Possible to teach my fingers?

[rabbt]

I have stupid fingers. I mean borderline ********. Sometimes they do things right, but most of the time I just **** up pretty hardcore. I know all the typical suggestions like "play more", "stop sucking", "read guides", "stop sucking", etc..., but I'm wondering if anyone has tried anything else that's worked. I'm willing to try just about anything about now...

 

[Dogysamich]

First and foremost, time and effort. That's what it is. That's what I believe, that's what I see. It's time and effort.

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But for the answer you're lookin for, you could do something along the lines of coming up with a regiment (practice schedule) and actually following through on it. And I dont mean like "Oh ima sit here and play the game for 30 minutes, and ima turn it off).

I mean like -for fox for example-, you'll do something like

30 drill shines
30 SHDL
20 RSHDl
20 Shine-Grabs
50 Shine-B.airs

etc, etc, and you work till you do it.

You sit down till you do everything you want to do, then you test yourself to put yourself on the spot and make yourself get better.

*edit* kinda stopped before I should.

And as for as far down as you go for you practice, you start wherever you need to. If you can start with stuff like that, good stuff. If you need to go further down, do it.

If you need to work on actually L cancelling your d.airs, you throw that in there.

You need to just work on shorthopping, you do it.

The point is you do whatever it takes to get it down, for some people it's not much; for others it seems like it wont happen. I've never really thought of it as much of a "Can and Cant" thing as much as it is time and effort. I've never thought of learning fox as something that people literally cant do, the button timing isnt strict at all (except for like, JC shines), the problem is people dont want to actually sit down and work on pressing the buttons.

 

[rabbt]

Awesome. I never thought of doing that. I'll try it out and see what happens.

 

[Dogysamich]

*points up* I threw a little more in at the end.

Kool. Dont just try it once and give up, I cant promise immediate results the first time you do it.

But if you do it a few times and you feel like nothing's working, ask for help again and get somebody else's opinion. Not saying I wouldnt be willing to help, but somebody might have a better answer for you specifically.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

I learned to play fox through sheer force of will. The trick is just getting your fingers to know the combinations, because if you need to think about pressing X and R when wavedashing, you're going to have trouble. It's just muscle memory for me.
I mean, when I kept over-b ing out of my waveshines, I played about 400 matches against level 9 Links, DKs, peaches, Captain Falcons, and Gannons. I can do it flawlessly now, even if someone else DI's.

 

[Grmo]

Here's what you do: you find out what tricks and techniques you're having trouble with and isolate them, then practice them over and over until they're perfect. It takes a long time, but as I've said to countless other people: there are no easy tricks. It's all about practice.

 

[Da Shuffla]

It truly only takes practice. Just sit down and force yourself to learn it. I like Dogy's suggestion of coming up with a practice schedule. I like to just take one AT and practice it repeatedly until I can do it consistently. For me, practicing SHDL and waveshining made my fingers fast enough for the rest of Fox's technicals.

 

[rabbt]

Awesome. I can waveshine fine (except reverse, I can never do for some reason). My SHDL is sketch and random unless I'm just standing around with no opponent or something. I'll focus most on those and go from there, I guess.

 

[Ojanya]

Here's an exercise I made to practice fox tech skill/fast fingers:

-Put it on lowest damage ratio

-Infinite Time

-Opponent Bowser

-Final Destination.

Basically, it makes a huge target that hardly moves after a shine, enabling you to practice really fast technical stuff easily. Let me know how it works for you.

 

[Miggz]

Yeah like everyone said takes a lot of practice.

There were days were I'd feel like giving up but I stuck with it and it paid off nicely.

Heck, its still playing off for I train with Fox to this very day.

Just make sure you aren't tired or anything because you need to be really focused to train with Fox.

Good luck and never give up...

 

[Da Shuffla]

For reverse waveshining, simply focus on pressing jump before you press your direction. You never know when you might need it.

 

[ComboTurtle]

i like to turn around in the shine first then wavedash i find it easier

 

[Rubyiris]

A good way to become consistent, as suggested earlier, is to do techskill drills. I'm very harsh on myself however, and I restart once I make the slightest mistake. It's all to drill consistency, and muscle-memory into my system.

