Pokemon X and Y (SPOILERS THREAD)

[PsychoIncarnate]

There probably is gong to be at least 2 event legendaries.

This games version of Mew and Mewtwo

 

[Pyra]

So... it's some kind of god slug over natural order right?

 

[Reizilla]

So... it's some kind of god slug over natural order right?

Pretty much. It's kind of how Rayquaza was to Kyogre and Groudon.


Another sign! Hoenn confirmed!!

 

[Wave⁂]

Mewtwo Y stats are out

HP: 99 - 114
Atk: 143 - 158
Def: 70 - 85
SpA: 194 - 209
SpD: 111 - 126
Spe: 140 - 155

gg

 

[Pyra]

Mewtwo Y stats are out

HP: 99 - 114
Atk: 143 - 158
Def: 70 - 85
SpA: 194 - 209
SpD: 111 - 126
Spe: 140 - 155

gg

Holy mother of SpA.

 

[Spire]

Oh my god.

Zygarde is my new favorite legendary—absolutely. What it represents conceptually, its hexagonal dualistic serpentine appearance with medusa-like appendages. I mean, it just caters to my interests so much. Plus: DRAGON/GROUND!

"It's hypothesized that it's monitoring those who destroy the ecosystem from deep in the cave where it lives."

I also love caves! This is definitely my favorite Pokémon of this generation (not counting Megas).

Zygarde!

Finally a legendary that rivals Mewtwo. I'm certain Mewtwo will forever be one of my favorite Pokémon, let alone one of my favorite fictional creatures ever created in recent times, but Zygarde takes a healthy seat right next to Mewtwo, trumping every other legendary since Gen I. Every single one.

Zygarde just single-handedly saved this generation for me. I was seriously contemplating opting out of X and Y, and I honestly still may (I have a bit much on my plate right now, Pokémon would be a distraction), but my gosh—I will buy Pokémon Z next year.

 

[mood4food77]

mewtwo y has some crazy good SpA

they probably made it that high cause they knew mewtwo @ life orb would still deal more damage, so while slightly less damage, you don't get the recoil and are faster, pretty good trade-off if you ask me

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Mewtwo Y stats are out

HP: 99 - 114
Atk: 143 - 158
Def: 70 - 85
SpA: 194 - 209
SpD: 111 - 126
Spe: 140 - 155

gg

while the special attack stat makes it hit as hard as lo mewtwo, it's faster and has slightly more bulk. gggggggggggggggggggggggggg

 

[Spire]

I think I cracked Zygarde's name:

It is based on the Midgard Serpent, Zygotes, and the more obvious 'guard' considering it protects the ecosystem. Interesting how Xerneas and Yveltal represent the X and Y chromosomes, while Zygarde represents the marriage of the two chromosomes through reproduction. They also all represent the main three axes of spacial dimension: x (length, horizontal, land), y (width, vertical, sky), and z (depth, underground).

This is my favorite Pokémon trio. They are aesthetically and conceptually the most interesting to me.

 

[Banjodorf]

I think I cracked Zygarde's name:

It is based on the Midgard Serpent, Zygotes, and the more obvious 'guard' considering it protects the ecosystem. Interesting how Xerneas and Yveltal represent the X and Y chromosomes, while Zygarde represents the marriage of the two chromosomes through reproduction. They also all represent the main three axes of spacial dimension: x (length, horizontal, land), y (width, vertical, sky), and z (depth, underground).

This is my favorite Pokémon trio. They are aesthetically and conceptually the most interesting to me.

Wholeheartedly agree with this. All of it. The very concept and design of all THREE of them is refreshing and unique to the series. I can't stop loving them. Ever.

The way they tied in so many things for these dudes is over the top fantastic. This gen is looking pretty great. I'm hopeful about the remaining Megas and the event Pokeon as well, because Gen 6 is lookin' stellar.

Although I still hate standalone non-Legends. Here's lookin' at you, Klefki, Carbink and Dedenne...

 

[I_hate_usernames]

Kinda disappointing Zygarde wasn't a Dragon/poison or Dragon/bug. Dragon/ground is by far one of them most common dual dragon types around :\​

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Speaking of which has anyone else noticed that flying loses it's super effectiveness against ground when it's a dual type, regardless of whether or not the second type resists flying of not.
Why is that?​

 

[JOE!]

Flying isnt SE vs ground... what?

 

[I_hate_usernames]

Flying isnt SE vs ground... what?

When dual typed, I almost lost my honchcrow to a gastrodon because of this! I've noticed the same applies to flygon and garchamp.

 

[JOE!]

did you use roost?

 

[Banjodorf]

This just in, Skrelp's evo, Dragalgae apparently confirmed by E4 member to be Poison/Dragon. There it is, folks. I want it. RIGHT NOW.

Hopefully image soon.

Going to be getting Y now...

