Mogwai: Nice! That'll make things a lot easier lol.
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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it makes your laser platform game 10x more ****. i dont know if there are vids of it, but Eggm (and i think silent wolf?) were ****** hard with their platform laser games and lots of isai dropping at pound 3.
basically if you're lasering on, like DL, where you have lots of room, you have some options. you can SHL under a platform, and you can idjl onto a platform with two lasers. from a platform you can stay on the platform and laser, jump to a higher platform with one laser, short hop off the platform with two lasers, run off the platform with one laser, or isai drop through the platform with one laser. sometimes you want to do the last of these so your laser goes where you want when you want. it's just more options.
thread needs more random pp advice/tips
You're ridiculous.
PP, when's your last final so I can bombard you with a few questions?
Sorry guys. =( Had a couple things to sort out and silly power ranking things to do. My finals are all done though, so I can start being better about questions now.
I'm gonna be out for a while tonight(leaving in a few minutes), but I'll try to answer what I can when I get back later on.
Didn't mean to drop the ball lol.
I'm gonna be out for a while tonight(leaving in a few minutes), but I'll try to answer what I can when I get back later on.
Didn't mean to drop the ball lol.
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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dr pp
is there any chance you could chime in on doubleshines? I think they have some uses, but I'm not sure I've ever seen you use one. Do you not trust yourself to use them consistently enough, or do you just think they're not the best option?
is there any chance you could chime in on doubleshines? I think they have some uses, but I'm not sure I've ever seen you use one. Do you not trust yourself to use them consistently enough, or do you just think they're not the best option?
Sounds normal to me. Then again I live in NC.
@Foxlisk: Double shines seem to cover some defensive options, as Mogwai has said, like Fox's shine OOS or any possible maneuvers OOS that could be done expecting a late aerial. I never do it personally because 1. I'm not very good at it LOL and 2. I feel like ordinary shine mixups can still be improved upon personally to pressure shields better(as an example, I haven't really done much shine grabbing yet, but I'm doing that more now).
I guess I see it as useful but not fully necessary. I am working on double shining though because I'd like to use all of my options.
Edit: Just a little too slow Spawn. =p
D1
Banned via Administration
Thanks PP! I was thinkin bair was too predictable I'll work what you said into my repertoire.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
yo D1, run forward, shineturnaround on the ground->bair
never see it coming.
never see it coming.
xD I knew that some people saw it. I ended up taking a nap, waking up and realizing what I said... hoping noone would quote it. xD
Kevin, let's chill at a tournament like the bros we are. If I had known you better I would have had no problem whatsoever doing that... but because I didn't know how you would react I decided it be best to just change it since noone had quoted it yet haha. <3
Edit: HOLY **** KEVIN WE THINK EXACTLY THE SAME, I JUST READ THE THING YOU POSTED TO FOXLISK!!!!!
So, what I've been doing has been only doing the normal stuff against people (only mixing up dair/nair shine) since I'm not that good with Falco yet. In my free time I practice a ****load of things including a lot of laser game stuff and multishining/multishine>grab/shinegrab/multishine>perfect wd forwards or backwards/waveshining perfectly. :D
In conclusion, Kevin- <3 you're awesome.
Lmao Spawn. <3 Too good.
@Turazrok- It kinda depends on what sort of opportunity you get. Generally, you want to get Dairs to Dairs or Dairs to Utilts. When I see a combo I can't continue, I'll try to finish it with a Bair/smash and then try to keep pushing them offstage(bairs are what are typically used here) and edgeguard.
@Turazrok- It kinda depends on what sort of opportunity you get. Generally, you want to get Dairs to Dairs or Dairs to Utilts. When I see a combo I can't continue, I'll try to finish it with a Bair/smash and then try to keep pushing them offstage(bairs are what are typically used here) and edgeguard.
these are the kinds of questions i don't understand why people ask
unknown522
Some guy
you shoot lasers until they cry, or do some awesome block string to them.
Punish them for being in the air pretty much.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Man I love playing against Luigis
Specifically against Luigi you can always punish an aerial on your shield if it's high
I like Nair -> Nair vs. Luigi ... just pretending I'm Fox ~_~
Laser the missile and refresh invincibility for easy edgehogs
Don't be afraid to go out there to spike if he missiles high and doesn't misfire
Shine kills off the top on the mountain transformation and Yoshi's haha ... Cruise too maybe?
Specifically against Luigi you can always punish an aerial on your shield if it's high
I like Nair -> Nair vs. Luigi ... just pretending I'm Fox ~_~
Laser the missile and refresh invincibility for easy edgehogs
Don't be afraid to go out there to spike if he missiles high and doesn't misfire
Shine kills off the top on the mountain transformation and Yoshi's haha ... Cruise too maybe?
AvengerAngel
Smash Journeyman
Does this apply to Nair as well? Because it seems like I can't get it to combo in Training Mode, but it looks unavoidable o_O
I mean the TM combo meter doesn't count it as a legit combo, but there is no way on earth to avoid a Nair -> Shine combo at low %, unless you CC it of course. Does anybody know? :O
Btw... GOD BLESS YOU, MAGUS <33333
I play against weegee like I'm fox. So I leave him alone in air and space bairs so he doesn't nair me :/
unknown522
Some guy
I understand.
I played vist in round 2 pools at pound 4, and it was pretty **** when I used falco game 2. Generic combos all day!!
his team with warriorknight was pretty beast though.
I played vist in round 2 pools at pound 4, and it was pretty **** when I used falco game 2. Generic combos all day!!
his team with warriorknight was pretty beast though.
Lovage
Smash Hero
did kirbykaze say honey
Quote it or it didn't happen.
AvengerAngel
Smash Journeyman
^ Quoted for emphasis
And btw, correct me if I'm wrong, Falco's shield grab takes 7 frames. His shine OOS, if it's perfectly executed, should take 6-7 frames (airbone on frame 6, I suck at frame maths). So... why is his shine OOS so good and overall better than a shield grab? I know shine combos way better than grabs (duh), but isn't a shield grab safer most of the times? :O
AvengerAngel
Smash Journeyman
On frame 5 you're still grounded, that's for sure. It should come out on frame 6 (I just checked SCOTU's frame data to be sure).
I'm not sure if shield grabs have different frame data than standing grabs, but Falco's standing grab comes out on frame 7 (info from SuperDoodleman's frame data compilation).
I'm not sure if shield grabs have different frame data than standing grabs, but Falco's standing grab comes out on frame 7 (info from SuperDoodleman's frame data compilation).
