Pokemon Trainer (Red!) Discussion

[RyuDragonKing]

I seriously thought I was dreaming when I read that update, >.>
Took a while for the idea to grow on me, but hey, I think I have a new fav.

 

[Hydde]

Stamina Debate

Today i was arguing with a friend about how the stamina system of the pokemons would work, so i will show you what were our arguments and i want you to tell me what you think is the best choice and of course if you think that both are not as good, then show me yours.

But what i really want is, you to tell me which of the 2 choices is the most original or best suited for the character, i just wana know which option is the best.

Mine:
I was telling him that the stamina will be something that we will be able to see and feel physycally in the pokemon. IM talking about for example; less speed at running, penalties in some attacks (for example,, the water from squirtle coming weaker), maybe the porhibition of some of the B moves, shorter jumps.


His:
He said that is cooler to get penalties in damage % of our attacks.. but NOT our knockback. Another of his options was to get dizzy when your stamina bar gets to 0 (dizzy in the way like when your shield is destroyed). In the end, just penalties in numbers and that dizzy status.


I told him that his model was kinda cheap because there is no strategy there, i mean, if it is that way, i can continue fighting with my fav pokemon till the end, and this will end like a "SHEIK case". He, being a Sheik user, didnt liked to be penalised in the way i planned mine because it simply prevents him to use his fav pokemon.

But in my opinion there is no fun in his model...as there is no strategy and IMO is very boring.


Well, we anyways need to see how faster the stamina is consumed by the pokemons,


i would like to know what u guys think and what model you think is the most original or the best suited for the character.

 

[Bassoonist]

I don't know but I'm thinking the stamina will work like the Melee stamina mode. There's just a number, and when it reaches 0 you're a goner.

So basically like in Stamina mode, the Pokemon would function properally until their stamina reaches 0... but who knows?

 

[Black/Light]

I think that they will only be able to use their B moves a set amount of times before you have to ball them to rest. Like in the games. . . the ONLY thing that I see as being effected in the games if you keep them fighting for too long is their PP.

I don't think that they will slow down or get laggy or weaker or w/e becuase that would be alil cheap and too subtil. A odd animation with the pokemon right after they used up thier PP would be a clear sign that you got to change up.

 

[k!llsw!tch]

So do you think this character is in because of the success of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl. Not saying Red relates or if he does ( I haven't played Diamond and Pearl.) So can you dodge with these guys.....wavedash (if in) ect ect. Also would it kick out any other hyped ones like Lucario.

 

[majoras.]

I like the idea of swich out the pokemon while the oponent is about to attack you.

some pretty interesting tactics could be deviced with the swiches.

mmmm for example zelda
like zelda, when zelda is being waveshined why not use teleport to get out of it?

the same with the pokemons, youll cannot change when you are being waveshined, comboed or another cheap technique they may add there like wobbling. so yeah, the change will need to be done while the pokemon can perform an attack or something, and in anycase the change will have lag, and with high damage an upsmash from fox will be the mistake of the pokemon change,
so yeah the change will have strategy also, not only the saying "oh you are doing the infinite, ill change and it stops" nop

 

[freeman123]

Here's how I think the stamina will work. Above your character's damage percentage there will be a stamina meter. The meter slowly lowers as you play. If it runs out, your character becomes stunned and can't move(similar to when your shield breaks). When stunned you can't do anything except change Pokemon. When you change Pokemon, the Pokemon you called back's stamina will recharge. If you change too frequently, you won't give your Pokemon enough time to recharge their stamina meter. That's what Sakurai meant by "If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon."

That's what I think.

 

[brawlpro]

hello, guys wouldn't he make the game look glitchy just floatin in da background???

 

[Odlanier]

I think that once your stamina runs out, the pokemon becomes a Pichu and starts hurting itself in its attacks.

 

[Odlanier]

In case no one noticed the edit of my post, here it is again: That's Rumble Falls, and Red is simply standing in the background. No Pidgeot, No Platform.

As you can see, the question of scrolling stages has been answered. By Me!
Double posted again! Dangit!

