Notice the bubble to the upper right of Kirby. that's either a clang, or (more likely) Ivysaur going back into his pokeball- either way, you're probably right- LOL at Kirby and Pika running away.
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Pokemon Trainer (Red!) Discussion
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Notice the bubble to the upper right of Kirby. that's either a clang, or (more likely) Ivysaur going back into his pokeball- either way, you're probably right- LOL at Kirby and Pika running away.
That discussion's officially over, just so you know.
EDIT: Arrgh double post! and sorry if I sounded rude Onslaught, but it's just that discussion annoyed the heck out of me when we could've been discussing actual gameplay-related material.
jimmysilverrims
Smash Ace
Like I said, let's drop it. It's a Ying Yang situation. Neither can be 'The Very Best, Like No One Ever Was' with out the other, because 'Arm and Arm They'll Win the Fight' and Red will say: 'You Teach Me And I'll Teach You PO-KAY-MON!' and that 'Ooooh, You're My Best Friend In A World We Must Defend'
Sakurai has expressed an interest in flying characters.
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Not to beat the dead horse anymore than it needs to be, but I disagree with the Batman/Robin-Pt/Pikachu analogy. Batman fights along side Robin, which I have no problem with. Plus, Robin learned how to fight properly by watching Batman. The pokemon already have the fighting capability, they just hone their skills by being in pokemon battles, which the trainer presents to them.
ANYWAY. I think that the lag (if there was actually a substantial amount) could also work in favor of the PT. If you see Captain Falcon getting ready to Falcon Punch you, you could switch to a different pokemon, and if the lag was great enough, Falcon would miss.
Regardless, it does look like the lag is pretty minimal.
ANYWAY. I think that the lag (if there was actually a substantial amount) could also work in favor of the PT. If you see Captain Falcon getting ready to Falcon Punch you, you could switch to a different pokemon, and if the lag was great enough, Falcon would miss.
Regardless, it does look like the lag is pretty minimal.
I hope you didn't mean my moveset. =o
I was going to repost and expand a lot upon it since I only posted the gist of it, pretty much. But I don't want to do that yet because, in my opinion, this thread still has too much momentum from the initial shock and people are still discussing general stuff about the character. When that has died down, we can sit down over a cup of tea and talk about the finer points of the character.
LOL you know that song way too well...
ACTIVATE SUBJECT-CHANGE SKILLS!
So another thing about switching is that there'll be a huge moveset...(Go Fawriel! Now, while they're distracted!)
The amount of lag is irrelevant. A skilled player would make good use of it still.
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Yes, that was basically my point. I saw someone mention how lag could be problematic for the trainer, and I mentioned how it could work to his advantage.
Well we want to know whether you'll need to be a skilled player to make use of it- I'm not, I don't even know how to wavedash! (all in room gasp) What? it's true!
Wavedashing is easy. Wavedashing in sucession is hard. It just takes practice.
OysterMeister
Smash Journeyman
In the games, my trained Pokemon always seem to beet the tar out of hordes of wild Pokemon. That has to say something, doesn't it?
Think of it like this: Is a man trained as a soldier in the army a more capable fighter than some guy who buys some military gear and does an equal amount of push-ups on his own?
If so, then wouldn't a Pokemon trained in battle also be a more capable fighter than a Pokemon who just got into occasional fights in the wild?
I want to know when it's possible to switch Pokemon. Is this something that can be done in the air?
I'm pretty sure it is. A beam just shoots from the pokeball.
tirkaro
Smash Champion
I suppose if zelda can turn into shiek in mid-air, then it's fair for red to switch pokemon in mid-air :/
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No, I don't think so. As I said in one of my earlier posts, I wasn't talking about what works to make it a good game. I meant in reference to what a trainer would actually do for the pokemon were it "real".
This logic would work if the trainer had a way of actually teaching Pikachu how to use Thundershock or something. Yes, they buy TMs, but it's not like the Trainer is teaching the pokemon martial arts or anything. The trainer can't show Charizard how to use Flamethrower the same way a general can teach a soldier how to properly fire a gun.
I'm guessing you can, but your new pokemon will probably replace the old one in the exact same place. At least, that's what makes the most sense to me. I guess we'll find out.
The Mac04
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I get this feeling that PT gonna be top tier. Someone's gonna discover an incredible technique with him and he will own. Do you think they'll put the different Pokemon on the tier list or just PT?
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They could put all three starter pokemon on the list, but I don't think it would matter since you basically have to master all three anyway. The stamina thing is one of the subtle things that makes this different than the Zelda/Sheik set-up.
