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Pokemon Trainer (Red!) Discussion

Ferro De Lupe

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quadruped - noun
1. An animal, especially a mammal, having four limbs specialized for walking.

biped - noun
1. An animal with two feet.
Using these definitions, yes...Pikachu COULD technically be considered a quadruped.

However, unlike a true quadruped (Wolf Link, Venasaur, etc.), Pikachu can stand upright and use his "front feet" as hands. Therefore, Pikachu/Pichu can't be considered the first quadruped moveset. He's more of a quadruped in appearance only than anything else.
 

Black/Light

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THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

See? I'm not crazy. Ivysaur isn't quite as unique as people think.
Yeah, Pika runs on all 4s. . . but what everyone who sugguested a 4 legged character would know is that Pika "does really count".

Pika can run on all 4s but also stands on 2 legs. He isn't "fully" 4 legged and for a long time people have been saying that a fully 4 legger "just can't work".
 

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I beg to differ. Why doesn't anyone consider Pikachu a quadruped? It runs on all four legs, it just stands on two when it's stationery.
Pikachu naturally stands on 2 legs, Ivysaur doesn't. That's the difference.

Ice Climbers were the first 4 legged character.
 

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Pikachu naturally stands on 2 legs, Ivysaur doesn't. That's the difference.

Ice Climbers were the first 4 legged character.
Ivysaur can stand on two legs, though. He doesn't seem to in Brawl, based on the screens that have been shown; I'm just saying that a 4-legged character isn't that big a deal. I doubt Ivysaur will play too much differently just because he always seems to be on all fours.
 

Florida

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Read HIS quote to see what I'm talking about- He "forgot" vB because that's how you switch between the Pokemon... did you read the whole update?
o.o you're right.
n00b moment right there.
I'll go ahead and fix that... and act like that never happened :p
 

Puffs

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I hope Charizard doesn't look too awkward moving on the ground... I can't imagine how they'll pull that off.

And anyone could tell you in-game Pokemon stats mean nothing to the developers of Smash Bros. Just compare Mewtwo and Pichu.
 

Puffs

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mewtwo...how come puffs, i like him, but there aren't a lotta a mew2 playas, are there???
I enjoy playing as Mewtwo, but I'm not particularly talented with him. He's a challenge to play as :)

But that's not the point. There's no reason for Mewtwo to be taken out of Smash Bros.
 

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I keep telling people that Mewtwo won't be cut, but no one ever listens. I can't see Mewtwo being a final smash either...maybe Mew, but I'm sure someone's suggested that already.
 

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If there's anything we learned from Pokémon Trainer becoming a playable character, it's that no matter how much sense it makes to leave out or include a character, the game developer will decide, seemingly on a whim, which characters will stay and go. Personally, since he has his own moveset and character model already, I see no reason why he'd be cut, but since I'm not making the game, I can't make a judgment one way or the other.
 

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If there's anything we learned from Pokémon Trainer becoming a playable character, it's that no matter how much sense it makes to leave out or include a character, the game developer will decide, seemingly on a whim, which characters will stay and go. Personally, since he has his own moveset and character model already, I see no reason why he'd be cut, but since I'm not making the game, I can't make a judgment one way or the other.
Ya see, thats one reason why I love this update. ALL this time people have been bashing character ideas for smash based on their assumptions which they called "rules". With this update he smashed the fan made rules like. . .

"Char can't be playable, it's been in the ball for the past 2 games"

"Pokeball pokemon most likely aint going to become characters"

"ALL starters are pokeballed"

"No, w/e can't be in because it's not humonoid. Fully 4 legged characters can't work in this game."

"Pokemon is a cash cow now. They are only going to put in the really popular pokemon like Deoxy and Lucario"

"The only characters from the pokemon games will be pokemon . . .plus, a trainer would suck!"

"It's most likely between the 3rd and 4th gen for character pics seeing as new 1st gen pokemon are unlikely. It's already over repped in melee"

With this turn in events I hope to see the masses stop their downing of ideas and assuming their are rules towhich Sakurai upholds. :p

He does w/e the hell he wants. . . and right now we are seeing the fruits of his (and his team's) creativity by having these 3 golden examples of him not giving a crap about fan rules.
 