 

[brawlpro]

ppl are dodging my posts on several threads...
how does that answer the ?...will he be running?

 

[dj asakura]

he seems to be standing on the grass in the backgroud

for a stage like that i'd imagine he'll just jump really high or something

 

[brawlpro]

see, when he jumps that high i'm gonna loose laughing at him. he's gonna make the game look odd. i really hope they find a good way.

 

[Odlanier]

I was thinking maybe platforms like the ones to the left of the Saffron City stage in SSB64

 

[freeman123]

He probably just follows you. If you jump to a higher platform, he jumps to a higher platform.

 

[CronoMaster]

Mmmm, u know, i cant help thinkin about that, what is he going to do in some stages, with scroll and stuff, and even if they made him so that he adapts to the stage and keep advancing with the scroll or somethin like that, what is he going to do when there is NO stage??

that came to my mind after looking at todays update. imagine, ur playing in any stage, the devil appears and send the whole stage out of the screen, all playable characters will jump to survive BUUUUT if ur playin as PT u dont control him, u control the pokemon, so ur pokemon will jump... but him???? is he going to fly????? cause u know... i assume if he dies ur pokemon die has well, then again i dont think HE can die directly, but it would be REALLY weird if he just flies or keeps jumping in the background when there is no safe ground XD

 

[Black/Light]

^^^Actually CronoMaster, you control RED. Trainer Red controls the pokemon.

It's like this. . .
You= Hand
Trainer Red= Strings
Pokemon= Puppets

You pull the strings and the strings only job is to allow you to control the puppet.
(So yea, you control the pokemon like any character. . .but Trainer Red's sole reason for being there is to act as the "strings". To command/ direct them and change them up for you. It's the middle man in other terms)

Im sure that nothing happens to the trainer. He just stays with the stage and acta as your connection to the pokemon.

 

[ClarkJables]

i thought you played the pokemon directly... also i think PT has his own personal platform he can use to float on

 

[freeman123]

You don't control the trainer at all. You control the Pokemon, it says so on the site. I think that there will probably be certain times where the trainer is off screen. It shouldn't matter as long as the Pokemon stays on screen.

I like the idea of him using Pidgeot to carry him in certain places. I know it shows him standing there in Rumble Falls, but that's because the stage isn't moving. Pidgeot could carry him when the stage moves. I don't think any of this really matters, because what the trainer is doing in the background shouldn't have any effect on the gameplay. I was thinking that maybe you won't be able to change Pokemon when he's off screen, but I don't think that they'll do that.

 

[brawlpro]

^^^Actually CronoMaster, you control RED. Trainer Red controls the pokemon.

hah, lol your not serious...r u?

 

[Odlanier]

He probably uses a platform as Pidgeot's head would block his upper body. Also, moving his legs may make his commands more dramatic. so I doubt they'll pass that up.

What excites me is that this is the second character update in a row that's completely new. does this mean that more new character updates are coming next week?

 

[PSIguy89]

not that this means too much but has anyone else noticed that Red seems to be (more or less) directly behind his pokemon at all times? it kinda has me thinking that maybe even if its a short distance he will be running around behind his pokemon to keep up (similar to Nana)

 

[Xaron Fisk]

You don't control the trainer at all. You control the Pokemon, it says so on the site. I think that there will probably be certain times where the trainer is off screen. It shouldn't matter as long as the Pokemon stays on screen.

i think the same thing.

 

[PKnight]

I figured this would be a good spot to place my first post, as the Pokémon Trainer intrigues me so much, well... I had to speak my mind!

First of all, the concept is fantastic. The anonymity of the trainer was a great idea.
In each game, you choose a trainer, and choose his name. Then (If you're at all like me) you spend the next 100+ hours as that character.
The inclusion of Pikachu (And subsequent pokémon after him) was inevitable, though I was always curious when the trainer him(her)self would make the scene too.