They may list the different starters on the tier, but it doesn't matter what tier any of them are since you basically have to master all three, or at the very least two. If Squirtle and Ivysaur both end up being low-tier, but Charizard is god-tier, you're going to have to put up with either Ivysaur or Squirtle if you want the advantages Charizard may offer (just an example).
jimmysilverrims
Smash Ace
I can just see it now... You're flying through the air as Charizard, Cap. Is just about t reach you with his Up B. You hit Down B and instead of grabbing you, he snatches midair! But that's not all! As Squirtle you use the Footstool jump and Meteor Smash him to the depths below! So many possibilities!
In other news... Will Squirtle's attacks be more powerful on Charizard (When in VS.) and the same for Venasaur on Squirtle and Charizard on Venasaur? Just thinking of more ways to make things more strategic
In other news... Will Squirtle's attacks be more powerful on Charizard (When in VS.) and the same for Venasaur on Squirtle and Charizard on Venasaur? Just thinking of more ways to make things more strategic
Thrillhouse-vh.
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I think PT could make it three times with a different Poke to his name, like Top Tier: Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle), Mid-tier: Pokemon Trainer (Ivysaur).
Not that it matters anyway because the tier list is a load of garbage anyway.
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It's Ivysaur, not Venasaur.
I don't see the types mattering, but that certainly would be interesting. The main problem that I see with the type advantages is that Pikachu would do a lot more damage to Squirtle, but Ivysaur and Charizard wouldn't be able to do any extra damage to Pikachu. Plus, it wouldn't make much sense if Charizard did more damage to Ivysaur, but Bowser's fire breath did the same damage it normally would (and I'd imagine it would have to).
freeman123
Smash Lord
Pokemon Trainer will probably take one space on the tier list, since the stamina thing forces players to use all of them and not just the one that they like best. I bet you could probably get away with just using two though, so if one sucks...
I think that the original idea with Zelda/Sheik in Melee was to create a transforming character that made people have to master switching back and forth at the right times in order to win. That didn't work out though, because everyone figured out that Sheik was better and just used her. That's why they added this stamina thing for PT. I wonder if Sheik will get stamina if she returns.
I think that the original idea with Zelda/Sheik in Melee was to create a transforming character that made people have to master switching back and forth at the right times in order to win. That didn't work out though, because everyone figured out that Sheik was better and just used her. That's why they added this stamina thing for PT. I wonder if Sheik will get stamina if she returns.
They may balance things out by giving them lives, & im sure they can be ko'ed normally.
XDead Sexy
Smash Apprentice
Yeah the stamina will probably reset when the poke is ko'ed if not it would pretty much ruin the character or characters.....whatever......
brawlpro
Smash Master
wow, this will be hard masterin him, its complicated, a lil bit...
I like it. He may even be better than Jiggypuff.
brawlpro
Smash Master
well i like it too, but masterin this guy might be harder than masterin ic's.
k!llsw!tch
Smash Ace
So how does the Subspace Emmirsary work with this guy......... Mastering him seems very challenging, I can't believe he made it though, he seemed nothing more than an AT or trophy......but a character?? Thats playable??
brawlpro
Smash Master
does this guy just float in the background...something is tellin me he's not gonna be great... and whats he gonna do in stages that float?
Pyr0
Smash Ace
I like the idea of swich out the pokemon while the oponent is about to attack you.
some pretty interesting tactics could be deviced with the swiches.
some pretty interesting tactics could be deviced with the swiches.
The Mac04
Smash Journeyman
I just realized, if, the switch is to fast, then you could switch to Charizard during recovery and get up easier, so it probably has lag.
Conner
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Ha ha! F*** you guys who don't want red in! he is! Smash bros Dojo , check it! he doesn't fight directly
though , he uses Squirtle , Ivysaur (which I think should be Bubasaur) , and Charizard! Sorry Squirtle fans.
though , he uses Squirtle , Ivysaur (which I think should be Bubasaur) , and Charizard! Sorry Squirtle fans.
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tirkaro
Smash Champion
but you do play as squirtle when poketrainer is using him.
The Mac04
Smash Journeyman
No comment. Except for: "That was really funny"
Conner
Smash Journeyman
Oh.
Still , Pokemon trainer is in brawl and thats what matters in this forum.
Still , Pokemon trainer is in brawl and thats what matters in this forum.
DJ Arcatek
Smash Champion
Uhh, you're a bit late there, Conner. Everyone knows already.
It seems I was a bit late also telling you this. =|
It seems I was a bit late also telling you this. =|
Conner
Smash Journeyman
hey Mac04 , love the sig. I want Diddy too.
The Mac04
Smash Journeyman
Lol, the owner gets owned. *gets owned* S***! Now the owner of the owner of the original one to be owned got owned. . . . . . . .OWNED!Uhh, you're a bit late there, Conner. Everyone knows already.
It seems I was a bit late also telling you this. =|