 

[JOE!]

wanted Y for Skrelp from design anyway, knowing it is poison/dragon is just icing on the cake, that and droughtzard.

 

[I_hate_usernames]

Jesus, X and Y let out a **** ton of dragon types this generation!!!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Yep...looks like there's a Poison/Dragon after all.

I really don't know which one I would choose. (I don't have a 3DS and don't plan on getting one at the moment)

Clauncher's evolution should've been Water/Fire to compensate.

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[Circa]

I already know my approximations are off, but its base stats would seem to be something like...

HP - 65
Atk - 85
Def - 90
SpA - 90
SpD - 125
Spe - 60

I just kind of assumed less than perfect IVs, but since I don't know them off-hand my values are probably a little low in a lot of those categories. I don't know how people normally figure out base stats.

 

[Teran]

Jesus, X and Y let out a **** ton of dragon types this generation!!!

Because they nerfed the **** out of it so it's not really special anymore.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Welp... Looks like Dragalge's typing shows why Goodra didn't end up Drag/Poison as well. I knew there had to be some reason.

But as cool as Dragalge is this means I now lack my dedicated Water and there's no more Kalos Waters to choose from other than the fugly Barbaracle.

...Alright Squirtle you win. Guess this is my chance to warm up to Megas.

Z Pokmeon is pretty cool I guess.

 

[Banjodorf]

Because they nerfed the **** out of it so it's not really special anymore.

Honestly people are overreacting about Fairy. Sure, Pokemon like Gardevoir just got alot better and will probably check dragons hard, but other fairy types are going to get the **** kicked out of them by the good dragons, who won't give any ****s.

I mean, Dragalge basically doesn't give a **** about fairies, and if unique typings aren't special I dunno what is.

(I'm really glad his stats aren't garbage)

 

[I_hate_usernames]

I hate dragon types....

/Francis

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

after playing against outrage spam for the past generation i got sick of it. it was alright with just dnite and mence but then you add **** like kyu-b into it and it just got ridiculous.

unfortunately, without knowing how many of the previous 'mons became fairies and the rest of 'em looking so damn lackluster at dealing with dragons, we're bound to run into problems. right now, gardevoir and sylveon are both our primary hopes at dealing with them and neither are physically defensive enough to be able to take repeated eqs from a dnite or a garchomp.

 

[Teran]

Honestly people are overreacting about Fairy. Sure, Pokemon like Gardevoir just got alot better and will probably check dragons hard, but other fairy types are going to get the **** kicked out of them by the good dragons, who won't give any ****s.

I mean, Dragalge basically doesn't give a **** about fairies, and if unique typings aren't special I dunno what is.

(I'm really glad his stats aren't garbage)

This is a lot like the way GF supernerfed Psychic types in Gen II onwards. Just like the Psychic type, Dragon in and of itself wasn't offensively ridiculous, in fact the only SE damage it did was to other Dragons. Yes, only Steel resisted it, but overall the fact that it was basically all round neutral was what made it unique and rather balanced. Defensively Dragon was a fantastic type, save for an achilles heel in Ice, which was usually compounded by the strongest Dragons usually have a dual weakness to it. Generally dual typing Dragon gives it more weaknesses, the only exception being with Water. Overall Dragon was a superior type, yes, and that was the whole point of them. They were supposed to be a rare and powerful type, since Dragons in general are a very important mythical entity in Asia, that's sort of the idea.

Then Fairies come along, with complete immunity to Dragon type attacks and SE damage, not to mention the only weankesses they have are to the two offensive types nobody ****ing uses, Poison and Steel. On top of that, GF decides because Steel hits Fairy now, they should remove its resistances to Ghost and Dark, essentially screwing over the Steel/Psychics, and just weakening the overall effectiveness of Steels in general.

Yeah it resists Fairy now blah blah.

Overall GF is screwing everything up yet again by constantly trying to add too much new **** instead of focusin on fixing the myriad of broken mechanics it kept on introducing. Maybe they should think of that first.

I'm not really annoyed with the addition of a type (even it is a little gay), it's just kinda =/ inducing when they keep turning everything upside down each generation. It's a shame, they were on a roll with Gen 4 pre Platinum.

 

[Banjodorf]

"Even if it is a little gay."

Uh...well that sort of took an unfortunate turn.

I'll say again, good Psychic types are still good. You didn't really explain why Garchomp and Salamence or even Flygon are really going to give a **** about Fairy due to their diverse move pools. And Zard X will just murder then all, and like Reshiram and Dialga, isn't weak to Fairy anyway.

In Ubers, Fairies are gonna get hardcore checked by Ho-oh. So honestly I don't think GF really "****ed up" anything.

Leave it to fans to act like not only do they understand something more than it's creators, but that they are entitled to choose its direction, and when it doesn't go their way, it's awful. (Note that this isn't in reference to EVERYTHING) you said, but more s blanket statement on complaints about this from the competitive fandom.