Speaking of that, as far as the 'Wild vs. Trained' thing goes, I see it like this.
Pikachu does fine on his own, because no one in the Smash world outright resists his Thunder attacks. He can use all the electricity he wants, and it'll always hurt everyone the same.
The trainer's job in the games is to make sure his pokémon know that simply using 'their strongest attack' is not always the right path. Which is exactly what he adds to his 'team' in Brawl.
While Pikachu can just outright attack, the trainer needs to consider which of his three 'man' team is best suited for the current situation.

And on top of that...
Having three pokémon in one character just downright rocks, especially when it's the first three starters. Talk about nostalgia, huh?

Now as far as different movesets go...
I would imagine that Squirtle would have some sort of water projectile (Water gun?), possibly Skull Bash (Used often in the animé I believe), and I would think Rapid Spin as his up B. I'm thinking along the lines of Bowser's Up B, of course.
He rapid spins a lot in the animé, right? Plus it is actually useful in the games. In yo face, spikes.

Ivysaur, I love the idea of a vine whip move that would work as some sort of get back move, along the lines of the Link's hook shot.
The idea of the charging up SolarBeam is fantastic too. Razor Leaf would be a nice projectile.

Charizard... Flamethrower, seismic toss, and flight are all great. Wouldn't change any of that for the world.

As far as the PT in the background on moving stages, I adore the idea of a Pidgeot carrying him around. Probably not going to happen, but whoever thought that up earns a gold star in my book.

This guy is quickly moving up my list as a possible new main.

 

[PSIguy89]

well i for one can say i plan on unlocking him as fast as possible and really geeting to know him better ^^

 

[Odlanier]

It would be awesome if Squirtle could dash by going into his shell (think Koopa Troopa in Mario Power Tennis) I think Charizard will probably dash by Flying slightly off the ground, like Mewtwo.

I wonder if, after beating 1P mode you'll get 1 trophy for the PT, 3 trophies for the pokemon, or all 4 of them. probably the second one, as the SMASH trophies wouldn't have any moveset to show for the PT himself.

In SSBM, it showed either Zelda or Sheik on the victory screen depending on who you were when the match ended. Will the PT:
show only himself?
show himself with his three Pokes in the background?
show himself with the pokemon you controlled at the end of the match?
It has to show him somehow, as he's the actual character on the selection screen.

 

[Black/Light]

hah, lol your not serious...r u?

Who do you pick?
Pokemon Trainer.

Who is on the selection screen?
Pokemon Trainer.

What did Sakurai say?
" No way! The Pokémon Trainer has finally arrived. And it looks like he doesn’t do his fighting directly.

Instead, he uses the three Pokémon with him—Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard—to do the fighting for him.

Is... Is he issuing commands?!

He needs to use his three Pokémon to fight. So the only ones who fight directly are the Pokémon."

 

[T-major]

that is an awesome first post PK!

Razor leaf would be a great projectile move. I can see it being a neutral B. you can hold B to release more leaves into the air, and when you let go of B, they fly forward! I can't see how Vine whip could be used to recover though... I see it being more of a side B move (with Solar Beam being a Final smash for Ivysaur)

 

[freeman123]

Who do you pick?
Pokemon Trainer.

Who is on the selection screen?
Pokemon Trainer.

What did Sakurai say?
" No way! The Pokémon Trainer has finally arrived. And it looks like he doesn’t do his fighting directly.

Instead, he uses the three Pokémon with him—Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard—to do the fighting for him.

Is... Is he issuing commands?!

He needs to use his three Pokémon to fight. So the only ones who fight directly are the Pokémon."

Yeah, but the only thing that the trainer does that you have any control over is throw out and call back Pokemon.

 

[PSIguy89]

speaking of FSs.........i really can't wait to see what Red's will be
will it be one attack that is the same no matter who is out, will it differ between pokemon or will it be a completely differnt pokemon that comes out
(watch his final smash involve him jumping into the fray throwing rocks at everyone...lol)

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

wow so you made this prediction in may of last year? Amazing powers of prediction! How about gracing us with other predictions....like PT's final smash.