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If there's anything I like about people insulting a character idea, it's proving them wrong.

"Huh-huh-huh... Pokemon are, like, gonna be the only one's to fight 'cuz trainers, like, suck. Like, I want my favorite character, Magikarp, in, like, Brawl! ...Yeah..."

"Dude, Pokemon Trainer already is confirmed for Brawl."

"...What?"

"Yeah, and Magikarp can't be in, he can't do anything!"

"...What?"

"Putting in Magikarp is like putting in a normal fish in Brawl."

"... ... ...What?"
 

Puffs

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But Pokemon Trainer does suck. Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are the real badasses.
 

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I love how I spent about 3 hours working out movesets for all three Pokemon and it gets completely ignored for mindless banter. Such is life?

Whatever, I guess. I'll go enjoy my time offline by... uh... ... sleeping. Yes.
 

Procrasticritter

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I think Pokemon Trainer is the most awesome update so far. From a game design point of view, he seems like a very interesting character, and I am eager to see how the Pokemon switching mechanic will work. And secondly, because he puts all those fanboys (especially the haters and the self-proclaimed "experts" or "insiders") to shame, showing that their "rules" and supposedly super-accurate predictions are a completely worthless load of crap.

This is Sakurai saying "I'm the game designer here, not you." That's the way it should be and I hope he does more of these completely shocking updates
 

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If there's anything I like about people insulting a character idea, it's proving them wrong.

"Huh-huh-huh... Pokemon are, like, gonna be the only one's to fight 'cuz trainers, like, suck. Like, I want my favorite character, Magikarp, in, like, Brawl! ...Yeah..."

"Dude, Pokemon Trainer already is confirmed for Brawl."

"...What?"

"Yeah, and Magikarp can't be in, he can't do anything!"

"...What?"

"Putting in Magikarp is like putting in a normal fish in Brawl."

"... ... ...What?"
What the fug are you talking about?

Fawriel
I love how I spent about 3 hours working out movesets for all three Pokemon and it gets completely ignored for mindless banter. Such is life?
That's your fault. Nobody forced you to make those stupid movesets. It's not like making movesets accomplish anything. You think Sakurai is going to come here and say "Oh crap! That's a much better moveset. I'd better go redo their moves!"

Procrasticritter
I think Pokemon Trainer is the most awesome update so far.
What about "You must recover!"?
 

Odlanier

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red will be a wuss, his pkmn will be badass, loser can't defend himself...
Actually, you've counterspoken yourself- if his pokemon are bad-AXE (as my friend likes to say) then he can command them, thus defending himself rather well.
 

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Actually, you've counterspoken yourself- if his pokemon are bad-AXE (as my friend likes to say) then he can command them, thus defending himself rather well.
...they're animals who obey the one who feeds them -_-'...lol why take it all so seriously...i was just gonna point out naruto, said to myself i should at least post a post that has sumthin to do with the topic...but i guess no one wants to take they're time realizing that.
 

Odlanier

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...they're animals who obey the one who feeds them -_-'...lol why take it all so seriously...i was just gonna point out naruto, said to myself i should at least post a post that has sumthin to do with the topic...but i guess no one wants to take they're time realizing that.
Apologies... by the way, what's the rest of your sig? I can only see the top edge of that picture... can you post it?

EDIT: never mind, it's Fox.
 

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If you look in his profile it'll show the full signature.
 

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what the HELL are you guyz talkin about...he enters in safari zone without pkmn...(cheat -_-')...and throws rocks at rhyhorns with his pkmn...
it was called a joke...and i think you two are jokin as well...
Apologies... by the way, what's the rest of your sig? I can only see the top edge of that picture... can you post it?

EDIT: never mind, it's Fox.
yo we coo!

hell, i get turned down a lot, they never accept my request for a sig, i just recently asked for one again and am hoping this time it gets done. pce outz.
 

Yukiwarashi

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Oh, and freeman, don't be such an ***.

There's nothing wrong with coming up with a moveset and asking for discussions. We know that Red's Pokemon are playable, so we may as well talk about what they'll play like. There's no harm in that, is there? The game comes out November 22nd in Japan, so until then we should be free to talk about theories and such. It can be pretty interesting to see how close his moveset could be to the actual character.
 
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