Edit: In addition, even though Fairy is the ultimate counter to Outrage, it won't matter because Outrage had seen a reduction in use anyway, due to its negatives beginning to outweigh the positives (Not being able to switch, etc)

 

[The Real Gamer]

Dragons deserved a nerf they were far superior to every other type in nearly every way. They're so over-centralizing it's pretty much impossible to make a solid team without having at LEAST 1 Steel (hell many teams use 2). Even with Fairies around Dragons are still gonna be dominant. Like Riddle (Washed-Laundry?) said above we still have yet to see a Fairy that can reliably check stuff like Garchomp or CB D Nite.

Steels also deserved a nerf. Steels are as dominant defensively as Dragons are offensively. It provides way too many resistances. Even WITH the nerf Steel resists 11 out of the 18 attacking types. Without the nerf it would have resisted a whopping 13 of the 18 attacking types... That's insane. To put how ridiculous that is into context the type with the 2nd most amount of resistances only provides 5 of them, which isn't even half as many... and the real kicker? It's not even a true defensive type (Fire)! Steel typing is the reason why Pokemon like Jirachi, Ferrothorn, Scizor, and Heatran are always at the top of the usage charts, and always will be (even with the nerfs).

Fairy being weak to Poison provides a much needed boost to Poison types considering it's by far the worst attacking type in the game (5 types resist it and it's only super effective against a single type... Grass... which is commonly dual typed with Poison lol).

The REAL winner in all of these type changes is Gengar. It's pretty much THE Fairy killer now... and without Steel resisting Ghost anymore what's gonna counter this thing? Only types resisting STAB Shadow Ball are Normal and Dark types now... and both get eaten alive by Focus Blast. Better pack a Blissey/Chansey or else Gengar's gonna run a train through your team in Gen 6.

EDIT: I forgot Fairy isn't effective against Fire so Fire actually provides 6 resistances instead of 5. My point still stands though.

 

[Wave⁂]

Turns out Mewtwo Y's Speed is 140, which is basically an insignificant improvement, especially when you factor in less SpAtk due to not having LO.

 

[Steelia]

Turns out Mewtwo Y's Speed is 140, which is basically an insignificant improvement, especially when you factor in less SpAtk due to not having LO.

(LO?)
Heard somewhere that the base stat for his SpAtk was somewhere between 190~210. Haven't been able to find that source again since, though. Any confirmation on any of his other stats?

 

[Nintendotard]

Someone on instagram is saying that these are all fakes...after what we've seen so far, do you guys believe him?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Someone on instagram is saying that these are all fakes...after what we've seen so far, do you guys believe him?

Nope.

Nintendo got involved.

 

[Nintendotard]

That's what I was thinking too, but now I have some doubt...but I still believe a majority of these guys are real. The images are just too good.

 

[Wave⁂]

(LO?)
Heard somewhere that the base stat for his SpAtk was somewhere between 190~210. Haven't been able to find that source again since, though. Any confirmation on any of his other stats?

LO is Life Orb, or 30% more SpAtk at the cost of some recoil.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokémon-xy-data-collection.3489182/

#???? - Mega Mewtwo Y (Psychic)
Base 106/150/70/194/120/140
Insomnia

 

[The Real Gamer]

(LO?)

LO is short for the item "Life Orb."

That's what I was thinking too, but now I have some doubt...but I still believe a majority of these guys are real. The images are just too good.

All (69?) of the leaked Pokemon are confirmed as real.

 

[Reizilla]

I'm pretty sure what made dragons so dominant had just as much to do with having insane base stats as it did with typing.

 

[mood4food77]

it was more so that they could run 2 attack moves and pretty much not have to worry about the opponent switching in as dragon with ground, fire, or water hit practically everything for at least neutral damage

 

[The Real Gamer]

Naturally higher base stats do play a role but I'd argue Dragon's dominance has more to do with typing (Kyurem has insanely high base stat totals compared to other OU mons... but it still sucks thanks to its typing).

With other types you actually have options when it comes to combating them(Ghost, Poison, Psychic or Flying to combat Fighting... Grass or Water to combat Water... etc) which leads to more team flexibility. When it comes to dealing with Dragons you either use Steels or you're boned.

Like I said earlier Steel is the only type that you absolutely need to have on a competitive OU team or else your team will most likely suck. Dragons are that threatening and over centralizing.

 

[Aurane]

Goomy >> Sliggoo >> Goodra
Type: Dragon
Abilities: Sap Sipper/Hydration

Love these guys. Besides Aegislash, Goodra is totally the best 6th gen Pokemon, IMO

 

[The Real Gamer]

Togepi confirmed to be pure Fairy type...

Looks like Togekiss will end up being the Dragon slayer everyone's been looking for. Hard counters both of Garchomp's STAB with Fairy/Flying typing.

 

[Reizilla]

What does sap sipper do again?