 

[GimmeAnFSharp]

I can't help but also find it weird that my Charizard will poop out from stamina while my opponent's Pikachu dances around it...

Good pokemon trainer? They apparently are better off on their own! XD

 

[PKnight]

that is an awesome first post PK!

Razor leaf would be a great projectile move. I can see it being a neutral B. you can hold B to release more leaves into the air, and when you let go of B, they fly forward! I can't see how Vine whip could be used to recover though... I see it being more of a side B move (with Solar Beam being a Final smash for Ivysaur)

Yeah, I'm honestly not sure how the vine would grip exactly... Just wishful thinking perhaps?

As for the final smash of PT, the two strongest opinions seem to be that each pokémon gets their own (Blast Burn/Fire Blast for Charizard, etc.), or that PT calls out some legendary.

Though the concept of a bunch of different moves are neat, I do like the idea of some big bad beast appearing. Either with a huge move of its own, or the ability to stay out (A la Giga Bowser) and wreaking some serious havoc.

Wonder if we'll be getting his Final Smash next, or if Pokémon stadium will be revealed...
Or perhaps he'll make us wait. XD
I thought for sure that when the Franklin Badge was shown, that a MOTHER character was coming up next. Ohhhh Sakurai and his curveballs.

 

[Modest_Egoist]

I would think the Final Smash would depend on the pokemon, since they are the ones that will be grabbing the Smash Ball and not the trainer. The trainer will probably see the pokemon reach its full power and call out the Final Smash move. Just a thought.

 

[PKnight]

I would think the Final Smash would depend on the pokemon, since they are the ones that will be grabbing the Smash Ball and not the trainer. The trainer will probably see the pokemon reach its full power and call out the Final Smash move. Just a thought.

That's a good point! I guess it would be kind of cruel for the Trainer to call back the pokémon that worked so hard to attain the final smash, only to be overshadowed by something more menacing.

Squirtle, "Look what I found boss!"
PT, "Good jobz!!!/1!?1RETURN!"
Squirtle, "But... can't I..."
PT, "NO. MEWTWO IS BETTAR UBAR lulzllzlzl!!1!"
Squirtle, " "

 

[dj asakura]

personally, i think the final smash will just be all 3 of the pokemon coming out and doing their strongest moves.

but i do like the idea of a legendary, i just cant quite think what legendary it would be

 

[brawlpro]

Who do you pick?
Pokemon Trainer.

Who is on the selection screen?
Pokemon Trainer.

What did Sakurai say?
" No way! The Pokémon Trainer has finally arrived. And it looks like he doesn’t do his fighting directly.

Instead, he uses the three Pokémon with him—Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard—to do the fighting for him.

Is... Is he issuing commands?!

He needs to use his three Pokémon to fight. So the only ones who fight directly are the Pokémon."

again ur kidding right...
use common fawkin sense...
your tryin to imply that red fights...

 

[GimmeAnFSharp]

The 3 major possibilities I see for final smashes are:

1. Each poke has their own, high powered attack, probably their exclusive attacks (Hydro Cannon, Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn).
2. Since most characters are invincible as it is during Final Smashes, Red would just switch out his poke for a one-shot-big-hitter... like Snorlax.
3. A lot of the Final Smashes seem to be highly controllable; so I think a fourth poke might become available to play during the final smash. Who they would use, I don't know- the most powerful legendaries are either already used (Mewtwo to an extent, Deoxys), or are/would be awkward (Lugia, Ho-Oh, Kyogre).

I think the latter would be most fun, the former the most practical, and the middle... well, the happy inbetween.

 

[brawlpro]

i'm gonna safely say that if final smashes depend on the pkmn using it, then charizard's can be seismic-toss, ending with a fire-blast.

ivysaurs can be somthin she uses with her vines, suh as lifts em up and slams em several times then ends it with iono a solarbeam

and squirtle's can be surf like it looks in the non-handheld pkmn games(where the ocean falls on you), and ends with hydro pump.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

I think when the Pokemon picks up the orb, Red returns them to their Pokeball and he brings out another Pokemon do do a Final Smash.