I do, for example

50 empty short hops. If I ever once full-hop, the count resets to 0.
50 short hop fast fall lasers. Once again, any single mess up resets the count to 0.
50 short hop double lasers.
50 wavedashes to the left
50 wavedashes to the right
25 wavedashes back and forth.
50 wavelands
50 waveshines in place.
50 waveshines to the left
50 waveshines to the right.
50 waveshines back and forth, basically 25 to the left, 25 to the right, without stopping.
50 short hop nairs
50 short hop dairs
50 short hop bairs
50 short hop uairs
10 alternating aerials. (Doing each aerial within quick succession of eachother.)
50 nair to shines
50 dair to shines
50 bair to shines
50 uair to shines
10 alternating aerials to shines.
50 shine short hop double lasers
50 short illusions
50 sweet spotted illusions
50 sweet spotted fire foxes
50 drill-shine-grabs
50 drill-shine-usmashes
50 wavedashes out of shield
drill-shine infinite link, peach, and c.falcon on FD 4 stocks each without mistake.
waveshine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.
drill-shine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.

practice wavelanding from the ledge for 10 minutes
practice waveshine out of shield for 10 minutes
Practice double shine for 10 minutes

I do this every day.

 

[Miggz]

A good way to become consistent, as suggested earlier, is to do techskill drills. I'm very harsh on myself however, and I restart once I make the slightest mistake. It's all to drill consistency, and muscle-memory into my system.

I do, for example

50 empty short hops. If I ever once full-hop, the count resets to 0.
50 short hop fast fall lasers. Once again, any single mess up resets the count to 0.
50 short hop double lasers.
50 wavedashes to the left
50 wavedashes to the right
25 wavedashes back and forth.
50 wavelands
50 waveshines in place.
50 waveshines to the left
50 waveshines to the right.
50 waveshines back and forth, basically 25 to the left, 25 to the right, without stopping.
50 short hop nairs
50 short hop dairs
50 short hop bairs
50 short hop uairs
10 alternating aerials. (Doing each aerial within quick succession of eachother.)
50 nair to shines
50 dair to shines
50 bair to shines
50 uair to shines
10 alternating aerials to shines.
50 shine short hop double lasers
50 short illusions
50 sweet spotted illusions
50 sweet spotted fire foxes
50 drill-shine-grabs
50 drill-shine-usmashes
50 wavedashes out of shield
drill-shine infinite link, peach, and c.falcon on FD 4 stocks each without mistake.
waveshine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.
drill-shine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.

practice wavelanding from the ledge for 10 minutes
practice waveshine out of shield for 10 minutes
Practice double shine for 10 minutes

I do this every day.

WOAH! You train like Rock Lee of Naruto. =P

 

[FastFox]

A good way to become consistent, as suggested earlier, is to do techskill drills. I'm very harsh on myself however, and I restart once I make the slightest mistake. It's all to drill consistency, and muscle-memory into my system.

I do, for example

50 empty short hops. If I ever once full-hop, the count resets to 0.
50 short hop fast fall lasers. Once again, any single mess up resets the count to 0.
50 short hop double lasers.
50 wavedashes to the left
50 wavedashes to the right
25 wavedashes back and forth.
50 wavelands
50 waveshines in place.
50 waveshines to the left
50 waveshines to the right.
50 waveshines back and forth, basically 25 to the left, 25 to the right, without stopping.
50 short hop nairs
50 short hop dairs
50 short hop bairs
50 short hop uairs
10 alternating aerials. (Doing each aerial within quick succession of eachother.)
50 nair to shines
50 dair to shines
50 bair to shines
50 uair to shines
10 alternating aerials to shines.
50 shine short hop double lasers
50 short illusions
50 sweet spotted illusions
50 sweet spotted fire foxes
50 drill-shine-grabs
50 drill-shine-usmashes
50 wavedashes out of shield
drill-shine infinite link, peach, and c.falcon on FD 4 stocks each without mistake.
waveshine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.
drill-shine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.

practice wavelanding from the ledge for 10 minutes
practice waveshine out of shield for 10 minutes
Practice double shine for 10 minutes

I do this every day.

So I take it you don't have a job.


Anyway, back on topic, I would like to comment on all the "drills" people are posting. Yeah, they're great for muscle memory and everything, but real technical skill comes from knowing when to apply what during a match. For instance, say I'm about to waveshine marth whilst beneath one of the platforms on PokeStad. Marth expects this, and therefore crouch-cancels in hope of grabbing me before I either a) shine again, or b) grab him. Because I expect this, I can either a) double-shine 50 times in a row and if I screw up start over again, or b) jump onto the platform out of the wavedash, wavedash off the platform with a b-air, or a d-air (which will then allow me to start the waveshine all over again).

My point is, practice all you can to get your fingers to play smarter, however keep in mind it's probably not going to be your fingers going dumb in a match, it's going to be you.

 

[Grmo]

To back up FastFox, I need to point out that drills aren't going to be very useful, because getting in the habit of doing things in whatever order will not help you in the slightest during a match. Instead, try doing all those things at random so that you can do anything whenever you want during a match.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Rubyiris sure has some spare time

Look, it comes down to basic muscle memory just get that down

 

[Rubyiris]

To back up FastFox, I need to point out that drills aren't going to be very useful, because getting in the habit of doing things in whatever order will not help you in the slightest during a match. Instead, try doing all those things at random so that you can do anything whenever you want during a match.

Doing drills helps extraordinarily with execution, which is absolutely necessary in game. Also doing it to level 1 computers won't create any bad habits what so ever.

Also; no I don't have a job, and it's not by choice. I've been trying to get a job since summer 2008. Still no luck. I'm currently 300$ in dept too. It's pretty bad. =\

 

[Miggz]

To back up FastFox, I need to point out that drills aren't going to be very useful, because getting in the habit of doing things in whatever order will not help you in the slightest during a match. Instead, try doing all those things at random so that you can do anything whenever you want during a match.

This accurately describes my method of training. I try to avoid focusing solely on one thing for too long. Not to mention when I think too hard about trying something I mess up, whereas when I do practice on a subconscious level and relax...I become more consistent.

 

[battousai555]

This accurately describes my method of training. I try to avoid focusing solely on one thing for too long. Not to mention when I think too hard about trying something I mess up, whereas when I do practice on a subconscious level and relax...I become more consistent.

This. Too much drilling in general doesn't help too much, IMO. I remember coming back from a little vacation and my tech skill was actually more consistent because I was nice and relaxed. Too many people get the idea that one can just have awesome tech skill and go super aggro and win, but against players who can adapt, predictable approaches (despite technical proficiency) will be punished.

I've recently been focusing on playing a kind of hit and run/bait playstyle, and it has worked quite well for me. Tricking your opponent into thinking you're approaching and punishing accordingly is very effective. PC Chris (and KDJ back when he played a lot) seemed to be incredibly patient/tricky, and were pretty basic technically (for the most part!).

I recently had a conversation with Victra about this. I think the point I'm trying to make (to the OP) is not to drill tech-skill TOO much and become obsessed with being sexy/flashy. Become technically consistent with the basics and THINK A LOT. DO NOT hide behind your tech-skill and become a mindless nair-shining drone.

Note: I'm not implying that anyone is encouraging any bad habits, but merely giving advice that I wish someone gave me when I needed it. I hope this helps ^^

 

[Grmo]

lmao, someone's a rurouni kenshin fan

 

[battousai555]

lmao, someone's a rurouni kenshin fan

Nah, I prefer Samurai X. Rurouni Kenshin is only interesting for like 6 episodes or so.

 

[rabbt]

I know (most of the time) when to jump out and start overs, but my fingers just say "**** you I'm going to sffl fair" instead. So far I haven't been able to complete any of the drills....it's sort of annoying.

 

[Miggz]

Nah, I prefer Samurai X. Rurouni Kenshin is only interesting for like 6 episodes or so.

Yeah I didn't stay too attached to that show either. I thought Samuari 7 (despite being shorter) was more interesting to watch, and Naruto of course. lol

 

[FastFox]

K, guys. Back on topic. I don't wanna have to start infracting Fox players. You guys are usually the good bunch.

ANYWAY, I never turn on my cube and training-mode **** up. I rely on playing for practice in both execution and situational usages.

 

[L__]

A good way to become consistent, as suggested earlier, is to do techskill drills. I'm very harsh on myself however, and I restart once I make the slightest mistake. It's all to drill consistency, and muscle-memory into my system.

I do, for example

50 empty short hops. If I ever once full-hop, the count resets to 0.
50 short hop fast fall lasers. Once again, any single mess up resets the count to 0.
50 short hop double lasers.
50 wavedashes to the left
50 wavedashes to the right
25 wavedashes back and forth.
50 wavelands
50 waveshines in place.
50 waveshines to the left
50 waveshines to the right.
50 waveshines back and forth, basically 25 to the left, 25 to the right, without stopping.
50 short hop nairs
50 short hop dairs
50 short hop bairs
50 short hop uairs
10 alternating aerials. (Doing each aerial within quick succession of eachother.)
50 nair to shines
50 dair to shines
50 bair to shines
50 uair to shines
10 alternating aerials to shines.
50 shine short hop double lasers
50 short illusions
50 sweet spotted illusions
50 sweet spotted fire foxes
50 drill-shine-grabs
50 drill-shine-usmashes
50 wavedashes out of shield
drill-shine infinite link, peach, and c.falcon on FD 4 stocks each without mistake.
waveshine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.
drill-shine infinite on a walled stage for 2 minutes without mistake.

practice wavelanding from the ledge for 10 minutes
practice waveshine out of shield for 10 minutes
Practice double shine for 10 minutes

I do this every day.

Just curious, do you have any recent recorded matches?

 

[TheKneeOfJustice]

"I train in the mountains."

You sir, are an animal.

 

[Thanatos*~]

I have stupid fingers. I mean borderline ********. Sometimes they do things right.

have some confidence would be my advice. get in a good mindset and u'd be surprised.